A basic economic question.

[Sgt Staples]

How are the 2.6 million people who are working in the jobs Obama has 'created' gonna pay for the 3.1 million more people on disability benefits that Obama created?



http://news.investors.com/article/6...ility-climbs-faster-than-jobs-under-obama.htm

Utopia, here we come.

 

[Woolleybugger]

That graph needs further explaining. The 2% job growth is a number calculated over the entire economy. The 15% growth in disability payments are likely numbers based upon a much smaller number which has expanded by 15%. My bet is that this really says:

Over 100 million people employed in 2009, roughly 2% more have jobs today or 2 million new jobs.

Over a baseline of say, 30 million SS members in 2009, we now have 15% more enrolled meaning 450,000 people.

2 million new jobs, 450k more enrollees.

Is this the right analysis showing the correct relationship between these two completely different lines?

 

[Sgt Staples]

That graph needs further explaining. The 2% job growth is a number calculated over the entire economy. The 15% growth in disability payments are likely numbers based upon a much smaller number which has expanded by 15%. My bet is that this really says:

The fact is that more people got on disability than found jobs.

If you've got evidence to the contrary, please present it.

 

[Sgt Staples]

GWBush and the repubs "created" the need for more people to go on SS Disability. seniors were hit very hard by the Great Republican Recession. many had dragged their crippled asses to their former jobs, but coming up dry on the job hunt, they had no choice but to apply for disability.....which they'd paid into their entire working lives.

Really? Guess you've got a real big problem then, because Bush ain't running and the Democrats controlled congress when the great liberal recession happened.

Guess if Obama gets reelected, which AIN't gonna happen, he'll be inheriting a mess. Po' thing.

By the way, are they still giving out free birth control pills at the Women's wing of the Democrats plantation?

 

[Lukey]

That graph needs further explaining. The 2% job growth is a number calculated over the entire economy. The 15% growth in disability payments are likely numbers based upon a much smaller number which has expanded by 15%. My bet is that this really says:

Over 100 million people employed in 2009, roughly 2% more have jobs today or 2 million new jobs.

Over a baseline of say, 30 million SS members in 2009, we now have 15% more enrolled meaning 450,000 people.

2 million new jobs, 450k more enrollees.

Is this the right analysis showing the correct relationship between these two completely different lines?

Um, wrong:

The disability ranks have outpaced job growth throughout President Obama’s recovery. While the economy has created 2.6 million jobs since June 2009, fully 3.1 million workers signed up for disability benefits.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/the-definition-of-a-failed-presidency-obama-put-more-people-on-disability-than-in-jobs/

 

[jammer]

The fact is that more people got on disability than found jobs.

If you've got evidence to the contrary, please present it.

Nope, not a fact at all, just your interpretation of a graph. Wooley showed you the error of your ways, but you're too dense to get it.

 

[Woolleybugger]

I looked at that article. Other than the term IBD estimates based upon SS and labor statistics data, I see no reference to where this data is captured or collected supporting the 3.1 million number. Disability fraud is likely rampant but do explain why this is something Obama supports or made possible. Do you have the links to the data sources?

Here is what I found:

http://www.disabilitystatistics.org/faq.cfm#Q2

Looks like disability is a term that is loosely defined and very hard to determine. Where are your facts?

Oh,here are some recent facts from SS: May 2012 numbers nationally for SS recipients:

http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/quickfacts/stat_snapshot/

I will save you the grief:

As of May 2012, there were a grand total of 8.7 million adults on SS disability representing 15.5% of the total number of people using any and all of the SS programs. I find it curious that the percentage of people using SS disability matches the socalled 15% in that IBD chart. I wonder what would happen if I looked at this same chart from January 2009.

What do you know? In 2009, there were about the same number of adults on SS disability, most of them over the age of 53. Here is your data:

http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/statcomps/di_asr/2011/index.html

You know how easy it was for me to debunk this bullshit article? Took me two google searches. What a crock of shit.

 

[Woolleybugger]

I just destroyed that graph in a post further down the thread. This is too easy.

 

[Woolleybugger]

Chirp, chirp, chirp...crickets...chirp...crickets...chirp...

 

[fairsheet]

The top-poster didn't come to his "conclusion" on his own. He was fed that "conclusion" by a source that was playing him for a godamned fool. He should be pissed at that source, for assuming him to be a godamned fool.

 

[middleview]

The democrats held a small majority as of January 2007. The recession began officially in December. Are you so stupid as to claim that the economy was doing well until the democrats took over? What, exactly, did the democrats pass in 2007 that created the recession? I have documented every single mistake that the Bush administration made from 2001 to 2008. We lost 9% of the GDP in one year. That happened because of the Bush policies...

Free birth control pills?

 

[OldGaffer]

Wingers have abandoned ship on this latest bullshit they picked up from some ignorant Winger blogger and mindlessly dumped on PJ.

 

[Sgt Staples]

You know how easy it was for me to debunk this bullshit article? Took me two google searches. What a crock of shit.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA. You just proved that the article was correct. The 3.1 million increase has all occurred under Obama. And the the government's own BLS puts the the net number of new jobs at exactly 2.6 million.

So, the fact is that more people went on disability under Obama than the total of net new jobs.

Explain to me again what you just debunked. Oh you debunked yourself.

What coating covers liberals brains that keep facts from penetrating?

 

[Woolleybugger]

I did? Where in the SS disability stats do you find that?

 

[Lukey]

I looked at that article. Other than the term IBD estimates based upon SS and labor statistics data, I see no reference to where this data is captured or collected supporting the 3.1 million number. Disability fraud is likely rampant but do explain why this is something Obama supports or made possible. Do you have the links to the data sources?

Here is what I found:

http://www.disabilitystatistics.org/faq.cfm#Q2

Looks like disability is a term that is loosely defined and very hard to determine. Where are your facts?

Oh,here are some recent facts from SS: May 2012 numbers nationally for SS recipients:

http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/quickfacts/stat_snapshot/

I will save you the grief:

As of May 2012, there were a grand total of 8.7 million adults on SS disability representing 15.5% of the total number of people using any and all of the SS programs. I find it curious that the percentage of people using SS disability matches the socalled 15% in that IBD chart. I wonder what would happen if I looked at this same chart from January 2009.

What do you know? In 2009, there were about the same number of adults on SS disability, most of them over the age of 53. Here is your data:

http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/statcomps/di_asr/2011/index.html

You know how easy it was for me to debunk this bullshit article? Took me two google searches. What a crock of shit.

Why would you only count adults? Oh, so you don't have to count all the spouses and (the 2 million) children who are also receiving benefits:

 

[degsme]

How are the 2.6 million people who are working in the jobs Obama has 'created' gonna pay for the 3.1 million more people on disability benefits that Obama created?

Meaningless question. We are in a demand slump. Unemployment is 3% higher than a solid economy would have. That's 3.3+ million more jobs that will come online as the economy recovers (assuming the GOP does not win the WH).

 

[degsme]

Really? Guess you've got a real big problem then, because Bush ain't running and the Democrats controlled congress when the great liberal recession happened.

Good luck selling this message.

1) the taxpayers don't buy it
2) its not true since the crash started in July of 2005



You can spin things anyway you want, but the crash was caused by the very deregulation you tout.

 

[degsme]

Why would you only count adults? Oh, so you don't have to count all the spouses and (the 2 million) children who are also receiving benefits:

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Well actually only the person receiveing the benefits counts. the spouses and children get them indirectly but the reality is that

The disability ranks have outpaced job growth throughout President Obama’s recovery

Is a meaningless datapoint. This recovery is mired in the Fiscal Policies the GOP set in place in 2002 (name a fiscal Policy that is CURRENTLY operative outside the FICA holiday that the Obama administration initiated).

Its in a classic Demand Trap. And we have 8% unemployment. If the economy were growing at normal Stimulus based recovery Levels (8%/yr the way it did under FDR, etc) we'd have recovered already and this datapoint wouldn't exist.