A different perspective on mental illness

[freyasman]

I tend to sympathize with people who have a head full of broken glass, but this person's perspective was an enlightening read.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/millett-no-gun-ever-killed-anyone

"When I hear the multiple reports of this catastrophe in Santa Barbara my heart swells with sorrow over the people whose lives have been irrevocably altered by the actions of this very sick young man and when I witness (and how I do identify with) the agony of his family who tried so very hard to obtain help for him; the vivid story of Elliot's mother going to the police passionately begging for help.


DO NOT start the usual vilifying of the NRA and the constant claptrap about guns. Half of the people Elliot Rodger killed last weekend were felled by the knife. What? You want to confiscate all knives? Or make people get permits to own a knife? Most of the people injured were hurt by his car. Shall we outlaw cars? Let's start thinking straight: Do you seriously want to blame the instrument for the actions of the user? We may as well blame the keyboard for the poison pen letter or the telephone for the obscene phone call or death threat!!! Make no mistake about it. It's not guns, not male chauvinism, not white male privilege or male rage. It was the deconstruction of the mental health system in our country achieved in the seventies and eighties by a mad little gang of meddlers led in their mischief by Kate Millett."

 

[gigi]

Awesome freyasman. But unfortunately, Millet won't get her wish. Plenty of people would rather use the dead bodies as a soapbox for their lobby than discuss the real issue.

 

[freyasman]

Awesome freyasman. But unfortunately, Millet won't get her wish. Plenty of people would rather use the dead bodies as a soapbox for their lobby than discuss the real issue.

It was a perspective I hadn't ever encountered before, so I found it really interesting. Glad you liked it...

 

[connieb]

I tend to sympathize with people who have a head full of broken glass, but this person's perspective was an enlightening read.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/millett-no-gun-ever-killed-anyone

"When I hear the multiple reports of this catastrophe in Santa Barbara my heart swells with sorrow over the people whose lives have been irrevocably altered by the actions of this very sick young man and when I witness (and how I do identify with) the agony of his family who tried so very hard to obtain help for him; the vivid story of Elliot's mother going to the police passionately begging for help.

DO NOT start the usual vilifying of the NRA and the constant claptrap about guns. Half of the people Elliot Rodger killed last weekend were felled by the knife. What? You want to confiscate all knives? Or make people get permits to own a knife? Most of the people injured were hurt by his car. Shall we outlaw cars? Let's start thinking straight: Do you seriously want to blame the instrument for the actions of the user? We may as well blame the keyboard for the poison pen letter or the telephone for the obscene phone call or death threat!!! Make no mistake about it. It's not guns, not male chauvinism, not white male privilege or male rage. It was the deconstruction of the mental health system in our country achieved in the seventies and eighties by a mad little gang of meddlers led in their mischief by Kate Millett."

I have never heard of Kate Millett before. Her sister sounds like she was put through hell as the younger sibling of that freak.

She is dead on though - until we take back control over our mental health system and allow families to have individuals committed when necessary and properly evaluated, we will continue to have these problems, again and again. Even with Lanza, his mother ( although extremely misguided in her actions of teaching that freak how to use weapons) was trying to also get him committed and recognized he was too far gone for her to control.

When are the rest of us going to stand up and stop allowing ourselves to be at the mercy of these freaks. And, I know this is a big issue to you Freyas.. but you know.. I don't think its the people who are F-ed up from a situational issue that are so much the problem because I think many of them know now they are F-ed up and can at least say - hey, I need some help... I am f-ed up. Its the people like Kate Millett who have spent their entire lives F-ed up and can not even comprehend how F-ed up they actually are and there fore do not even seek help but actively reject it.


connie

 

[marvin martian]

I have never heard of Kate Millett before. Her sister sounds like she was put through hell as the younger sibling of that freak.

She is dead on though - until we take back control over our mental health system and allow families to have individuals committed when necessary and properly evaluated, we will continue to have these problems, again and again. Even with Lanza, his mother ( although extremely misguided in her actions of teaching that freak how to use weapons) was trying to also get him committed and recognized he was too far gone for her to control.

When are the rest of us going to stand up and stop allowing ourselves to be at the mercy of these freaks. And, I know this is a big issue to you Freyas.. but you know.. I don't think its the people who are F-ed up from a situational issue that are so much the problem because I think many of them know now they are F-ed up and can at least say - hey, I need some help... I am f-ed up. Its the people like Kate Millett who have spent their entire lives F-ed up and can not even comprehend how F-ed up they actually are and there fore do not even seek help but actively reject it.


connie

These are valid points, but a major factor is getting the medical establishment to stop putting kids on SSRI drugs. They prescribe these dangerous psychoactive chemicals like candy, and they have been a factor in virtually every mass shooting of the last two decades, a fact the mainstream media, in their role as whores to the corporate lobbyists, will supress at all costs...

 

[connieb]

These are valid points, but a major factor is getting the medical establishment to stop putting kids on SSRI drugs. They prescribe these dangerous psychoactive chemicals like candy, and they have been a factor in virtually every mass shooting of the last two decades, a fact the mainstream media, in their role as whores to the corporate lobbyists, will supress at all costs...

The vast majority of SSRI drugs used in kids is "off label" thus they aren't supposed to be giving them to kids, period. They haven't been tested in kids to the FDA standards. It does make one wonder why they have not done so, but I think its largely because they don't want to know the answer.

The problem is - big pharma is making money hand over fist. And, there is nothing stopping this "off label" usage as long as a Doc prescribes it. And, what I think a lot of going on is that parents want to leave with a script much like you go to the Dr. and you expect to leave with an antiobiotic, has caused the over prescribing of antibiotics.... the same is happening with SSRI's. And, these things are being prescribed with little to no oversight, no counseling, etc.

connie

 

[freyasman]

The vast majority of SSRI drugs used in kids is "off label" thus they aren't supposed to be giving them to kids, period. They haven't been tested in kids to the FDA standards. It does make one wonder why they have not done so, but I think its largely because they don't want to know the answer.

The problem is - big pharma is making money hand over fist. And, there is nothing stopping this "off label" usage as long as a Doc prescribes it. And, what I think a lot of going on is that parents want to leave with a script much like you go to the Dr. and you expect to leave with an antiobiotic, has caused the over prescribing of antibiotics.... the same is happening with SSRI's. And, these things are being prescribed with little to no oversight, no counseling, etc.

connie

When my son was about 10 or so, his teachers wanted me to put him on Ritalin or something similar, but I continuously refused. They got so frustrated with my refusal, that one of them said "Why won't you just do as we say?!?!?" That inappropriate outburst led to me having a meeting with the school's administrators to ask them just what kind of fucked-up goat-roping they were running. The school retaliated by calling the MPs (it was an on-post school) and telling them I was abusing my son (because I was not following the directions of his schoolteachers: I guess that's "abuse" ), and when I went down there to confront them for that bullshit, they called my commander and got him to order me not to set foot on that campus unless I was escorted by an NCO of a higher rank. I laughed at that and told him "No...." and went straight back to that school, and pulled my son out and enrolled him in a civilian school downtown.... where he had no issues, and did great. I'm thinking the school employees, and maybe my CO, were the ones who needed to be on drugs.

 

[gigi]

When my son was about 10 or so, his teachers wanted me to put him on Ritalin or something similar, but I continuously refused. They got so frustrated with my refusal, that one of them said "Why won't you just do as we say?!?!?" That inappropriate outburst led to me having a meeting with the school's administrators to ask them just what kind of fucked-up goat-roping they were running. The school retaliated by calling the MPs (it was an on-post school) and telling them I was abusing my son (because I was not following the directions of his schoolteachers: I guess that's "abuse" ), and when I went down there to confront them for that bullshit, they called my commander and got him to order me not to set foot on that campus unless I was escorted by an NCO of a higher rank. I laughed at that and told him "No...." and went straight back to that school, and pulled my son out and enrolled him in a civilian school downtown.... where he had no issues, and did great. I'm thinking the school employees, and maybe my CO, were the ones who needed to be on drugs.

Freyasman there are so many stories like yours where school staff has pushed and bullied parents into medicating their children. And that's why school staff is no longer allowed to even suggest medication to a parent. They are not medical professionals and therefore are not qualified to recommend any medications. I'm thankful that this was brought out by brave parents and things were changed.

 

[freyasman]

Freyasman there are so many stories like yours where school staff has pushed and bullied parents into medicating their children. And that's why school staff is no longer allowed to even suggest medication to a parent. They are not medical professionals and therefore are not qualified to recommend any medications. I'm thankful that this was brought out by brave parents and things were changed.

Truth be told, I [Unwelcome language removed] hate school administrators, and teachers.... I can't help it. They used to treat me like shit when I was little, lock me in closets and shit..... I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't very biased towards these folks.

 

[connieb]

When my son was about 10 or so, his teachers wanted me to put him on Ritalin or something similar, but I continuously refused. They got so frustrated with my refusal, that one of them said "Why won't you just do as we say?!?!?" That inappropriate outburst led to me having a meeting with the school's administrators to ask them just what kind of fucked-up goat-roping they were running. The school retaliated by calling the MPs (it was an on-post school) and telling them I was abusing my son (because I was not following the directions of his schoolteachers: I guess that's "abuse" ), and when I went down there to confront them for that bullshit, they called my commander and got him to order me not to set foot on that campus unless I was escorted by an NCO of a higher rank. I laughed at that and told him "No...." and went straight back to that school, and pulled my son out and enrolled him in a civilian school downtown.... where he had no issues, and did great. I'm thinking the school employees, and maybe my CO, were the ones who needed to be on drugs.

That is the kind of situation that really ticks me off and that every parent should fear but should not tolerate. The whole do it my way, or I don't like how you are talking about me so I will retaliate crap. It happens and schools and hospitals all accross this country every day. Bow down and accept the rule fo a higher "authority" or you are abusive. What crap.

connie

 

[connieb]

Truth be told, I [Unwelcome language removed] hate school administrators, and teachers.... I can't help it. They used to treat me like shit when I was little, lock me in closets and shit..... I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't very biased towards these folks.

Ahhhhh SOOOO THAT is what happened. .......

That is really just another story of how people abuse their power and authority.

 

[freyasman]

Ahhhhh SOOOO THAT is what happened. .......

That is really just another story of how people abuse their power and authority.

Yeah, because if you have a socially inept child who keeps getting into hassles because of it, the appropriate remedy is to lock him in a storage closet all day or until he "learns how to get along with others...." I can't tell you how much a child's socials skills improve from constant, enforced, isolation followed by repeated humiliation (sarcasm).

 

[gigi]

Yeah, because if you have a socially inept child who keeps getting into hassles because of it, the appropriate remedy is to lock him in a storage closet all day or until he "learns how to get along with others...." I can't tell you how much a child's socials skills improve from constant, enforced, isolation followed by repeated humiliation (sarcasm).

When my husband was a kid he got picked on a lot and whenever he'd attempt to fight back, he'd be the one punished and lectured about "getting along with others. "

Every once in awhile you hear stories about the sort of thing that was done to you, but in present day. Teachers and admins who think they can punish a need out of a child. It's really hate based. And I don't care how much schools talk about "anti-bullying" policies. It seems the most popular remedy is to try and force the victim to change.