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Dawg said:
that's what Hillary thought in 08
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94,000,000+ out of work, you call that good

You understand that, that 94million includes retired people and students and children.

So yeah 94 million don't work but most of them don't work because they can't

'O' did NOT end Iraq....Bush signed the end before he left office

He oversaw the fulfillment of the contract. So he gets some of the credit.

'O' surged Afghan TWICE, doubled troop deaths, FYI-Afghan is not ended

But it is going to end on his watch as well.

'O' backed no one down and Syria bigger mess than before, still has chemicals and WMDs.............

It is in the works
Over half of Syria’s chemical weapons removed or destroyed, says joint OPCW-UN mission

"fate" is liberalism
 
Barbella said:
As everyone who has been here a while knows, I believe (nah, I KNOW) that 99.9% of politicians are crooked, narcissistic, selfish and self centered [Unwelcome language removed] who don't care about anything or anyone other than themselves. Sure I attack democrats, and especially liberals... because, first of all, I disagree with many of their opinions and views, but mainly because of their insistence on worshipping their government and their "leaders" to the point of bile-inducing nausea.

The point? We, The People, will continue to lose as long as we keep fighting each other, instead of fighting those who foster our division for their own gains. Do you not see how the animosity they encourage benefits THEM, and hurts US? Do you not understand how the political "elite" operate, and how cynically self-serving the whole lot of them is?

American citizens, patriots, should be able to agree to disagree, and try to work out a compromise for the good of the Nation and its people, on most issues. As long as BOTH sides are willing, that is. Life is not a "my-way-or-the-highway" path... no one can "have it all".

This, of course, is a "test". Your responses will immediately prove your patriotism, as well as your intelligence and common sense.,.

One, two, three..... GO!

:)

PS... I've actually tried this a couple of times in the past, only to get shot down every time... I don't know why I keep doing this. However... it is my firm belief that We, The People, need to "stick together" in order to survive with some semblance of dignity and freedom. Unfortunately, we certainly don't seem to be doing that....
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Barb, look at my picture on my sig line and then look at your picture on your sig line.. it speaks volumes on our viewpoints..& working together!
 
Dawg said:
explains why today we have Conservatives and Tea Party
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Yeah because you are uncompromising and want to bend the country even further to the right. I mean that is what the rank and file think they want. The tea party exists because the republican party nearly destroyed itself by supporting and following a man who was not fit to lead either their party or the country as a whole.
 
Charcat said:
Our government has not shown any sign of enacting any laws or getting rid of any "bad" laws that would help the "general public." Instead it has written law after law to diminish the prosperity of the middle class for the sake of some. My only hope is that when and if the majority of the middle class comes to their senses we will elect people that will do something about the rights of ALL Americans. I think we have to hit bottom first, and the current administration is working on it every day.
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It's easy to speak in generalities. Can we perhaps have one example of a "bad" law that disadvantages the middle class? Then we could talk about compromise and moving forward in a more serious way. Well, as serious as such talk can be on an anonymous message board. ;)

Now, I don't want to go off on a rant here, but one of the things that frustrates me about this place -- and other places like it -- is that a lot folks talk a fine game about wanting to have serious discussions, the need to elevate the level of discourse, the virtues of greater civility, and the like. Shoot, some folks practically make an online career out of admonishing others to live up to their ideals. And I'm sure most of the time most of those folks are quite sincere at the time. And yet...

We all get the discussions we want, don't we? That is to say, we all choose what we'll talk about, to whom we'll respond, in what way we'll respond, and so on. If we want serious discussion about compromise, clear-eyed talk about the best way forward, whatever, then we'll engage in that way. On the other hand, if we want to be amused by claws-out slap fests, then that's what we'll encourage. If we want to reassure ourselves that we're morally superior to and all around better than "those guys", then we'll condescend and encourage tribal hoot fests.

No offense, but I think we can all see well enough what tends to prevail in these parts -- and other places like it. Such is online life, I guess. And no, this isn't a "can't we all do better?" plea. It's just a reality check.

I think.

Cheers!
 
This is why
Barbella said:
As everyone who has been here a while knows, I believe (nah, I KNOW) that 99.9% of politicians are crooked, narcissistic, selfish and self centered [Unwelcome language removed] who don't care about anything or anyone other than themselves. Sure I attack democrats, and especially liberals... because, first of all, I disagree with many of their opinions and views, but mainly because of their insistence on worshipping their government and their "leaders" to the point of bile-inducing nausea.

The point? We, The People, will continue to lose as long as we keep fighting each other, instead of fighting those who foster our division for their own gains. Do you not see how the animosity they encourage benefits THEM, and hurts US? Do you not understand how the political "elite" operate, and how cynically self-serving the whole lot of them is?

American citizens, patriots, should be able to agree to disagree, and try to work out a compromise for the good of the Nation and its people, on most issues. As long as BOTH sides are willing, that is. Life is not a "my-way-or-the-highway" path... no one can "have it all".

This, of course, is a "test". Your responses will immediately prove your patriotism, as well as your intelligence and common sense.,.

One, two, three..... GO!

:)

PS... I've actually tried this a couple of times in the past, only to get shot down every time... I don't know why I keep doing this. However... it is my firm belief that We, The People, need to "stick together" in order to survive with some semblance of dignity and freedom. Unfortunately, we certainly don't seem to be doing that....
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That is why we need independents in Washington. Right now the party in power gets no help from the one out and when the sides are changed it remains the same. It seems that working with the other side is considered treason and you lose all of your financial backing from the party if you do so. Dems don't work with Repubs and Repubs don't work with Dems. And the real problem is that the closer we get to the next election, the worse things get. Nothing, even those things that should be easy, get done. Neither party wants to let the other "look good" right before an election. So, to correct the problem we really need about 2o truly Independent Senators and about 50 truly Independent house members that could force the two parties to compromise. It won't happen as the money goes to the two parties in power, but it is my dream.
 
IndependentinWis said:
This is why

That is why we need independents in Washington. Right now the party in power gets no help from the one out and when the sides are changed it remains the same. It seems that working with the other side is considered treason and you lose all of your financial backing from the party if you do so. Dems don't work with Repubs and Repubs don't work with Dems. And the real problem is that the closer we get to the next election, the worse things get. Nothing, even those things that should be easy, get done. Neither party wants to let the other "look good" right before an election. So, to correct the problem we really need about 2o truly Independent Senators and about 50 truly Independent house members that could force the two parties to compromise. It won't happen as the money goes to the two parties in power, but it is my dream.
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what's needed is a republican party that will put country before party.
the dems worked with Bush.
the dems worked with Reagan.
the repubs refused to work with Clinton.
the repubs refuse to work with Obama.
 
Barbella said:
As everyone who has been here a while knows, I believe (nah, I KNOW) that 99.9% of politicians are crooked, narcissistic, selfish and self centered [Unwelcome language removed] who don't care about anything or anyone other than themselves. Sure I attack democrats, and especially liberals... because, first of all, I disagree with many of their opinions and views, but mainly because of their insistence on worshipping their government and their "leaders" to the point of bile-inducing nausea.

The point? We, The People, will continue to lose as long as we keep fighting each other, instead of fighting those who foster our division for their own gains. Do you not see how the animosity they encourage benefits THEM, and hurts US? Do you not understand how the political "elite" operate, and how cynically self-serving the whole lot of them is?

American citizens, patriots, should be able to agree to disagree, and try to work out a compromise for the good of the Nation and its people, on most issues. As long as BOTH sides are willing, that is. Life is not a "my-way-or-the-highway" path... no one can "have it all".

This, of course, is a "test". Your responses will immediately prove your patriotism, as well as your intelligence and common sense.,.

One, two, three..... GO!

:)

PS... I've actually tried this a couple of times in the past, only to get shot down every time... I don't know why I keep doing this. However... it is my firm belief that We, The People, need to "stick together" in order to survive with some semblance of dignity and freedom. Unfortunately, we certainly don't seem to be doing that....
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You poor soul thinking everyone is corrupt, narcissistic and out to get you. I love my representatives ...thank god I don't have your doom and gloom and think everyone is part of some plots that only help them. How sad to live the way you do...so filled with negativity and paranoia,
 
Barbella said:
As everyone who has been here a while knows, I believe (nah, I KNOW) that 99.9% of politicians are crooked, narcissistic, selfish and self centered [Unwelcome language removed] who don't care about anything or anyone other than themselves. Sure I attack democrats, and especially liberals... because, first of all, I disagree with many of their opinions and views, but mainly because of their insistence on worshipping their government and their "leaders" to the point of bile-inducing nausea.

The point? We, The People, will continue to lose as long as we keep fighting each other, instead of fighting those who foster our division for their own gains. Do you not see how the animosity they encourage benefits THEM, and hurts US? Do you not understand how the political "elite" operate, and how cynically self-serving the whole lot of them is?

American citizens, patriots, should be able to agree to disagree, and try to work out a compromise for the good of the Nation and its people, on most issues. As long as BOTH sides are willing, that is. Life is not a "my-way-or-the-highway" path... no one can "have it all".

This, of course, is a "test". Your responses will immediately prove your patriotism, as well as your intelligence and common sense.,.

One, two, three..... GO!

:)

PS... I've actually tried this a couple of times in the past, only to get shot down every time... I don't know why I keep doing this. However... it is my firm belief that We, The People, need to "stick together" in order to survive with some semblance of dignity and freedom. Unfortunately, we certainly don't seem to be doing that....
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How pathetic. The usual haters are, predictably, stuck in their stupidity and unwillingness to bend even an iota.

Other than IndependentInWi, who at least made an attempt to have a civil discussion over this issue, and who is apparently walking through life with his eyes open.

Die-hard lefties are completely hopeless. I knew that, but every once in a while I need to assure myself that, indeed, they haven't changed.
 
Addy said:
Well, please show an instance of them working with our current President.
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Why would they? They're opposed to everything the Left wants, just as much as the Left is opposed to everything the Right wants.

Both sides are stubbornly entrenched, and neither wants to give an inch. Hence my top post.
 
Barbella said:
Why would they? They're opposed to everything the Left wants, just as much as the Left is opposed to everything the Right wants.

Both sides are stubbornly entrenched, and neither wants to give an inch. Hence my top post.
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Using sabotage and blackmail the repubs have behaved like ill mannered children losing at their favorite sport.. I would like to know what you think your pic on your sig line is implying..BTW..
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The Republican Coup of 2013
On April 7, 2009—less than three months after Barack Obama first took the oath of office—the Daily Show's Jon Stewart perfectly summed up the red-hot, right-wing rage that hasn't cooled since. "I think," Stewart explained to frothing-at-the-mouth tea party supporters, "you might be confusing tyranny with losing."

Nevertheless, just days later thousands of the GOP's furious faithful turned out for Tax Day Tea Party rallies, events funded by conservative groups like Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks and promoted by Fox News, displaying signs proclaiming "Taxed Enough Already" and "No Taxation without Representation." That was more than a little ironic. After all, President Obama and the newly elected Democratic majorities in the House and Senate had just delivered tax relief for 95 percent of working households with the largest two-year tax cut in American history. And by 2010, federal tax revenue as a percentage of the U.S. economy had plummeted to the lowest level since 1950. So much for the need to water the Tree of Liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

But four-plus years later, the Republicans' scorched-earth strategy is no laughing matter. After spending most of his first term demonizing Barack Obama, conservatives are hell-bent on erasing his agenda reaffirmed by the American people less than a year ago. And as the events of the last few weeks show, many Republicans are more than willing to shutter the U.S. government and destroy the American economy to do it.
 
Addy said:
Using sabotage and blackmail the repubs have behaved like ill mannered children losing at their favorite sport.. I would like to know what you think your pic on your sig line is implying..BTW..
______________

The Republican Coup of 2013
On April 7, 2009—less than three months after Barack Obama first took the oath of office—the Daily Show's Jon Stewart perfectly summed up the red-hot, right-wing rage that hasn't cooled since. "I think," Stewart explained to frothing-at-the-mouth tea party supporters, "you might be confusing tyranny with losing."

Nevertheless, just days later thousands of the GOP's furious faithful turned out for Tax Day Tea Party rallies, events funded by conservative groups like Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks and promoted by Fox News, displaying signs proclaiming "Taxed Enough Already" and "No Taxation without Representation." That was more than a little ironic. After all, President Obama and the newly elected Democratic majorities in the House and Senate had just delivered tax relief for 95 percent of working households with the largest two-year tax cut in American history. And by 2010, federal tax revenue as a percentage of the U.S. economy had plummeted to the lowest level since 1950. So much for the need to water the Tree of Liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

But four-plus years later, the Republicans' scorched-earth strategy is no laughing matter. After spending most of his first term demonizing Barack Obama, conservatives are hell-bent on erasing his agenda reaffirmed by the American people less than a year ago. And as the events of the last few weeks show, many Republicans are more than willing to shutter the U.S. government and destroy the American economy to do it.
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You're quoting me an OPINION piece of Daily Kos' John Perr as gospel truth? LOL. As for the picture on my sig line... draw your own conclusions. Lefties always do, anyway, so why change now?
 
Addy said:
Using sabotage and blackmail the repubs have behaved like ill mannered children losing at their favorite sport.. I would like to know what you think your pic on your sig line is implying..BTW..
______________

The Republican Coup of 2013
On April 7, 2009—less than three months after Barack Obama first took the oath of office—the Daily Show's Jon Stewart perfectly summed up the red-hot, right-wing rage that hasn't cooled since. "I think," Stewart explained to frothing-at-the-mouth tea party supporters, "you might be confusing tyranny with losing."

Nevertheless, just days later thousands of the GOP's furious faithful turned out for Tax Day Tea Party rallies, events funded by conservative groups like Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks and promoted by Fox News, displaying signs proclaiming "Taxed Enough Already" and "No Taxation without Representation." That was more than a little ironic. After all, President Obama and the newly elected Democratic majorities in the House and Senate had just delivered tax relief for 95 percent of working households with the largest two-year tax cut in American history. And by 2010, federal tax revenue as a percentage of the U.S. economy had plummeted to the lowest level since 1950. So much for the need to water the Tree of Liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

But four-plus years later, the Republicans' scorched-earth strategy is no laughing matter. After spending most of his first term demonizing Barack Obama, conservatives are hell-bent on erasing his agenda reaffirmed by the American people less than a year ago. And as the events of the last few weeks show, many Republicans are more than willing to shutter the U.S. government and destroy the American economy to do it.
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Nothing amazes me more than the fact that a rather large segment of liberals get their news from comedians.

It really says something about the state of the populous.
 
Renee said:
You poor soul thinking everyone is corrupt, narcissistic and out to get you. I love my representatives ...thank god I don't have your doom and gloom and think everyone is part of some plots that only help them. How sad to live the way you do...so filled with negativity and paranoia,
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Do you love them for the color of their skin or their actual abilities and integrity?
 
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