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A World Without Work

They are working up to War ---- and less people.
No need for war when the CDC can simply release a virulent strain of flu with a 50% mortality rate. Given the nature of global transportation, it would be global in days. ;)

Put that in your CT pipe and smoke it, sweetie.
 
No need for war when the CDC can simply release a virulent strain of flu with a 50% mortality rate. Given the nature of global transportation, it would be global in days. ;)

Put that in your CT pipe and smoke it, sweetie.

War makes them rich.

Richer
 
You're lying again, Leroy. What a bullshit artist teacher you must be.

Oh? Did I somehow misinterpret your previous remark?

Max: What are the 20% going to do about it? Say "Let them eat cake?"

I'd happily go into the "Star Trek universe", but there are certain requirements to make it work. I've posted on this before. Do you recall what some of those requirements are? Hint: It doesn't involve rainbows and/or unicorns.

Sorry, I have not seen your posts on this topic. Perhaps they were before my somewhat recent return to Political Jack. I DO think a Star Trek like universe is possible for the human race, but only if we really want it, and are willing to work towards it.
 
I say it as I see it --- In your case I just occasionally give you a wee taste of your own medicine --- If you think I have been unfair to you, I can only reply that I have been more than temperate in my words to you. I might have been kind as a child but I never could see another person being bullied without stepping in - as I see you doing, bullying others, all of the time. And it is an odd thing how bullies, when faced up too, cry 'you hurt my feelings' so easily.

Nope - I say what I mean and I mean what I say. I do not speak or write in code.
Of course you do, Titania. My point is that you are viewing the world through a toilet paper tube.

Looking_thru_tube.jpg
 
idle time is associated with criminal activity, even if "basic human needs" are provided for.

this has been demonstrated over and over, not just in welfare families in the inner cities, but also the affluent muslims who flock to join terrorist movements; teens who commit crimes during summer vacation ("hands up - don't shoot - I just robbed the mini mart")

There is probably some truth to this. But crime will become increasingly more difficult in the future. There will be cameras EVERYWHERE.
 
War makes them rich.

Richer
War is also chaotic and destructive. A flu epidemic is much more controllable and leaves the infrastructure intact leaving a lot of assets up for grab either for free or pennies on the dollar.

Try taking a bigger world view, dear.
 
War is also chaotic and destructive. A flu epidemic is much more controllable and leaves the infrastructure intact leaving a lot of assets up for grab either for free or pennies on the dollar.

It won't make 'em rich. They can't take taxes from dead people. Out of illness - they prolong them to get as much money out of us as they kill us slowly but surely -

Flu is a man made illness- vaccine related.

They love destruction and chaos! lol were have you been --- ah navel gazing, I forgot.
 
idle time is associated with criminal activity, even if "basic human needs" are provided for.

this has been demonstrated over and over, not just in welfare families in the inner cities, but also the affluent muslims who flock to join terrorist movements; teens who commit crimes during summer vacation ("hands up - don't shoot - I just robbed the mini mart")

Ever notice how in poor neighborhoods, people are just sitting around outside? I think there is some sort of connection and/or correlation with that fact and what you posted.
 
Ever notice how in poor neighborhoods, people are just sitting around outside? I think there is some sort of connection and/or correlation with that fact and what you posted.

Poor urban districts - you won't find that so much in true rural districts. I live in the country with no shops - I rarely go shopping. I do not have a TV, so see few adverts. I am poor by most standards, at the moment, but perfectly content - if I saw 'things' all of the time I know even I would become discontent.

Living squished in between areas of affluence when living yourself in poverty is pure torture - especially when there is nothing to do and nowhere to do it if you wanted too.
 
Poor urban districts - you won't find that so much in true rural districts. I live in the country with no shops - I rarely go shopping. I do not have a TV, so see few adverts. I am poor by most standards, at the moment, but perfectly content - if I saw 'things' all of the time I know even I would become discontent.

Living squished in between areas of affluence when living yourself in poverty is pure torture - especially when there is nothing to do and nowhere to do it if you wanted too.

There's no question the country is a better place to be "poor".
 
It won't make 'em rich. They can't take taxes from dead people. Out of illness - they prolong them to get as much money out of us as they kill us slowly but surely -

Flu is a man made illness- vaccine related.

They love destruction and chaos! lol were have you been --- ah navel gazing, I forgot.
You're looking through that paper tube again, dear. Of course it'll make them rich.

Example: Would you rather inherit a block worth of burned out homes or a block of fine, pristine homes? Which is worth more?

Despite your flawed assertion about the Flu, that only reinforces my scenario.

I thought they loved money. Are you backpedaling because I'm kicking your British ass like Washington kicked Cornwallis' at Yorktown?

Surrender_of_Lord_Cornwallis.jpg
 
Influenza existed LONG before vaccines were ever invented.....
Agreed, but remember who you are talking to. ;)

Neutron bombs would do the same thing. But we couldn't pass that off as being 'accidental'.
Agreed...nor "natural".

Just so we're clear, I doubt we'll see such a scenario. I was simply throwing some cold water on the CT theories about a Forever War orchestrated by the Joooos.
 
There's no question the country is a better place to be "poor".

I have been poor in both, and well off in both. ( tapestry of life ;)) I find that when one has money and lives in the country one will still yearn after things and go out of the way to buy them. If poor you quite happily make do. Even in London poverty in some areas is more comfortable than in others. But yup, on the whole I agree --- Unless young and yearning for adventure, then the country is a tedious frustration.
 
You're looking through that paper tube again, dear. Of course it'll make them rich.

Example: Would you rather inherit a block worth of burned out homes or a block of fine, pristine homes? Which is worth more?

Despite your flawed assertion about the Flu, that only reinforces my scenario.

I thought they loved money. Are you backpedaling because I'm kicking your British ass like Washington kicked Cornwallis' at Yorktown?

Surrender_of_Lord_Cornwallis.jpg

Ummm. Wake up you are dreaming!
 
Oh? Did I somehow misinterpret your previous remark?

Max: What are the 20% going to do about it? Say "Let them eat cake?"



Sorry, I have not seen your posts on this topic. Perhaps they were before my somewhat recent return to Political Jack. I DO think a Star Trek like universe is possible for the human race, but only if we really want it, and are willing to work towards it.
Yes. You didn't see it was a question versus a flat statement as you asserted.

As for Star Trek economy, I responded to you in a previous thread covering similar subjects. You didn't reply:
Understood how it would take time. Again, who will be buying the widgets? Who will be paying for the manufacture of widgets?

While I like the idea of a "Star Trek economy", the fact remains that can't happen in a world of limited resources. Only when resources become unlimited, such as mining the Asteroid Belt, and technology allows energy-matter-energy conversion such as fusion and "replicators" will such an economy be allowed to sustain itself.
A nice fantasy. How does that negate or add to my comment that it isn't possible to have a "Star Trek economy" until our tech develops to the point where we have both unlimited resources and unlimited means to provide everything a person needs?

Even in Star Trek there was "Left" vs "Right", Idealism vs Logic. Kirk was the mediator between Spock's realism vs McCoy's idealism.

I'd love to save all the puppies and kittens of the world, but without unlimited resources, that isn't possible. A realistic solution is to work toward sterilizing cats and dogs thus preventing the problem from happening or, at least, reducing the problem to a more manageable size rather than gassing 2.7 million of them every year.

Human beings are obviously different from pets since the same "final solution" for problems can't (or shouldn't) be used and, more importantly, they have free will. Dictating to them like we do pets isn't human nor humane.

Even so, it still boils down to resources. It's Lifeboat ethics. If you are in a lifeboat with 20 people but have provisions and space for 10 more without swamping the boat and there are 50 swimmers in the water, what do you do? Drown everyone or save 30 and let the other 40 drown?
 
Vitimin D

Ah. Before you edited your remark, you were asking me to "Prove it". Proof is difficult to come by in such cases, but there is a WEALTH of evidence that influenza pandemics have been with us for a LONG time:

The symptoms of human influenza were clearly described by Hippocrates roughly 2,400 years ago.[164][165] Although the virus seems to have caused epidemics throughout human history, historical data on influenza are difficult to interpret, because the symptoms can be similar to those of other respiratory diseases.[166][167] The disease may have spread from Europe to the Americas as early as the European colonization of the Americas; since almost the entire indigenous population of the Antilles was killed by an epidemic resembling influenza that broke out in 1493, after the arrival of Christopher Columbus.[168][169]

The first convincing record of an influenza pandemic was of an outbreak in 1580, which began in Russia and spread to Europe via Africa. In Rome, over 8,000 people were killed, and several Spanish cities were almost wiped out. Pandemics continued sporadically throughout the 17th and 18th centuries, with the pandemic of 1830–1833 being particularly widespread; it infected approximately a quarter of the people exposed.

LeRoy: Except for that last pandemic, all of these took place long before the invention of vaccines in the late 18th century. I would also recommend reading Plagues and Peoples by the eminent University of Chicago historian William McNeil. It is, I think, the best of several books on the history of plagues and epidemics that have had an outsized effect on history.....
 
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