About them doggone drones.

[JackDallas]

I have no problem with drones as a technology. I do have a problem with the notion that we have a national dictator who has the unilateral authority to kill anyone he wants, anywhere he wants, without any meaningful checks and balances, without any standards but those he invents himself, in secret, merely by citing the "war on terror." Whether he has people killed with state-of-the-art unmanned drones or with primitive clubs, doesn't really matter. The technology isn't the problem, the unfettered discretion is. That is what makes it extra-legal. And "deliberate extra-legal killing" is just a nice way to say "murder."

I don't think drones are the weapon of choice in Obama's war on the American people. He has destroyed the economy, business and the lives of many by taking away their means to earn a living. For many a drone strike would be more humane.

 

[Queen Titania]

Gramps fought for your right to be a piece of shit.

http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1002



http://library.thinkquest.org/C0111500/ww2/american/amerprop.htm


http://www.greatdreams.com/veterans.htm


Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks
You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy

[video=youtube_share;2q4LvC0ipVo]http://youtu.be/2q4LvC0ipVo[/video]

“The greatest crime since World War II has been U.S. foreign policy.”
— Ramsey Clark
former U.S. Attorney General

 

[middleview]

We were healthier after the War than we had been before it

http://www.cooksinfo.com/british-wartime-food

At the point in the War, when the US was asked in, Churchill had a chance of making terms for peace with Germany. We may never know why an old War Horse did not choose Peace, was it Pride ? Money ? Or just the fun of the chase ? We can only surmise, but he lost the British Empire in choosing War over Peace and turn loose on the World a devastation which is an unquenchable monster, the machine which is 'insidious' cruel and brutal The Corperate American Empire. And also left the brutalities of what has been falsely named 'Communism' in the game un challenged, its people hopelessly cut off. Splitting the World in two in an imagined 'Cold War' giving the bastard Arms Barons unlimited Power to destroy and carry on destroying our beauty, forever and ever Amen. The Devil rules ..................... it has swallowed Americas soul completely. And you love it ?

The entire idea that Churchill should have made terms with Hitler and the world would have been a better place is absolutely balmy. Even in your own links the supposition is that war would have continued between Russia and Germany and nowhere do you address the fate of the population of occupied Europe. Do you suppose that any Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, Mennonites....would have survived? The Germans looted the occupied countries. Rickets was common among Dutch children. Starvation was common as the occupying army confiscated everything and anything of value.

"The US was asked in"? curious turn of a phrased. I'd suggest the Brits begged for help would be more accurate.

So Britain would have kept the empire if only they'd have surrendered? I'm sure that India would still be a colony....yeah, that is highly likely. So given your enlightned opinions...just how do you justify colonies?

 

[middleview]

I should tell a bit about 911. I worked for a company that had direct dealings with Cantor Fitzgerald. Our customer service people were on the phone with their support people because our computer systems had lost contact with theirs after the first plane hit. They didn't know what had happened and it had not made the news for a few more minutes. So just how did the CIA manage to pull that off? How did they have someone imitating our contacts and working with us to re-establish our system connections....all just to fool us? What happened to those people? There were over 600 Cantor employees there. Did the CIA give them all new identities and put them in the witness protection program or did our own government just kill those 3,000 people?

 

[Queen Titania]

The entire idea that Churchill should have made terms with Hitler and the world would have been a better place is absolutely balmy. Even in your own links the supposition is that war would have continued between Russia and Germany and nowhere do you address the fate of the population of occupied Europe. Do you suppose that any Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, Mennonites....would have survived? The Germans looted the occupied countries. Rickets was common among Dutch children. Starvation was common as the occupying army confiscated everything and anything of value.

"The US was asked in"? curious turn of a phrased. I'd suggest the Brits begged for help would be more accurate.

So Britain would have kept the empire if only they'd have surrendered? I'm sure that India would still be a colony....yeah, that is highly likely. So given your enlightned opinions...just how do you justify colonies?

I have put forward a different thinking and your argument is too keep telling me what you think I think.

Since when did any leader give a shit about millions of dead in War ?


Keep on glorifying it and our children will keep dying in them for The Powers behind The hollow Puppet who sits on the Throne in the WH.

 

[Queen Titania]

I should tell a bit about 911. I worked for a company that had direct dealings with Cantor Fitzgerald. Our customer service people were on the phone with their support people because our computer systems had lost contact with theirs after the first plane hit. They didn't know what had happened and it had not made the news for a few more minutes. So just how did the CIA manage to pull that off? How did they have someone imitating our contacts and working with us to re-establish our system connections....all just to fool us? What happened to those people? There were over 600 Cantor employees there. Did the CIA give them all new identities and put them in the witness protection program or did our own government just kill those 3,000 people?

I have not and shall not tell of my personal connections and knowledge of 9/11, which are very real and what difference anyway. The Powers that Be do not respect life.

 

[JackDallas]

Churchill, unlike Chamberlain, refused to agree to a Pax Germania; and it's fortunate for you foks that he did.
And the US was not ASKED into the war. Germany declared war on us after we declared war on Japan after Pearl Harbor.

The entire idea that Churchill should have made terms with Hitler and the world would have been a better place is absolutely balmy. Even in your own links the supposition is that war would have continued between Russia and Germany and nowhere do you address the fate of the population of occupied Europe. Do you suppose that any Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, Mennonites....would have survived? The Germans looted the occupied countries. Rickets was common among Dutch children. Starvation was common as the occupying army confiscated everything and anything of value.

"The US was asked in"? curious turn of a phrased. I'd suggest the Brits begged for help would be more accurate.

So Britain would have kept the empire if only they'd have surrendered? I'm sure that India would still be a colony....yeah, that is highly likely. So given your enlightned opinions...just how do you justify colonies?

 

[middleview]

Yes, you put forward the thought that the world would be a better place if Churchill had made peace with Hitler. It is preposterous. You ignore that Hitler's armies occupied most of Europe. You also seem to think it would have been ok if the war had continued with the Russians and Germans fighting themselves into mutual destruction. At least that was the concept advanced in the link you posted.

 

[middleview]

Churchill, unlike Chamberlain, refused to agree to a Pax Germania; and it's fortunate for you foks that he did.
And the US was not ASKED into the war. Germany declared war on us after we declared war on Japan after Pearl Harbor.

Oh, you call it a declaration of war, but Queenie was there and Adolf actually said "Herr Roosevelt, if you aren't busy, would you care to join the war?"

 

[Queen Titania]

Churchill, unlike Chamberlain, refused to agree to a Pax Germania; and it's fortunate for you foks that he did.
And the US was not ASKED into the war. Germany declared war on us after we declared war on Japan after Pearl Harbor.

Is it ? But it doesn't matter to you ...........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill,_Hitler_and_the_Unnecessary_War

http://blog.mpl.org/mke_reads/2010/06/winston_churchill_the_flawed_g.html


http://www.la-articles.org.uk/win.htm


mmmmm yes but ................''He ( Hitler )accused President Roosevelt of waging a campaign against Germany since 1937, blamed him for the outbreak of war in 1939 and said he was planning to invade Germany in 1943.''

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/11/newsid_3532000/3532401.stm

 

[Queen Titania]

Oh, you call it a declaration of war, but Queenie was there and Adolf actually said "Herr Roosevelt, if you aren't busy, would you care to join the war?"

So there was no fault in so many deaths ? That War kills the best of,and in even those of us that survive, does not matter ? So no faults means what ? We carry on warring ...........NO I do not agree.

WWI and WWII could have been avoided and should not have been. How do we avoid War ? Possibly by looking back to see where we went and are going wrong ...............

 

[Queen Titania]

Oh, you call it a declaration of war, but Queenie was there and Adolf actually said "Herr Roosevelt, if you aren't busy, would you care to join the war?"

Tell me about your experiences playing on bomb sites in your childhood and I will tell you about mine ................

 

[middleview]

So there was no fault in so many deaths ? That War kills the best of,and in even those of us that survive, does not matter ? So no faults means what ? We carry on warring ...........NO I do not agree.

WWI and WWII could have been avoided and should not have been. How do we avoid War ? Possibly by looking back to see where we went and are going wrong ...............

There absolutely was blame. Germany invaded Poland in 1939, after having threatened all of Europe with war and focing Prague into giving up half and then all of the country. Was war inevitable? Yes. If the US had been prepared and gotten involved immediately in 1939 the war wouldn't have taken nearly as long.

 

[middleview]

Tell me about your experiences playing on bomb sites in your childhood and I will tell you about mine ................

Which would give you some insight into what the world would have been like if Hitler had stayed in control of Europe?

By the way....how much of that bomb damage was from American bombers?

 

[Queen Titania]

Which would give you some insight into what the world would have been like if Hitler had stayed in control of Europe?

By the way....how much of that bomb damage was from American bombers?

It's all in your head isn't it ? No heart. Just a very spiteful, arrogant, righteously pompous nationalistic false pride ..it is empty middleveiw, it isn't real, there is nothing there. Empty.

 

[JackDallas]

So there was no fault in so many deaths ? That War kills the best of,and in even those of us that survive, does not matter ? So no faults means what ? We carry on warring ...........NO I do not agree.

WWI and WWII could have been avoided and should not have been. How do we avoid War ? Possibly by looking back to see where we went and are going wrong ...............

Any war can be avoided if one side surrenders and agrees to become the other side's slaves.