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Alex Wise

Spamature

President
Biden is not "solving the problem", Biden wants to codify abuse of the system. Asylum isn't for just anyone who doesn't like their lot in life. Asylum has very specific rules and circumstances. What Biden wants are more judges to process more asylum claims. He doesn't want to follow the law, he want's to abuse it.

In the meantime, most of these illegals that Biden is trafficking don't even show up for their hearings when they do get one.
Nope.

This bill closes the loophole in the asylum law. It puts asylum claims in the hand of Homeland Security instead of the courts. No years of waiting for a court date. Illegal get toss out as fast as 15 days under the bill. The GOP is literally blocking the only legislation that could get 60 votes and fix the problem.

I am not a Trump voter. Him simply lying to me will not cause me to ignore facts and evidence. Yet you are here, desperately clinging to a lie purely to avoid holding Trump and the GOPers accountable, even though the evidence is clear that they are.

Double Deplorable
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Biden is not "solving the problem", Biden wants to codify abuse of the system. Asylum isn't for just anyone who doesn't like their lot in life. Asylum has very specific rules and circumstances. What Biden wants are more judges to process more asylum claims. He doesn't want to follow the law, he want's to abuse it.

In the meantime, most of these illegals that Biden is trafficking don't even show up for their hearings when they do get one.
The bill created by democrats and republicans was a path to improve the asylum process. It would have eliminated those who wanted to come here for economic reasons...it would have created more positions to hear the claims. Why did republicans prevent that bill from providing more border patrol agents and more asylum judges?

Here is the law....read it so you at least know what you are talking about.
8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
That does seem apparent.

Biden and his cheerleader squad seem to believe everything is great, and they've done an awesome job.

As for Alex Wise, Laken Riley, etc., they pretend not to notice. They do not care.
Why didn't Trump close the border? His use of Title 42 was a temporary fix...put someone on the list for an asylum hearing years from now and send them back to Mexico to wait...but eventually the government has to provide a hearing.

His wall is falling apart and Mexico never sent that check to pay for it...Trump had to take money from DoD....and the Title 42 plan stayed in effect until 2022.

Were you thinking there were no instances of illegal immigrants going over, under or through Trump's wall and not being captured?

There are certainly others who have crossed the border by evading the authorities. DHS estimated there were 660,000 “gotaways,” or unlawful entries, in fiscal 2021. The agency would not provide an updated estimate. However, a DHS spokesperson told us: “Under this Administration, the estimated annual apprehension rate has averaged 78%, identical to the rate of the prior Administration.” That rate would support a gotaway figure of 1.6 million from February 2021 through October.

Breaking Down the Immigration Figures - FactCheck.org
 
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RickWA

Snagglesooth
Biden is not "solving the problem", Biden wants to codify abuse of the system. Asylum isn't for just anyone who doesn't like their lot in life. Asylum has very specific rules and circumstances. What Biden wants are more judges to process more asylum claims. He doesn't want to follow the law, he want's to abuse it.

In the meantime, most of these illegals that Biden is trafficking don't even show up for their hearings when they do get one.
Yep. These asylum seekers PASSED THRU other countries en route to the USA that could have fulfilled the “asylum requirement”. That effectively absolves the USA. But liars will conceal this. Further, “Remain in Mexico” precluded asylum seekers from making the claim on OUR side of the border. Biden repealed that day one. But liars will conceal this.

Leftyfilth isn’t worth arguing with because they do nothing but lie.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
Yep. These asylum seekers PASSED THRU other countries en route to the USA that could have fulfilled the “asylum requirement”. That effectively absolves the USA. But liars will conceal this. Further, “Remain in Mexico” precluded asylum seekers from making the claim on OUR side of the border. Biden repealed that day one. But liars will conceal this.

Leftyfilth isn’t worth arguing with because they do nothing but lie.
Why lie? Remain in Mexico was implemented in January 2019. It was repeatedly struck down in the courts and then allowed to remain in effect until all the legal challenges and appeals had been heard. It was initially struck down on March 4th, 2020.
The Supreme Court issued a stay and allow Trump to resume the stay in mexico program.

Biden halted the process in February 2021...not day one. After negotiations with Mexico the program was resumed in December. In June of 2022 the Supreme court ruled that the administration had the authority to end the program. In December 2022 Judge Kacsmaryk ruled it should continue until all court cases had been decided...In February 2023 the Mexican Ministry of foreign affairs announced it would reject reinstatement of the process....it isn't as simple as you think....

Then there was Title 42 which was in effect from March 2020 until April 2022.
You ignore the actual legislation about asylum. Try reading it.

I posted the asylum law...clearly you didn't read it.

(a)Authority to apply for asylum
(1)In general
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.


Read this section on page 5.
What Happens to Asylum Seekers While Their Application Is Processed

asylum_in_united_states_update_jan_2024.pdf (americanimmigrationcouncil.org)
 
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middleview

President
Supporting Member
No, it doesn't. Only that they get to come in once granted asylum. None of these people have been granted asylum. Claiming asylum doesn't automatically grant asylum.
I have posted what the law says (#70)...pulling your opinion out of thin air doesn't help.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
LOL so 'screw the law, we don't like it. Make new law and maybe we'll follow it.'
The law says that a person standing on US soil may request asylum. If the request isn't rejected immediately (rare) then they are permitted to stay in the US to await an immigration hearing. The US DoJ may decide to detain them or release them to await their hearing.
 

Boca

Governor
Biden doesn't need legislation, the constitution allows him to close the border. Biden also could have left the 96 Trump era orders in place and kept them in Mexico. Biden could put a stop to this today. Instead, he's flying them over from other countries on the tax payer's dime.
forget
pools and odds The Democrats have been after Trump since 2016 and they will not stop no matter. what and I mean what!~ evenif Hillary gets the nod
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
forget
pools and odds The Democrats have been after Trump since 2016 and they will not stop no matter. what and I mean what!~ evenif Hillary gets the nod
Maybe Trump should try to avoid breaking the law....
 

Spamature

President
Biden is not "solving the problem", Biden wants to codify abuse of the system. Asylum isn't for just anyone who doesn't like their lot in life. Asylum has very specific rules and circumstances. What Biden wants are more judges to process more asylum claims. He doesn't want to follow the law, he want's to abuse it.

In the meantime, most of these illegals that Biden is trafficking don't even show up for their hearings when they do get one.
They are exploiting a loophole you GOPers refuse to close. You can say what ever you like, but that person still gets their day in court as a right in this country.

You're whining about them cheating while you keep the door open for them to cheat. There is no excuse for what the GOP is doing. You are the party of open borders, period.
 

Colorforms

Senator
They are exploiting a loophole you GOPers refuse to close. You can say what ever you like, but that person still gets their day in court as a right in this country.

You're whining about them cheating while you keep the door open for them to cheat. There is no excuse for what the GOP is doing. You are the party of open borders, period.
It's not a loophole. The Biden administration is ignoring the law.

And the only one whining here is you. :)
 

Spamature

President
It's not a loophole. The Biden administration is ignoring the law.

And the only one whining here is you. :)
The law:


8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum

(a) Authority to apply for asylum
(1) In general
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.



The US does not have a 3rd safe country agreement with Mexico.

Since Mexico itself produces refugees, it does not qualify as a safe 3rd country.

Your problem is the same as always.
You are being taken for chumps and suckers, as you take as gospel Trump's lies when he lies to you. He tells you his lies, and you marks never even check to see if a known liar is lying to you again.
 

Colorforms

Senator
The law:


8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum

(a) Authority to apply for asylum
(1) In general
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.



The US does not have a 3rd safe country agreement with Mexico.

Since Mexico itself produces refugees, it does not qualify as a safe 3rd country.

Your problem is the same as always.
You are being taken for chumps and suckers, as you take as gospel Trump's lies when he lies to you. He tells you his lies, and you marks never even check to see if a known liar is lying to you again.
You do realize that embassies and vessels count as American territory, and there is no obligation on our part to allow them asylum.

Refugee Eligibility Determination | USCIS

#4 is the sticking point since these people, by law, are not supposed to be here.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
You do realize that embassies and vessels count as American territory, and there is no obligation on our part to allow them asylum.

Refugee Eligibility Determination | USCIS

#4 is the sticking point since these people, by law, are not supposed to be here.
What makes them inadmissible? "Not supposed to be here"? Bogus interpretation of the law...the are eligible in most cases....but should be denied if they are here solely for economic reasons. The republicans should have passed the bill.
  • qualified under a designated processing priority.
  • meets the definition of a refugee.
  • is not firmly resettled in a third country.
  • is otherwise admissible under U.S. law.
The law makes it an obligation for us to consider asylum for those fleeing oppression and violence.
 

Jack4freedom

Governor
Yep. These asylum seekers PASSED THRU other countries en route to the USA that could have fulfilled the “asylum requirement”. That effectively absolves the USA. But liars will conceal this. Further, “Remain in Mexico” precluded asylum seekers from making the claim on OUR side of the border. Biden repealed that day one. But liars will conceal this.

Leftyfilth isn’t worth arguing with because they do nothing but lie.
And rightyfilth are paragons of truth….
 
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