Another dig for Hoffa

[Wahbooz]

The FBI have been digging once again, this time in Oakland Township, with a tip on where Jimmy Hoffa is buried. This new dig is based on a tip from former crime boss Tony Zerilli. For those who don't know, Hoffa was at the Machus Red Fox, in Bloomfield Hills. Hoffa had told his wife that he was meeting Giacolone, and some 'business associates, for a sit down. Hoffa wanted to gain control of the Teamsters again, but 'Tony' Provenzano was the head of the union. 'Tony' Giacolone wanted to resolve isses between the two men. It is believed Mafia heads 'Tony' and 'Billy' Giacalone, 'Tony' Provenzano, 'Pete' Vitale, Jimmy Quasarano, and others were there.Hoffa did not return from that meeting.

His car was found still in the Red Fox parking lot.

Every three years a new tip comes out where he is buried, so along comes Zerilli.

Could the Mafia be playing games with the FBI?

 

[JackDallas]

The FBI have been digging once again, this time in Oakland Township, with a tip on where Jimmy Hoffa is buried. This new dig is based on a tip from former crime boss Tony Zerilli. For those who don't know, Hoffa was at the Machus Red Fox, in Bloomfield Hills. Hoffa had told his wife that he was meeting Giacolone, and some 'business associates, for a sit down. Hoffa wanted to gain control of the Teamsters again, but 'Tony' Provenzano was the head of the union. 'Tony' Giacolone wanted to resolve isses between the two men. It is believed Mafia heads 'Tony' and 'Billy' Giacalone, 'Tony' Provenzano, 'Pete' Vitale, Jimmy Quasarano, and others were there.Hoffa did not return from that meeting.

His car was found still in the Red Fox parking lot.

Every three years a new tip comes out where he is buried, so along comes Zerilli.

Could the Mafia be playing games with the FBI?

The good news is that, if and when they do find Hoffa, the piece of shit will still be dead.

 

[Minotaur]

I believe Hoffa ran away with Carmen Sandiego.

 

[as seen on tv]

yesterday some website was featuring the tweet of a taxpayer, who objected to decades of government expense in this search for hoffa's body.

i can only agree. whoever killed him is probably dead by now as well.

let the media pay for the next 10 excavations, since they're making money off broadcasting them. they can turn it into a reality show like the search for bigfoot.

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

yesterday some website was featuring the tweet of a taxpayer, who objected to decades of government expense in this search for hoffa's body.

i can only agree. whoever killed him is probably dead by now as well.

let the media pay for the next 10 excavations, since they're making money off broadcasting them. they can turn it into a reality show like the search for bigfoot.

I want the government to search for Bigfoot. Bigfoot abducted Elvis! And killed JFK!!

 

[Wahbooz]

The good news is that, if and when they do find Hoffa, the piece of shit will still be dead.

When some archaeologist digs you up, you know what?, Jocko You'll still be a dead piece of shit. Isn't that interesting?

 

[Wahbooz]

I believe Hoffa ran away with Carmen Sandiego.

Neat trick, since he disappeared long before she came on the scene. Maybe he used that gubmint time machine.

 

[Wahbooz]

yesterday some website was featuring the tweet of a taxpayer, who objected to decades of government expense in this search for hoffa's body.

i can only agree. whoever killed him is probably dead by now as well.

let the media pay for the next 10 excavations, since they're making money off broadcasting them. they can turn it into a reality show like the search for bigfoot.

When FBI agents are on the job anyway, how does it cost the taxpayers for them being there? They don't get paid one salary in the office, and another on the dig. Think about it, they're already getting paid for their time. It's simply a cost accounting process, within government you do cost reports.

The only cost incurred would be rental of a backhoe, if they don't already have access to that.

 

[Minotaur]

Neat trick, since he disappeared long before she came on the scene. Maybe he used that gubmint time machine.

Yes he did plus he had the benefit of gubbament mind reading to know she would eventually run away.

 

[wookie-leeks]

I doubt seriously he was buried. Try chemical dissolution. His car was probably crushed and melted down.

Hell they could have chopped him up and incorporated him into a hot dog mix for all we know.


So by this time he has already been recycled through the food chain several times.



I've been doing a little JFK research, and I was surprised to find out Sam Giancana one the mobsters that did business with the CIA and was sharing Judith Campbell's snapper with JFK and Johny Roselli was whacked just prior to his scheduled testimony before the Warren Commission.

He had been shot once in the back of the head, rolled over and then shot several times in the face.

That was 1975 if I'm not mistaken.

 

[connieb]

The FBI have been digging once again, this time in Oakland Township, with a tip on where Jimmy Hoffa is buried. This new dig is based on a tip from former crime boss Tony Zerilli. For those who don't know, Hoffa was at the Machus Red Fox, in Bloomfield Hills. Hoffa had told his wife that he was meeting Giacolone, and some 'business associates, for a sit down. Hoffa wanted to gain control of the Teamsters again, but 'Tony' Provenzano was the head of the union. 'Tony' Giacolone wanted to resolve isses between the two men. It is believed Mafia heads 'Tony' and 'Billy' Giacalone, 'Tony' Provenzano, 'Pete' Vitale, Jimmy Quasarano, and others were there.Hoffa did not return from that meeting.

His car was found still in the Red Fox parking lot.

Every three years a new tip comes out where he is buried, so along comes Zerilli.

Could the Mafia be playing games with the FBI?

How much is this nonsense costing taxpayers? Seriously? Who the hell cares where is is buried. EVEN if he was not killed back then he would likely be dead anyway right now from natural causes. And, if by some strange twist of fate he actually is alive - would we still try someone who would be 100 years old? So, its not like we are worried about finding some criminal mastermind on the lam or anything.

Look at it this way... whoever "offed" him did us a service. The guy is dead and not causing anymore trouble. We didn't have to pay to house him in corrections for the last 40 years, we didn't have to pay for yet another trial of whatever criminal activities he was up to, etc......

And, EVEN if we find his bones - there is no way there would be enough evidence to convict anyone EVEN IF that guy was still alive to convict. What a collosal waste of time and resources.

 

[Minotaur]

How much is this nonsense costing taxpayers? Seriously? Who the hell cares where is is buried. EVEN if he was not killed back then he would likely be dead anyway right now from natural causes. And, if by some strange twist of fate he actually is alive - would we still try someone who would be 100 years old? So, its not like we are worried about finding some criminal mastermind on the lam or anything.

Look at it this way... whoever "offed" him did us a service. The guy is dead and not causing anymore trouble. We didn't have to pay to house him in corrections for the last 40 years, we didn't have to pay for yet another trial of whatever criminal activities he was up to, etc......

And, EVEN if we find his bones - there is no way there would be enough evidence to convict anyone EVEN IF that guy was still alive to convict. What a collosal waste of time and resources.

If they find his bones they can bronze them and sell them on EBay to get that money back.

It is more about resolving Cold Cases and they do it for unknowns who are killed as well. Forensic Science and cold case reopening is the method they are using so they need the body to resolve the case and I suspect they are trying to resolve it with each tipster to evaluate the real story behind the mob murder. It would be top viewing as a TV series. We'll call it MCSI (Mob crime scene investigation) LOL

 

[marvin martian]

Does the FBI really have nothing better to do? On the other hand, if they're occupied with this, that leaves them less time to harass American citizens...

 

[trapdoor]

How much is this nonsense costing taxpayers? Seriously? Who the hell cares where is is buried. EVEN if he was not killed back then he would likely be dead anyway right now from natural causes. And, if by some strange twist of fate he actually is alive - would we still try someone who would be 100 years old? So, its not like we are worried about finding some criminal mastermind on the lam or anything.

They aren't looking for Hoffa in order to try him, but in order to solve his murder. There is nothing to try him for as he was not being pursued for any crimes at the time of his death. He had already served his time on the one conviction that did stick.

Look at it this way... whoever "offed" him did us a service. The guy is dead and not causing anymore trouble. We didn't have to pay to house him in corrections for the last 40 years, we didn't have to pay for yet another trial of whatever criminal activities he was up to, etc......

He wouldn't have been in jail. It is quite likely, however, that he'd have taken the Teamsters union back and run it until at least the mid-1980s. My afther was a Teamster and I asked him back in 1995 or so whether he'd have voted to go with Hoffa or not. His response was, "I'd have voted for Jimmy Hoffa and so would everyeone else -- that's why they had to kill him, because if he ever got the union back, he'd have cut the money off to the mob."

And, EVEN if we find his bones - there is no way there would be enough evidence to convict anyone EVEN IF that guy was still alive to convict. What a collosal waste of time and resources.

That I agree with.

 

[Corruptbuddha]

I want the government to search for Bigfoot. Bigfoot abducted Elvis! And killed JFK!!

That's why you couldn't see him on the grassy knoll...he's camouflaged.

 

[connieb]

They aren't looking for Hoffa in order to try him, but in order to solve his murder. There is nothing to try him for as he was not being pursued for any crimes at the time of his death. He had already served his time on the one conviction that did stick.



He wouldn't have been in jail. It is quite likely, however, that he'd have taken the Teamsters union back and run it until at least the mid-1980s. My afther was a Teamster and I asked him back in 1995 or so whether he'd have voted to go with Hoffa or not. His response was, "I'd have voted for Jimmy Hoffa and so would everyeone else -- that's why they had to kill him, because if he ever got the union back, he'd have cut the money off to the mob."




That I agree with.

I know WHY they were trying to find him. But, I think its useless and pointless. I was trying to point out that even if he were currently still alive - there would be absolutely no point in looking for him at all. Basically the whole thing is an enormous exercise in a waste of time and energy.

 

[trapdoor]

I know WHY they were trying to find him. But, I think its useless and pointless. I was trying to point out that even if he were currently still alive - there would be absolutely no point in looking for him at all. Basically the whole thing is an enormous exercise in a waste of time and energy.

Then why all the references to convicting him and taxpayers having to pay to feed and house him?

 

[connieb]

Then why all the references to convicting him and taxpayers having to pay to feed and house him?

To point out that even if they wanted him for some other reason than just to close the case, it was actually more cost beneficial that he would be gone. He was a person of interest still by the FBI at the time he disappeared. It would only have been a matter of time if he had not been killed that eventually he would have been involved with something else and facing some other type of criminal charge. Or he would have testified against someone else and been put in witness protection. Who knows.. it wasn't like he was some goody two shoes. He had connections to crime,, was involved in crime and would likely have continued in some way, in a life of crime.

His premature death probably would have saved the tax payers money in the long run if we would quit spending so much time to find his body.

connie

 

[trapdoor]

To point out that even if they wanted him for some other reason than just to close the case, it was actually more cost beneficial that he would be gone. He was a person of interest still by the FBI at the time he disappeared. It would only have been a matter of time if he had not been killed that eventually he would have been involved with something else and facing some other type of criminal charge. Or he would have testified against someone else and been put in witness protection. Who knows.. it wasn't like he was some goody two shoes. He had connections to crime,, was involved in crime and would likely have continued in some way, in a life of crime.

His premature death probably would have saved the tax payers money in the long run if we would quit spending so much time to find his body.

connie

Well, having met a bunch of Teamsters of my Dad's generation, they never saw Hoffa as just a criminal as you seem to. "He got his, but he got us ours" was their take on the matter.

I think it's unlikely Hoffa would have had additional criminal charges against him. Ultimately what got him killed was his attempt to separate the Union from mob influence.

 

[connieb]

Well, having met a bunch of Teamsters of my Dad's generation, they never saw Hoffa as just a criminal as you seem to. "He got his, but he got us ours" was their take on the matter.

I think it's unlikely Hoffa would have had additional criminal charges against him. Ultimately what got him killed was his attempt to separate the Union from mob influence.

Well I am much more black and white when it comes to crime. Once a criminal - always a criminal. Yes, he was doing some level of good by wanting to get the mob out of the union. But, I seriously doubt that it was out of the goodness of his heart......