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Another suicide by cop.

Yes, people suffering seizures often simulate a weapon and point it at police officers. Isn't that common knowledge? o_O
 
Wolfert Webber said:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/po...ting-vaping-device/ar-BBwMY5o?ocid=spartandhp

How damned stupid can you get?
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Your link:

"Alfred Olango, a 38-year-old Ugandan immigrant who activists and friends described as mentally ill, was killed on Tuesday in the San Diego suburb of El Cajon. Demonstrators have demanded a federal investigation into his death..."

"Two El Cajon police officers confronted Olango, whom callers to police said had been acting erratically and walking in traffic. One of the officers opened fire with a pistol and his partner simultaneously fired a Taser stun gun when the man pulled an object from his pocket and aimed at them in a 'shooting stance,' police said.

"No gun was found at the scene."

The object Alfred drew from his pocket was an e-cigarette, and the cop who shot him has been identified and described as a "cowboy" who should have been fired from the El Cajon department years ago for sexual harassment of a female officer under his supervision.
http://www.democracynow.org/
This might be one of those police shootings of an unarmed black male where the police officer is actually in the wrong.:eek:
 
georgephillip said:
Your link:

"Alfred Olango, a 38-year-old Ugandan immigrant who activists and friends described as mentally ill, was killed on Tuesday in the San Diego suburb of El Cajon. Demonstrators have demanded a federal investigation into his death..."

"Two El Cajon police officers confronted Olango, whom callers to police said had been acting erratically and walking in traffic. One of the officers opened fire with a pistol and his partner simultaneously fired a Taser stun gun when the man pulled an object from his pocket and aimed at them in a 'shooting stance,' police said.

"No gun was found at the scene."

The object Alfred drew from his pocket was an e-cigarette, and the cop who shot him has been identified and described as a "cowboy" who should have been fired from the El Cajon department years ago for sexual harassment of a female officer under his supervision.
http://www.democracynow.org/
This might be one of those police shootings of an unarmed black male where the police officer is actually in the wrong.:eek:
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Would you, having seen the video and the manner in which the dead guy pointed the e-cig, have bet your life or the life of one of your kids on the chance it was an e-cig and not a gun?
 
Wolfert Webber said:
Would you, having seen the video and the manner in which the dead guy pointed the e-cig, have bet your life or the life of one of your kids on the chance it was an e-cig and not a gun?
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I think we have to expect those in law enforcement to wait long enough to identify the object that's being held in situations like this one. One explanation for why the officer resulted to deadly force in El Cajon might be "sympathetic fire" stemming from a nearby officer discharging his taser. In a country with over 300 million firearms spread across 65 million sites, US cops are going to find themselves in these kinds of situations more and more often, especially if our economy continues swirling the drain. Ultimately, the cops are the ones being paid to protect and serve, and, if necessary, give their lives for the greater collective.
 
I didn't ask for a screed.

I asked if you would trust your life or the life of your child with that guy had you been in that cop's shoes.
 
georgephillip said:
I think we have to expect those in law enforcement to wait long enough to identify the object that's being held in situations like this one. One explanation for why the officer resulted to deadly force in El Cajon might be "sympathetic fire" stemming from a nearby officer discharging his taser. In a country with over 300 million firearms spread across 65 million sites, US cops are going to find themselves in these kinds of situations more and more often, especially if our economy continues swirling the drain. Ultimately, the cops are the ones being paid to protect and serve, and, if necessary, give their lives for the greater collective.
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BTW, how dare you say the wonderful Obama economy is swirling in the drain?

As for giving lives for the greater collective, go peddle that shit elsewhere.
 
georgephillip said:
Your link:

"Alfred Olango, a 38-year-old Ugandan immigrant who activists and friends described as mentally ill, was killed on Tuesday in the San Diego suburb of El Cajon. Demonstrators have demanded a federal investigation into his death..."

"Two El Cajon police officers confronted Olango, whom callers to police said had been acting erratically and walking in traffic. One of the officers opened fire with a pistol and his partner simultaneously fired a Taser stun gun when the man pulled an object from his pocket and aimed at them in a 'shooting stance,' police said.

"No gun was found at the scene."

The object Alfred drew from his pocket was an e-cigarette, and the cop who shot him has been identified and described as a "cowboy" who should have been fired from the El Cajon department years ago for sexual harassment of a female officer under his supervision.
http://www.democracynow.org/
This might be one of those police shootings of an unarmed black male where the police officer is actually in the wrong.:eek:
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Sorry, but if you point something that even looks like a gun at cops, you can expect to be shot. As to the sexual harassment claim, I'd have to know more details. These days, just saying "you look nice today" can be construed as sexual harassment. I will gladly criticize him if more details warrant it.
 
georgephillip said:
I think we have to expect those in law enforcement to wait long enough to identify the object that's being held in situations like this one. One explanation for why the officer resulted to deadly force in El Cajon might be "sympathetic fire" stemming from a nearby officer discharging his taser. In a country with over 300 million firearms spread across 65 million sites, US cops are going to find themselves in these kinds of situations more and more often, especially if our economy continues swirling the drain. Ultimately, the cops are the ones being paid to protect and serve, and, if necessary, give their lives for the greater collective.
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Wait... like until the guy actually shoots at them?
 
The Thinker said:
Sorry, but if you point something that even looks like a gun at cops, you can expect to be shot. As to the sexual harassment claim, I'd have to know more details. These days, just saying "you look nice today" can be construed as sexual harassment. I will gladly criticize him if more details warrant it.
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The details on the sexual harassment charge will be available a few hours from now (8:13 AM(Pacific) on
http://www.democracynow.org/
According to a live DN! interview earlier this morning with a local attorney representing Olongo's family AND who represented the female officer who filed charges against the shooter, said shooter was demoted from Sergeant to Officer for emailing photos of his naked penis to the female cop.
 
georgephillip said:
The details on the sexual harassment charge will be available a few hours from now (8:13 AM(Pacific) on
http://www.democracynow.org/
According to a live DN! interview earlier this morning with a local attorney representing Olongo's family AND who represented the female officer who filed charges against the shooter, said shooter was demoted from Sergeant to Officer for emailing photos of his naked penis to the female cop.
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If that's the case, I'd say he should have been fired. No question about it.
 
georgephillip said:
I think we have to expect those in law enforcement to wait long enough to identify the object that's being held in situations like this one. One explanation for why the officer resulted to deadly force in El Cajon might be "sympathetic fire" stemming from a nearby officer discharging his taser. In a country with over 300 million firearms spread across 65 million sites, US cops are going to find themselves in these kinds of situations more and more often, especially if our economy continues swirling the drain. Ultimately, the cops are the ones being paid to protect and serve, and, if necessary, give their lives for the greater collective.
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Wrong.
There's nothing in the police manual or regulations that demands they lose their lives for want of not knowing what an object is.
If an irrationally acting person is disregarding traffic laws, disregards police lights and siren, disregards ordered verbal commands, flees or charges and then produces an object that might very well be a weapon, the officer IS charged with the use of deadly force, he is not charged with the demand to sacrifice his life.

In a dispute with a suspect, when does it become "necessary" for an officer to lose his life?
That's a moronic, deal-breaking concept never asked of the police.
 
Dino said:
Wrong.
There's nothing in the police manual or regulations that demands they lose their lives for want of not knowing what an object is.
If an irrationally acting person is disregarding traffic laws, disregards police lights and siren, disregards ordered verbal commands, flees or charges and then produces an object that might very well be a weapon, the officer IS charged with the use of deadly force, he is not charged with the demand to sacrifice his life.

In a dispute with a suspect, when does it become "necessary" for an officer to lose his life?
That's a moronic, deal-breaking concept never asked of the police.
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The Supreme court has ruled they are not even required to protect you.

Look - to all the dumbasses who think the police are there to "help" you with a mentally unstable relative - they are not. Your relative and controlling them are your problem. If you can not do that - and call "law enforcement" because they are behaving dangerously and erratically and you fear for your safety - then all bets are off. They will respond as if the person is dangerous and a threat to themselves and others. They are not mental health professionals. They are not wardens in a psychiatric ward. They are the people you call when you are in danger. IF you do not think you are in danger... don't call them. continue to deal with the problem yourself. If you are actually in danger, then the police have the right to use deadly force, when they are confronted by this person, so then don't whine about it later.

This is of course why we need loony bins, in this country, where families can actually have their crazy relatives locked up when they pose a danger to themselves and others. And before lefty whines about Regan closing them - yes, he did cut funding - after the SC ruled that basically it was unconstitutional to force a crazy - to be locked up in a loony bin and take their medication unless they were a clear and present danger to others.. whcih resulted in people not being locked up.

Perhaps we need to revisit THAT standard. Cause if you are calling the police on a relative - that doesn't sound a like a person who should be out in the general public.
 
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