Assad interview
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Queen Titania
Senator
You very obviously didn't listen to the interview ....................
I asked, who are we arming and why are we arming them ? Nobody has said poor Assad not he nor anyone else...............but then you really are not interested are you ?
PNAC rules ! And anyone your Gov wants to murder must be a murdered, right or wrong ........
Queen Titania
Senator
Snivel ??? What on earth are you talking about ?
In ignorance as usual eh ? You know best............ What is the point in anybody posting anything on this site ? Everyone has their head in the sand ...cool, I really can't be bothered anymore.
Boltlady
Governor
Assad is a very well educated and intelligent man. He has proven to his people that he is NOT his father. He is extremely level headed.
This whole demonization of Syria is so obviously an orchestration by those who are trying to control the whole ME and are trying to get a war going with Iran without going in directly if possible. The Kool-Aid drinkers are swallowing the totally biased reporting just as they did leading into Iraq. They don't bother with the effort involved in doing their own thinking when their gov't and the media tells them who they are supposed to hate. They just tend to hate on cue.
Queen Titania
Senator
I know, I lost my cool a bit yesterday because nobody even listens or reads what one posts. Why do they bother to give, in ignorance, any opinion ? Instead of saying honestly 'I don't want to hear what he says, my Gov says he is a Devil and that is good enough for me' .
A bloody arms dealer disguised as the British PM is calling to arm the 'rebels' officially. Poor Egypt too, poor everywhere. It will backfire though BoltLady . We are doing our old trick of putting into power Despots, to keep the peoples down, but this time they are Religious Despots, 'we' shall not be able to control them.
Isn't Assad funny ..he reminds me of a character in the US Taxi soap .... And the Antiquities that are being destroyed too ........... Oh such barbarity.
This is going to spill into Saudi and Russia too if 'we' people don't wake up and say stop it, stop it now ! Madness utter utter madness.
NightSwimmer
Senator
Hilarious. The dude is a downright riot.
Maybe you and Boltlady can set up a double date with him after he is exiled?
Queen Titania
Senator
Why should he be exiled ? What business is it of ours to be arming and giving intelligence to insurgents ? Syrians are saying the Rebels are NOT Syrians. They are leaving their HomeLand in droves .................
You make the mistake always of thinking because we speak against the Wests interference, we are admirers of those in Power, we are not, I am not. But our interference make things worse not better, a hell of a lot worse.
NightSwimmer
Senator
No, I do not make any such mistake, Madame. It is easy enough to complain, but you offer no solution. What would you do if you were in charge?
Boltlady
Governor
Trying to actually discuss anything is really frustrating sometimes. What I see and I know that you do too, is that people simply want to take a side in almost everything. An actual discussion involves looking at various sides of a picture. People don't seem to want that. They just want to elaborate on whichever 'side' they've chosen to be on for whatever reason. They will only follow links and whatever enhances whatever they've already decided to believe. That applies to a large number of people but thankfully there are more people in the world now who are seeing the bigger pictures.
Lately I've been looking at our basic populations like large beehives. In a beehive each group of bees has it's own distinctive role that it's confined to. Today we have people becoming so specialized that they develop deep amounts of knowledge in their specialty but don't really understand how it ties the whole together. That allows them to play their part but eliminates their ability to control the hive itself or even to understand how it all works. That part is relegated to fewer and fewer at the top who are the ones who pull the strings.
We just have to hope that the numbers who do have the ability to put it all together will be enough to counteract those few at the top that seem to have enormous amounts of power.
NightSwimmer
Senator
I take the side of requiring evidence to support a proposition.
Queen Titania
Senator
Absolutly BoltLady. Absolutly.
So simple are we not. It is especially painful to see such complex peoples as those of the Arabias being so dreadfully disrespected by such barbarians, for that is what our Governments have bought us back too, barbarity.
Boltlady
Governor
For my part, I would concentrate on shoring up the actual defenses in our own countries so that we simply operate from a position of strength rather than aggression. Then we would be free to deal with anyone in the world without feeling the need to take over their countries. The fact that we feel the need to 'own' them shows that we do not feel strong enough to exist any other way.
The money that we would redirect from our pure aggression could be much better used to enhance our way of life. Right now we're pouring it all down a rathole instead of allowing our own people to benefit from our natural resources and technical abilities.
Queen Titania
Senator
People like me would be assassinated, one way or another, long before they came to be in charge of even the toilet of foreign policy because people like me believe in diplomacy and free trade and no interfence in anothers business. And people like me 'love the difference'.
We should do nothing, look to our own, and trade fairly with others.
Boltlady
Governor
Evidence is all around. For the most part we're not allowed to be privy to it or if we are, we choose to ignore it for our preconceived notions.
Queen Titania
Senator
And look at our infrastructures ! We are all being bought to our knees.
Our trains which millions use every day are in a mess through lack of upkeep but through the most beautiful Landscape we have Cameron intends to run a new track for posh trains from London to Brum for a few business men !
Queen Titania
Senator
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/10/syrian-opposition-assad-end-failure
Syria's minority groups, Alawites, Christians, Kurds and Druze among them, have been reluctant to support the opposition uprising, with many among them accepting Assad's argument that only his regime can act as guarantor of their safety. The armed opposition is largely led by Syria's Sunni Muslim majority, which accounts for around 70% of the country's population.
Rebel groups inside Syria are engaged in a bitter contest to win patrons abroad. Ammunition is running low among established Islamist fighting units on Aleppo's frontlines.
Jihadist organisations, however, such as Jabhat al-Nusra and al-Mujaharin – both al-Qaida linked – are not facing the same shortages. As a result, both groups are taking increasingly prominent roles in attacks against government forces.
A failure to pull together a viable and inclusive opposition would seriously undermine rebel groups' efforts to secure weapons and money. Groups on Aleppo's frontlines told the Observer they had enough ammunition to hold their positions, but not enough to advance.
"And there's a price to pay for that," one rebel commander, Abu Furat, said. "They will want their share of (the spoils).
Aleppo remains in stalemate, with the frontline that splits the city from north to south not having meaningfully shifted since the late summer.
Meanwhile, in Damascus, a large explosion on Saturday morning is believed to have killed up to 20 of the regime's troops.
connieb
Senator
I remember not that long ago (obviously more than 18 months ago, but not too much farther back) reading a Time or Newsweek article about Asaad and his wife and his fancy Brittish education. And, how they were so cool and cosmopolitan compared to the rest of the middle east, and that is why life in Syria is so much better and more enlightened than other places, etc..... THEN I hear about all this civil unrest and I think what the heck was that article all about?
I will say, I agree with him in that the West likes to pick enemies. Axis of Evil.... anyone? I think we like to have selective memories as well. 150 Years ago when half of our country rose up in protest and ultimately war against what they felt like was an unjust Government... we too murdered our own citizens. We too destroyed the property of innocent civilians. We burned areas of the south just to burn it and to destroy the will of the citizenry.
Now we like to act like it was all a good and noble cause, right. And, certainly abolishing slavery was a good and positive goal. But, it will be interesting to see how history will report this time in Syria. Because I don't really know exactly why the unrest started and to the extent that it has been going on. But, I do know that history is written by the victor, and there are two sides to every story.
Before we do make collossal mistakes such as funding the wrong side.. which we have done before...perhaps we need consider a few things... one... to some degree we accept that a government has the right to squash opposition. And, NO one has lived that more than the Brits and the Americans. How many wars did you all fight with the Scottish or Irish to keep your thumbs on those two peoples? Lets not act like we both haven't killed our own citizens when they have dared to defy the government. And, two.... we need to consider BOTH sides of the coin. Exactly WHAT is the problem there. Why do the people -which Time or Newsweek certainly painted as happy enlightened people - want by this show of force. Are there others behind this? By allowing or supporting this overthrow of government - would we be infact allowing other groups to take root such as the Muslim Brotherhood or the Taliban. Are they better or worse than who is in there? And, then quite frankly - we need to figure out if it is any of our damn business..... My bet - its probably not.
connie
I will say, I agree with him in that the West likes to pick enemies. Axis of Evil.... anyone? I think we like to have selective memories as well. 150 Years ago when half of our country rose up in protest and ultimately war against what they felt like was an unjust Government... we too murdered our own citizens. We too destroyed the property of innocent civilians. We burned areas of the south just to burn it and to destroy the will of the citizenry.
Now we like to act like it was all a good and noble cause, right. And, certainly abolishing slavery was a good and positive goal. But, it will be interesting to see how history will report this time in Syria. Because I don't really know exactly why the unrest started and to the extent that it has been going on. But, I do know that history is written by the victor, and there are two sides to every story.
Before we do make collossal mistakes such as funding the wrong side.. which we have done before...perhaps we need consider a few things... one... to some degree we accept that a government has the right to squash opposition. And, NO one has lived that more than the Brits and the Americans. How many wars did you all fight with the Scottish or Irish to keep your thumbs on those two peoples? Lets not act like we both haven't killed our own citizens when they have dared to defy the government. And, two.... we need to consider BOTH sides of the coin. Exactly WHAT is the problem there. Why do the people -which Time or Newsweek certainly painted as happy enlightened people - want by this show of force. Are there others behind this? By allowing or supporting this overthrow of government - would we be infact allowing other groups to take root such as the Muslim Brotherhood or the Taliban. Are they better or worse than who is in there? And, then quite frankly - we need to figure out if it is any of our damn business..... My bet - its probably not.
connie
Queen Titania
Senator
'like' ...........................
