New Posts
  • Hi there guest! Welcome to PoliticalJack.com. Register for free to join our community?

Benghazi context.

Arkady

President
Going back to 1970, there's been an average of about 11 people killed per year in attacks on American consulates. On Reagan's watch, it was an average of 12 per year. On Clinton's watch, it was even worse. Since Obama took office, that figure has been 5.5. So, kudos to the Obama-era State Department for above-average handling of security issues.
 
Going back to 1970, there's been an average of about 11 people killed per year in attacks on American consulates. On Reagan's watch, it was an average of 12 per year. On Clinton's watch, it was even worse. Since Obama took office, that figure has been 5.5. So, kudos to the Obama-era State Department for above-average handling of security issues.
Funny, you'd never know people are half as likely to get killed at our embassies and consulates since Obama took office as before that, from the tone of the coverage. If the guy were Reagan, we'd be getting right-wingers telling us that people at our foreign missions are so much safer now because the bad guys know we mean business now that we have a real leader in the White House.
 
are you defining "context" as one of the following?

1 - no investigation needed - attacks on diplomatic personnel are part of the job description . . . or . . . .

2 - the other attacks involved bogus cover stories by presidents to buff up their party's election prospects as well?

Well said! Arkady's premises are usually easy to shoot holes in, but you do it with an economy of words that is admirable.
 
pombo-xadrez-2.jpg
 
Benghazi is different and unique in the vast annals of ALL prior incidents because well........it happened while Obama was President.

Coincidence?...you tell me! "They" say there's no such thing as coincidence. That Benghazi is at least 100x worse than ANYTHING that preceded it, can't just be coincidence.
 
are you defining "context" as one of the following?

1 - no investigation needed - attacks on diplomatic personnel are part of the job description . . . or . . . .

2 - the other attacks involved bogus cover stories by presidents to buff up their party's election prospects as well?
I'm not sure what you're asking. The first use of the word "context" in this thread is yours.
 
Going back to 1970, there's been an average of about 11 people killed per year in attacks on American consulates. On Reagan's watch, it was an average of 12 per year. On Clinton's watch, it was even worse. Since Obama took office, that figure has been 5.5. So, kudos to the Obama-era State Department for above-average handling of security issues.

1900066_10152318402625520_1778612981_n.jpg
 
Funny, you'd never know people are half as likely to get killed at our embassies and consulates since Obama took office as before that, from the tone of the coverage. If the guy were Reagan, we'd be getting right-wingers telling us that people at our foreign missions are so much safer now because the bad guys know we mean business now that we have a real leader in the White House.

Reagan wouldn't have LIED like 'O' has...............
 
I'm not sure what you're asking. The first use of the word "context" in this thread is yours.

Since your top-post was ALL about "context" from beginning to end, I'm guessing she simply doesn't understand the word "context", except I suppose, to the extent she needs you to square all this with HER context.
 
Benghazi is different and unique in the vast annals of ALL prior incidents because well........it happened while Obama was President.

Coincidence?...you tell me! "They" say there's no such thing as coincidence. That Benghazi is at least 100x worse than ANYTHING that preceded it, can't just be coincidence.

" a more transparent, collaborative and participatory government"..........'O' lied and people died ☻
 
Benghazi is different and unique in the vast annals of ALL prior incidents because well........it happened while Obama was President.

Coincidence?...you tell me! "They" say there's no such thing as coincidence. That Benghazi is at least 100x worse than ANYTHING that preceded it, can't just be coincidence.
This is reminding me a bit of an argument I had back when the right-wingers went bonkers and attacked our president, after the USS Cole was hit, killing 17 sailors. I asked the right-wingers whether they'd been similarly pissed off at our president when the USS Stark was hit, killing 37 sailors. However, since that one happened under Reagan, not Clinton, they'd never even heard of it, much less thought to be angry at the president about it. Yet the Stark attack, unlike the Cole attack, very directly implicated a specific poor policy of the president. The Stark attack happened when Hussein "accidentally" fired on one of our ships after finding out that we'd secretly been arming his enemies, the Iranians. That illegal arming of Iran was a Reagan-administration policy, as was the idea of sailing our ships into the middle of a war-zone where we'd recently been caught playing both sides. It was a combination of corruption and poor decision making at the most senior levels, but since it was a Republican administration, it was allowed to slide with little attention. These things only become big issues when there's a Democrat in the White House.

As bad as that witch-hunting mentality was in the Clinton years, it's even worse in the Obama years. At least the Clinton-era security lapses were big enough to merit serious attention (the Nairobi bombing, the Cole, an OK city were all big events). With Obama, we're talking about obsessive attention to two little attacks in Benghazi, each of which resulted in only two deaths. Put together, they're the kind of death toll we'd expect in a traffic accident, not a major international incident.
 
If President Obama were to tell the "truth" as you know it to be, what would he say?

I sent Rice out to lie...............look the e-mails prove that.............that it took 8 months to get.............transparency the bigger LIE.
 
Reagan wouldn't have LIED like 'O' has...............
Remember the Iran/Contra hearings. Reagan said "I don't recall" or "I can't remember" 88 times in his testimony. That included a number of questions where it is inconceivable that a man of sound mind could have forgotten whether or not he'd heard a certain thing. There were really only two possibilities. One, Reagan was lying. Or two, he'd lost his marbles. What Reagan had going for him is that he was so seemingly batty that the second possibility was taken as a real option. And when he quickly descended into a vegetative state, from Alzheimers, after his presidency, it underscored the possibility he actually had forgotten many of the key events of his own presidency by the time of his testimony.
 
Last edited:
This is reminding me a bit of an argument I had back when the right-wingers went bonkers and attacked our president, after the USS Cole was hit, killing 17 sailors. I asked the right-wingers whether they'd been similarly pissed off at our president when the USS Stark was hit, killing 37 sailors. However, since that one happened under Reagan, not Clinton, they'd never even heard of it, much less thought to be angry at the president about it. Yet the Stark attack, unlike the Cole attack, very directly implicated a specific poor policy of the president. The Stark attack happened when Hussein "accidentally" fired on one of our ships after finding out that we'd secretly been arming his enemies, the Iranians. That illegal arming of Iran was a Reagan-administration policy, as was the idea of sailing our ships into the middle of a war-zone where we'd recently been caught playing both sides. It was a combination of corruption and poor decision making at the most senior levels, but since it was a Republican administration, it was allowed to slide with little attention. These things only become big issues when there's a Democrat in the White House.

As bad as that witch-hunting mentality was in the Clinton years, it's even worse in the Obama years. At least the Clinton-era security lapses were big enough to merit serious attention (the Nairobi bombing, the Cole, an OK city were all big events). With Obama, we're talking about obsessive attention to two little attacks in Benghazi, each of which resulted in only two deaths. Put together, they're the kind of death toll we'd expect in a traffic accident, not a major international incident.

ASOT's questions are what I'm curious about as well.

Also, I think had this had nothing to do with election time, or not fit into a theme of incidents where the administration has been secretive and possibly very misleading.. it wouldn't be a huge deal.

However, I think nothing disgusts a person who is political more than an administration who possibly spun and changed information about the cause of the deaths of individuals for the good of the administration's reputation and name...

That is truly dispicable, and if it happened, the people should probably know.
 
I sent Rice out to lie...............look the e-mails prove that.............that it took 8 months to get.............transparency the bigger LIE.
Would he need to speak in incoherent fragments separated by exaggerated ellipses to satisfy you?
 
This is reminding me a bit of an argument I had back when the right-wingers went bonkers and attacked our president, after the USS Cole was hit, killing 17 sailors. I asked the right-wingers whether they'd been similarly pissed off at our president when the USS Stark was hit, killing 37 sailors. However, since that one happened under Reagan, not Clinton, they'd never even heard of it, much less thought to be angry at the president about it. Yet the Stark attack, unlike the Cole attack, very directly implicated a specific poor policy of the president. The Stark attack happened when Hussein "accidentally" fired on one of our ships after finding out that we'd secretly been arming his enemies, the Iranians. That illegal arming of Iran was a Reagan-administration policy, as was the idea of sailing our ships into the middle of a war-zone where we'd recently been caught playing both sides. It was a combination of corruption and poor decision making at the most senior levels, but since it was a Republican administration, it was allowed to slide with little attention. These things only become big issues when there's a Democrat in the White House.

As bad as that witch-hunting mentality was in the Clinton years, it's even worse in the Obama years. At least the Clinton-era security lapses were big enough to merit serious attention (the Nairobi bombing, the Cole, an OK city were all big events). With Obama, we're talking about obsessive attention to two little attacks in Benghazi, each of which resulted in only two deaths. Put together, they're the kind of death toll we'd expect in a traffic accident, not a major international incident.

Everything's a "point scoring exercise" for them, and they assume everyone else is playing by the same rules. So, if they say 4 people died at Benghazi and I say that 4 people died someplace else when Li'l George was president, they can only perceive my response as tit-for-tatism.

They've made an "attack" on Obama and all I'm doing is coming back with what I think will be a sufficient "counterattack" angle, in hopes of evening the score.

Now if the record showed that our foreign servants have been dying at TWICE the average rate under Obama, it might make sense to look into the whole thing. But...when they've been dying at HALF the average rate - ya'd think that might necessarily obviate their dreams of an attack angle.

It sorta reminds me of how the Fox/GOPs dismiss Clinton's four annual surpluses as no better or worse than Reagan/Bush/Bush's massive annual deficits since neither actually reduced the national debt.
 
Back
Top