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Benghazi context.

Benghazi is different and unique in the vast annals of ALL prior incidents because well........it happened while Obama was President.

Coincidence?...you tell me! "They" say there's no such thing as coincidence. That Benghazi is at least 100x worse than ANYTHING that preceded it, can't just be coincidence.

heaven forbid that the nicaraguan contra thing should have happened under obama's watch, rather than reagans . . .

obama would have trotted out susan rice to say the CIA was never involved - the contras got their training and gear from royalties on a you tube video. and that "what difference does it make?"

and fairsheet would STILL be posting - "this would never have happened under reagan - obama is the only president in history to get criticized for this crap."
 
Remember the Iran/Contra hearings. Reagan said "I don't recall" or "I can't remember" 88 times in his testimony. That included to a number of questions where it is inconceivable that a man of sound mind could have forgotten whether or not he'd heard a certain thing. There were really only two possibilities. One, Reagan was lying. Or two, he'd lost his marbles. What Reagan had going for him is that he was so seemingly batty that the second possibility was taken as a real option. And when he quickly descended into a vegetative state, from Alzheimers, after his presidency, it underscored the possibility he actually had forgotten many of the key events of his own presidency by the time of his testimony.

When any of us says something that's false, it's either because we were stupid or we were lying. And for sure, "stupid" may only mean that we lack complete information about the particular subject at hand. And, "lying' could simply be a matter of a "white lie" intended to avoid unecessary offense.

Still, it's kinda funny how Reagan's and Li'l George's advocates had no problem whatsoever, with passing off any one of their falsehoods as obliviousness or stupidity. But, they never gave Clinton or Obama the same "courtesy".

I'm not sure they necessarily intend this but, this is a bit of a backhanded compliment to Clinton and Obama.
 
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Reagan wouldn't have LIED like 'O' has...............

Reagan began his presidency with lies regarding a deal with Iran to hold the prisoners until the election was done. Lies are nothing new regardless of who sits in the WH.

gramps
 
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Reagan began his presidency with lies regarding a deal with Iran to hold the prisoners until the election was done. Lies are nothing new regardless of who sits in the WH.

gramps

CHANGE, where is the CHANGE promised?
 
heaven forbid that the nicaraguan contra thing should have happened under obama's watch, rather than reagans . . .

obama would have trotted out susan rice to say the CIA was never involved - the contras got their training and gear from royalties on a you tube video. and that "what difference does it make?"

and fairsheet would STILL be posting - "this would never have happened under reagan - obama is the only president in history to get criticized for this crap."

As the evidence makes plain, "Iran-Contra" was real. As the evidence - at least to this point - makes it plain that "BenghaziGate" is bogus, this effort at some sort of "moral equivalence" is silly.
 
It always irritates me so much when these libs cry about how many people have died at Consulates & Embassies under all Presidents and compare it with what happened in Benghazi.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that more people were killed in others...but that's not what the problem is!! I don't know how many times we have to say it was the LIES that were told right from the beginning & for weeks...NOT how many people died! They lied to everyone, including the parents of the 4 dead...right to their face! There was no other President & SOS that blatantly lied about any of the other attacks.
 
It always irritates me so much when these libs cry about how many people have died at Consulates & Embassies under all Presidents and compare it with what happened in Benghazi.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that more people were killed in others...but that's not what the problem is!! I don't know how many times we have to say it was the LIES that were told right from the beginning & for weeks...NOT how many people died! They lied to everyone, including the parents of the 4 dead...right to their face! There was no other President & SOS that blatantly lied about any of the other attacks.


What's it like inside your bizarre echo-chamber?
 
are you defining "context" as one of the following?

1 - no investigation needed - attacks on diplomatic personnel are part of the job description . . . or . . . .

2 - the other attacks involved bogus cover stories by presidents to buff up their party's election prospects as well?
I see what you were saying about context now. Sorry.

(1) I'm not aware of anyone who suggested that no investigation was needed. We had an investigation into this, the same as we have an investigation into any incident where government personnel are killed on the job. What's unusual, in this case, is that we've had such lengthy and repeated hearings about it, and that new efforts continue to pop up, so long after the fact. It's also unusual how much of the attention has focused on the trivial side show of how the administration spun the incident in the first couple weeks after it happened, rather than the more fundamental issue of what lessons can be learned from the incident to make our facilities more secure in the future.

(2) I'm unaware of any bogus cover story here. Are you referring to the initial CIA talking points that suggested the attack might have been inspired by the Cairo demonstrations, which in turn were related to the anti-Muslim video? If so, in what sense did those talking points end up mattering? I mean, the "hit," whether it was positive or negative, was already a fait accompli, by that point. Nobody hid the fact the attack had happened and that four people had died in it. Susan Rice was open about the fact that the attackers had been heavily armed and that the administration was looking into whether they were al Qaeda affiliated. I honestly don't get why Republican think it was highly important whether or not there was a demonstration occurring at the time or not. Can you explain that to me?

Anyway, my take on it is the Republicans have fixated on the trivial aspect of the story (immaterial details about the allegedly knowingly false idea that there were demonstrations related to the anti-Muslim videos), rather than the issue you'd normally expect to be front and center (what can we learn from this to make facilities safer in the future), because they come at it from the perspective of wanting a cudgel to use against Obama and Clinton. They'd hate to get sidetracked into something substantive like improving security for our overseas missions, which might require higher spending. So they stick to the stuff where they can make the story all about the alleged dishonesty of the administration.
 
It always irritates me so much when these libs cry about how many people have died at Consulates & Embassies under all Presidents and compare it with what happened in Benghazi.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that more people were killed in others...but that's not what the problem is!! I don't know how many times we have to say it was the LIES that were told right from the beginning & for weeks...NOT how many people died! They lied to everyone, including the parents of the 4 dead...right to their face! There was no other President & SOS that blatantly lied about any of the other attacks.
What lies, specifically?
 
The BenghaziGaters absolutely refuse (except for Barb) to tell us WHY whatever the Obamans said is apropos of any specific shit. What they've all reverted to en masse, is shouting that it doesn't MATTER what difference it makes. All that matters is that they feel Obama should've been 100% "transparent" from the git go.

That angle feels sorta good I suppose, right up to the point where one figures out that their "feel good" premise is utterly false. In the entire history of the U.S. prior to Issa/Benghazi, you'll not find one single example of ANYONE (much less a GOP) shouting that our Commander-in-Chief "OWES" the world absolute transparency in the aftermath of an attack on American's overseas.
 
I see what you were saying about context now. Sorry.

(1) I'm not aware of anyone who suggested that no investigation was needed. We had an investigation into this, the same as we have an investigation into any incident where government personnel are killed on the job. What's unusual, in this case, is that we've had such lengthy and repeated hearings about it, and that new efforts continue to pop up, so long after the fact. It's also unusual how much of the attention has focused on the trivial side show of how the administration spun the incident in the first couple weeks after it happened, rather than the more fundamental issue of what lessons can be learned from the incident to make our facilities more secure in the future.

(2) I'm unaware of any bogus cover story here. Are you referring to the initial CIA talking points that suggested the attack might have been inspired by the Cairo demonstrations, which in turn were related to the anti-Muslim video? If so, in what sense did those talking points end up mattering? I mean, the "hit," whether it was positive or negative, was already a fait accompli, by that point. Nobody hid the fact the attack had happened and that four people had died in it. Susan Rice was open about the fact that the attackers had been heavily armed and that the administration was looking into whether they were al Qaeda affiliated. I honestly don't get why Republican think it was highly important whether or not there was a demonstration occurring at the time or not. Can you explain that to me?

Anyway, my take on it is the Republicans have fixated on the trivial aspect of the story (immaterial details about the allegedly knowingly false idea that there were demonstrations related to the anti-Muslim videos), rather than the issue you'd normally expect to be front and center (what can we learn from this to make facilities safer in the future), because they come at it from the perspective of wanting a cudgel to use against Obama and Clinton. They'd hate to get sidetracked into something substantive like improving security for our overseas missions, which might require higher spending. So they stick to the stuff where they can make the story all about the alleged dishonesty of the administration.

If you can convince one of the Benghazi critics that Rice blamed the attack on heavily armed extremists, and not on a protest gone bad, I'll give you a nickel. Note, transcripts of what Rice said don't work.
 
If you can convince one of the Benghazi critics that Rice blamed the attack on heavily armed extremists, and not on a protest gone bad, I'll give you a nickel. Note, transcripts of what Rice said don't work.
The only thing that would work is if Roger Ailes decided that somehow the truth about her statements benefited the conservative agenda, and started pushing it. Then the ditto-heads would pick up on it soon enough.
 
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