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Bernard_Fokke

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Yep jabbering Joe Biden is drooling over a shot at the oval office unless Hillary runs.

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“He’s intoxicated by the idea, and it’s impossible not to be intoxicated by the idea,” said a Democrat close to the White House. And the intoxication is hardly new. Officials working on the Obama-Biden campaign last year were struck by how the vice president always seemed to have one eye on a run, including aggressively courting the president’s donors. Obama aides at times had to actively steer Biden to places where he was needed — like Pennsylvania — because he kept asking to be deployed to Iowa, New Hampshire and other early states.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/no-joke-joe-biden-makes-2016-moves-86600.html#ixzz2IoNlH000
 
76 on Election Day 2016 is too old? Right now his health is really good.
 
The only one willing to be quoted in that article was a state senator from NH who no one has ever heard of, presumably doesn't know shit and was talking to himself. “I took a look at who was there,” said longtime New Hampshire state Sen. Lou D’Allesandro, “and said to myself, ‘There’s no question he’s thinking about the future.’ ”

The sources are "many", a "number of advisers", "a Democrat close to the White House", and "a campaign adviser".

Not really all that compelling. But who knows? Reagan served two terms under escalating symptoms of Alzheimers. The one time he was put under oath, he couldn't remember doodley about operations he had ordered. He also couldn't stay awake anywhere if he was sitting down.
 
Bernard_Fokke said:
Yep jabbering Joe Biden is drooling over a shot at the oval office unless Hillary runs.

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“He’s intoxicated by the idea, and it’s impossible not to be intoxicated by the idea,” said a Democrat close to the White House. And the intoxication is hardly new. Officials working on the Obama-Biden campaign last year were struck by how the vice president always seemed to have one eye on a run, including aggressively courting the president’s donors. Obama aides at times had to actively steer Biden to places where he was needed — like Pennsylvania — because he kept asking to be deployed to Iowa, New Hampshire and other early states.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/no-joke-joe-biden-makes-2016-moves-86600.html#ixzz2IoNlH000
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This is typical Politico material -- cite an unnamed source gossiping about a politician's psychology. It's akin to what gossip shows do with actors and actresses, only with a different category of celebrity. In each case, I don't understand the mindset that gets entertained by that catty material.
 
Given the increasing lifespans, his age would be roughly in line with plenty of earlier generations of presidents. Reagan was about to turn 70, and we've had 36 years of scientific advances since then. That has pushed life expectancy for a 70-year-old up by about two and a half years, and has had an even bigger impact on the general health of people in that age range. Similarly, Harrison was 68, and that was 175 years ago. Back then, a 70-year-old could expect to live about 10 years. Today it's about 14 years. Biden's age would be a legitimate issue, and would put added emphasis on who he chooses for VP, but it needn't be disqualifying. If he's willing to disclose his medical records, and they look good, I think he could still be elected.

That said, I'd rather see Hillary Clinton. She's old, too, but I think she's temperamentally better suited for the job, and she strikes me as smarter. Deval Patrick's another interesting idea, though maybe he's too liberal to win.
 
bdtex said:
76 on Election Day 2016 is too old? Right now his health is really good.
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Yep. People that age might, on average, only have 10 years of life expectancy remaining, but that overstates the likelihood of him dying in office, because we'd be able to test for whether he's "average." That "average" would include lots of people who already had a cancer diagnosis or serious heart disease, or diabetes, or plenty of other things that drag the overall average way down. If he discloses his health records and there's nothing in there of that sort, then his life expectancy would instead by defined as the life expectancy of a 76-year-old without any serious known health problems, which would push the average way up. Add in the difficult-to-quantify impact of him having the best healthcare in the world and a full-time support team (decreasing the likelihood of dying from having an accident or heart attack while alone), and you could probably double the normal life expectancy. I'd bet that, all things considered, there'd by a fairly small statistical difference between a 76-year-old president dying in office and a 56-year-old president doing so. In each case, I'd expect the biggest risk factor is actually assassination (in light of the fact that almost 10% of our presidents have died that way, which is a statistically enormous risk that would outweigh most other risk factors regardless of age).
 
Arkady said:
Given the increasing lifespans, his age would be roughly in line with plenty of earlier generations of presidents. Reagan was about to turn 70, and we've had 36 years of scientific advances since then. That has pushed life expectancy for a 70-year-old up by about two and a half years, and has had an even bigger impact on the general health of people in that age range. Similarly, Harrison was 68, and that was 175 years ago. Back then, a 70-year-old could expect to live about 10 years. Today it's about 14 years. Biden's age would be a legitimate issue, and would put added emphasis on who he chooses for VP, but it needn't be disqualifying. If he's willing to disclose his medical records, and they look good, I think he could still be elected.

That said, I'd rather see Hillary Clinton. She's old, too, but I think she's temperamentally better suited for the job, and she strikes me as smarter. Deval Patrick's another interesting idea, though maybe he's too liberal to win.
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Some folks out here are talking up the Democratic Governor of Colorado, John Hickenlooper. Young, telegenic, smart. Might not be liberal enough for your tastes, Arkady, but that would make him more electable.
 
Wasn't BHO the youngest President ever when he was first elected? Race,gender,age,national origin,religious affiliation and sexual orientation are barriers within the GOP but not in the Democratic Party.
 
bdtex said:
76 on Election Day 2016 is too old? Right now his health is really good.
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I didn't say it was impossible, merely improbable. I would be concerned about his mental acuity at that age, considering that the job could last for 8 years. In hindsight, Reagan was obviously too old when he took office. Joe would be more than a puppet reading lines for his handlers if he were to become President, so his cognitive agility would be even more of an issue than it is with a typical Republican President.
 
I can only hope they will run Biden. Pit old white dude against old white dude, and it takes some of the pizzaz out of it. Not to mention he is just such an ass. He will supply endless lists of gaffes and we can attack him at will without the fear of being labled as some sort of bigot. It will be even better if we can bring one of these younger more dynamic not so white guys up to snuff by then.
 
NightSwimmer said:
I didn't say it was impossible, merely improbable. I would be concerned about his mental acuity at that age, considering that the job could last for 8 years. In hindsight, Reagan was obviously too old when he took office. Joe would be more than a puppet reading lines for his handlers if he were to become President, so his cognitive agility would be even more of an issue than it is with a typical Republican President.
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I agree. I think it would be much SMARTER for the Democratic Party to be looking for a younger candidate. And I say that as a person who instinctively LIKES Joe.
 
My guess is that Biden won't be running. Another of my guesses is that Sec. of State Clinton WILL be running. But, it's not in her's or anyone else's (but for the Fox/GOP) interest for her to be running for the entire next four years.

To the extent that Biden may feint at running, I think it will only be to throw the Fox/GOPs off Clinton's trail for awhile.
 
Pit old white dude against old white dude

Our old white dude is real. Yours will be another born-rich, dull-normal blowhard with a famous name, no accomplishments to speak of and no history of ever risking anything to make his money or serve his country.
 
LeRoy_Was_Here said:
I agree. I think it would be much SMARTER for the Democratic Party to be looking for a younger candidate. And I say that as a person who instinctively LIKES Joe.
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I like Joe too. I got to know more about him when my daughter lived in Delaware. He's a good guy and one of our most prominent and respected elder statesmen. The caricature that the RW media has attempted to create regarding Joe is so off-base that it is absurd. I don't doubt that he could easily win if he were the candidate in 2016.
 
When we lefters joked about Li'l George's obtuseness, it tended to make the "average Joe" like him all the more. And, when the Foxsters joke about Joe's presumptive obtuseness, it only endears him more, to the average Joe.

In other words, most people knew what Li'l George was gettin' at with his "Bushisms", just as they know where Joe's comin' from with his "gaffes".
 
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