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Clinton Emails 'bombshell'...

Corruptbuddha

Corruptbuddha

Governor
...seems that classified emails were forwarded from Huma to Wiener's computer. Now, can anyone explain why these two aren't in jail?

“Somehow, her emails were being forwarded to Anthony Weiner, including classified information,” Comey said. The director defended his decision to notify Congress that he had reopened the Clinton email probe just days before the election, saying he was forced to choose between saying something or concealing what he knew — or, as he put it, “between really bad and catastrophic.’’
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...aa_story.html?utm_term=.839f3d210bc9#comments

And now we know why he notified Congress. The real question is why aren't people who were trafficking CLASSIFIED information locked up?
 
this was published last summer, but went nowhere. the open question at that time was "how could this happen". the theory - at that time - was that some DNC geek squad techie set huma's work laptop to back up to her home laptop.

the revelation of the copied emails led to discovery/investigation of weiner for pedophilia.

I'm not sure why the emails weren't published (huma's and Hilary's, not wieners). they need to be.
 
Corruptbuddha said:
...seems that classified emails were forwarded from Huma to Wiener's computer. Now, can anyone explain why these two aren't in jail?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...aa_story.html?utm_term=.839f3d210bc9#comments

And now we know why he notified Congress. The real question is why aren't people who were trafficking CLASSIFIED information locked up?
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That is the real question. They should certainly be in jail or at least have been prosecuted. There willingness to break the law was in that they KNEW the law and still did what they did. If high level people do not know what the law is then we are in real trouble. They just simply didn't care and or Hillary is such a b!tch to work for, that Huma would have done anything to keep her happy.
 
Corruptbuddha said:
...seems that classified emails were forwarded from Huma to Wiener's computer. Now, can anyone explain why these two aren't in jail?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...aa_story.html?utm_term=.839f3d210bc9#comments

And now we know why he notified Congress. The real question is why aren't people who were trafficking CLASSIFIED information locked up?
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I find it odd that such simple concepts still have to be explained to the right-wingers after all this time. The mere fact that emails containing classified information were forwarded by someone on an unsecured system does not, in itself, mean the forwarder committed a crime.

Here, I'll walk you through it. Let's say you have some level of security clearance, And let's say you and I are having a history argument about whether or not US intelligence had a good handle on the political situation in China leading up to the Korean War. In order to argue they didn't, I upload a document here showing that the CIA predicted China wouldn't interfere in the war, just twelve days before they did. Let's say I got it from a published volume the State Department puts out of old memos, etc. You want to take a closer look later, and so you forward the document to your home computer where you can print it out. You don't realize it, but you just emailed a classified document to an unsecured server. It turns out that the document you sent yourself was one of a huge number that were re-classified:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2006/02/secret_again.html

Should you be in jail? Obviously not. You didn't know the information was classified, and there's no reason you should have known it. There was no evidence you intended to to anything wrong. Why would you have expected that the previously published document I uploaded, showing nothing but some internal communications from nearly eighty years ago was classified? You acted innocently.

That's the situation we had with the Clinton emails, and with these new ones as well. Abedin and Weiner were investigated for possibly mishandling the material, and then investigators dropped it because they couldn't show intent. Partisan hacks want them jailed, anyway, since they're Democrats, but it's entirely possible neither did anything wrong. Just because you send an email with classified information in it doesn't mean you meant to email classified information.
 
connieb said:
That is the real question. They should certainly be in jail or at least have been prosecuted.
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Why? They were investigated. It appears there was no evidence that they intended to do anything wrong, and since intent is an element of the crime in question, shouldn't it end there? Why bring a prosecution that's not only unjustified and abusive, but doomed to failure?
 
Because the Clintons didn't think they had done anything wrong because they are the f in Clintons and can do whatever they want!!!

They simply are above the law and anyone who doesn't understand that is a dummy.

Coney proved it.

SB
 
Arkady said:
Why? They were investigated. It appears there was no evidence that they intended to do anything wrong, and since intent is an element of the crime in question, shouldn't it end there? Why bring a prosecution that's not only unjustified and abusive, but doomed to failure?
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Intent being an element of a crime, does not mean they knew and understood the crime, as you well know counselor. It means they intended to take the action - that resulted in the crime.
People have gone to jail for not meaning to kill someone when they punched them for first degree murder. Why? Because - they intended to punch.. after that - what their intent was didn't matter.

connie
 
connieb said:
Intent being an element of a crime, does not mean they knew and understood the crime, as you well know counselor. It means they intended to take the action - that resulted in the crime.
People have gone to jail for not meaning to kill someone when they punched them for first degree murder. Why? Because - they intended to punch.. after that - what their intent was didn't matter.

connie
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In this case, you have to show that they intended to forward classified information. Apparently, prosecutors didn't see evidence to support that.

Think about it honestly. Have you ever forwarded classified information? Are you sure? Maybe at some point you forwarded a selfie of a military buddy and, unknown to you, behind the buddy was a schematic on the wall of his workplace that was classified. Maybe, as in my response to CorruptBuddha, you forwarded some historical document from nearly 70 years ago that you wouldn't have imagined in a million years had been re-classified. Maybe you forwarded some tax documents from a client that included financial details of government contracting work that was actually classified and shouldn't have been shared with you. Etc. Should the mere fact you intended to forward the email, and that the email (unbeknownst to you) contained classified information, mean that you go to jail?
 
as seen on tv said:
this was published last summer, but went nowhere. the open question at that time was "how could this happen". the theory - at that time - was that some DNC geek squad techie set huma's work laptop to back up to her home laptop.

the revelation of the copied emails led to discovery/investigation of weiner for pedophilia.

I'm not sure why the emails weren't published (huma's and Hilary's, not wieners). they need to be.
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I only hope the investigators took the proper biohazard protective measures when handling Carlos Danger's faptop.
 
Arkady said:
In this case, you have to show that they intended to forward classified information. Apparently, prosecutors didn't see evidence to support that.

Think about it honestly. Have you ever forwarded classified information? Are you sure? Maybe at some point you forwarded a selfie of a military buddy and, unknown to you, behind the buddy was a schematic on the wall of his workplace that was classified. Maybe, as in my response to CorruptBuddha, you forwarded some historical document from nearly 70 years ago that you wouldn't have imagined in a million years had been re-classified. Maybe you forwarded some tax documents from a client that included financial details of government contracting work that was actually classified and shouldn't have been shared with you. Etc. Should the mere fact you intended to forward the email, and that the email (unbeknownst to you) contained classified information, mean that you go to jail?
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Yes, they intended to forward classified information - it was forwarded, and it was marked as classified.

Pretty simple. Comey is arguing that they intended to break the law. That is not, nor is it ever actually part of the intent standard, as you and others well know.

It is your job to know, particularly when your entire job revolves around handling sensitive material - to know what is and what is not classified and my contacts in the NSA and CIA tell me that - the default is to treat everything as classified, that is how they are trained. So while you or I may make that mistake. Someone with years in gov't with security clearances should NEVER make that mistake.
 
connieb said:
Yes, they intended to forward classified information - it was forwarded, and it was marked as classified.

Pretty simple. Comey is arguing that they intended to break the law. That is not, nor is it ever actually part of the intent standard, as you and others well know.

It is your job to know, particularly when your entire job revolves around handling sensitive material - to know what is and what is not classified and my contacts in the NSA and CIA tell me that - the default is to treat everything as classified, that is how they are trained. So while you or I may make that mistake. Someone with years in gov't with security clearances should NEVER make that mistake.
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Any good "lawyer" would tell you, regardless of intent, that ignorance of the law is no excuse.
 
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Arkady said:
I find it odd that such simple concepts still have to be explained to the right-wingers after all this time. The mere fact that emails containing classified information were forwarded by someone on an unsecured system does not, in itself, mean the forwarder committed a crime.

Here, I'll walk you through it. Let's say you have some level of security clearance, And let's say you and I are having a history argument about whether or not US intelligence had a good handle on the political situation in China leading up to the Korean War. In order to argue they didn't, I upload a document here showing that the CIA predicted China wouldn't interfere in the war, just twelve days before they did. Let's say I got it from a published volume the State Department puts out of old memos, etc. You want to take a closer look later, and so you forward the document to your home computer where you can print it out. You don't realize it, but you just emailed a classified document to an unsecured server. It turns out that the document you sent yourself was one of a huge number that were re-classified:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2006/02/secret_again.html

Should you be in jail? Obviously not. You didn't know the information was classified, and there's no reason you should have known it. There was no evidence you intended to to anything wrong. Why would you have expected that the previously published document I uploaded, showing nothing but some internal communications from nearly eighty years ago was classified? You acted innocently.

That's the situation we had with the Clinton emails, and with these new ones as well. Abedin and Weiner were investigated for possibly mishandling the material, and then investigators dropped it because they couldn't show intent. Partisan hacks want them jailed, anyway, since they're Democrats, but it's entirely possible neither did anything wrong. Just because you send an email with classified information in it doesn't mean you meant to email classified information.
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And I can't beleive you would type such a screed without knowing what you're talking about.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/798

(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates, furnishes, transmits, or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes, or uses in any manner prejudicial to the safety or interest of the United States or for the benefit of any foreign government to the detriment of the United States any classified information—
(1)
concerning the nature, preparation, or use of any code, cipher, or cryptographic system of the United States or any foreign government; or
(2)
concerning the design, construction, use, maintenance, or repair of any device, apparatus, or appliance used or prepared or planned for use by the United States or any foreign government for cryptographic or communication intelligence purposes; or
(3)
concerning the communication intelligence activities of the United States or any foreign government; or
(4)
obtained by the processes of communication intelligence from the communications of any foreign government, knowing the same to have been obtained by such processes—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
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Were the documents WILLFULLY communicated? Yes.
Was Wiener authorized to receive said documents? NO

A clear violation of law.

You'll notice that statute makes ZERO MENTION of 'intent'.
 
Arkady said:
In this case, you have to show that they intended to forward classified information. Apparently, prosecutors didn't see evidence to support that.

Think about it honestly. Have you ever forwarded classified information? Are you sure? Maybe at some point you forwarded a selfie of a military buddy and, unknown to you, behind the buddy was a schematic on the wall of his workplace that was classified. Maybe, as in my response to CorruptBuddha, you forwarded some historical document from nearly 70 years ago that you wouldn't have imagined in a million years had been re-classified. Maybe you forwarded some tax documents from a client that included financial details of government contracting work that was actually classified and shouldn't have been shared with you. Etc. Should the mere fact you intended to forward the email, and that the email (unbeknownst to you) contained classified information, mean that you go to jail?
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There's an American sailor in jail for that very thing RIGHT NOW!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...otos-of-classified-areas-of-nuclear-submarine

He had no 'intent' to disseminate classified information, but he DID. But he made a huge mistake....he's not named Clinton.
 
Bugsy McGurk said:
If your underlings commit crimes that means you have committed crimes? Daft.

Not that Huma has even been charged with a crime.

That's quite the "bombshell" you have there.

;-)
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The question is - Did Hillary know that Huma was passing classified information to her husband to 'print'?

She might not have...since she was running the most inept campaign in history.
 
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