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Cover Up

MaryAnne

MaryAnne

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Have been listening to the discussion on the Catholic Church,and how this involves not only Religion,but all faces of Organizations.

Cover up seems to be the name of the game. In all Religions. They are never called to account for their sins. I include the lying of Government in this. Banks ,no one charged ,even the agencies supposed to be over seeing them.,lying us into war.Also the media. How long can we go on this way?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marci-hamilton/is-penn-state-the-catholi_b_1082595.html

And, please do not give me the stock,Republican/ Democrat response.It is all invasive.Look at those re-elected,even after they admit serious crimes.
 
MaryAnne said:
Have been listening to the discussion on the Catholic Church,and how this involves not only Religion,but all faces of Organizations.

Cover up seems to be the name of the game. In all Religions. They are never called to account for their sins. I include the lying of Government in this. Banks ,no one charged ,even the agencies supposed to be over seeing them.,lying us into war.Also the media. How long can we go on this way?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marci-hamilton/is-penn-state-the-catholi_b_1082595.html

And, please do not give me the stock,Republican/ Democrat response.It is all invasive.Look at those re-elected,even after they admit serious crimes.
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The Conservative leader, one time PM, before Thatch', Edward Heath. had a yacht moored in the Channel Isles, it was allegedly Jimmy Savelle who allegedly bought him young boys there to allegedly abuse. The Met Police caught him loitering in Public toilets, the PM !, and warned him to stop more than once, allegedly. Heath gave us Thatch' whose father was allegedly The Village paedophile. I think it is what they really meant by the 'trickle down effect', jobs for their 'friends' and their 'friends' 'friends'. ( There are all sorts 100 year Secret Orders on things here but this Gov have made an enemy of the Police Force and I think a really huge scandal is about to hit this Parliament off its feet ? we shall see )

But when we look at the Powerful ones in the World, over our life times, many look as though their sexual tastes are ..............well not wholesome shall we say ? Rumsfeld ? Cheney !!!!!!!!!! And the Press always know, they always know and keep such things quiet 'cos they too have 'friends' of 'friends' and want to keep their jobs because they have families too feed.

It is a rotten old World MA :(


Did you know that giving up hope, hopelessness, is a sin under Islam ? I rather like that :) xxxx
 
Queen Titania said:
The Conservative leader, one time PM, before Thatch', Edward Heath. had a yacht moored in the Channel Isles, it was allegedly Jimmy Savelle who allegedly bought him young boys there to allegedly abuse. The Met Police caught him loitering in Public toilets, the PM !, and warned him to stop more than once, allegedly. Heath gave us Thatch' whose father was allegedly The Village paedophile. I think it is what they really meant by the 'trickle down effect', jobs for their 'friends' and their 'friends' 'friends'. ( There are all sorts 100 year Secret Orders on things here but this Gov have made an enemy of the Police Force and I think a really huge scandal is about to hit this Parliament off its feet ? we shall see )

But when we look at the Powerful ones in the World, over our life times, many look as though their sexual tastes are ..............well not wholesome shall we say ? Rumsfeld ? Cheney !!!!!!!!!! And the Press always know, they always know and keep such things quiet 'cos they too have 'friends' of 'friends' and want to keep their jobs because they have families too feed.

It is a rotten old World MA :(


Did you know that giving up hope, hopelessness, is a sin under Islam ? I rather like that :) xxxx
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Yes,Queenie, and you will notice,I had no answers to what I asked! All,but you,who understands the real problems of cover ups all around. Like your Children's show Host! that dirty old man was just like the Priests in the Church,the Coach at Penn State and no one risked their necks to tell the trut!

Where do we begin? having worked with local Government years ago,it begins at the bottom of the food chain!
 
NightSwimmer said:
Did you know that Christianity considers worrying a sin?
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New one to me,Night! Sure,you can have faith in a Higher Power,but that does not mean all your worldly cares are solved!

That was not my question about how we begin to solve the problems Queenie and I described. God does not come down and solve the man made problems.We have to do that.
 
MaryAnne said:
Yes,Queenie, and you will notice,I had no answers to what I asked! All,but you,who understands the real problems of cover ups all around. Like your Children's show Host! that dirty old man was just like the Priests in the Church,the Coach at Penn State and no one risked their necks to tell the trut!

Where do we begin? having worked with local Government years ago,it begins at the bottom of the food chain!
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Jimmie Savelle had a flat in Broadmoor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadmoor_Hospital

and keys to come and go as he pleased. Unheard of, incomprehensible. He had many friends in high places MA. The Press knew, the Police knew, he was, in his life time, untouchable. There is nothing little yous and mes can do about such people. I don't think we can blame little people for not speaking out, who would listen, especially knowing now that 'they' all knew anyway ? What would happen to them ? If anyone ever tries to say anything about the Savilles or the Heaths they don't get very far.

Where do we begin ? Why, at the beginning of course, MA :) Little steps xxx
 
I guess these questions came about this morning,Queenie,is they had a show on MSNBC about the cover up in the Catholic Church. All were Catholics,and they all came to the conclusion the only remedy for the Church was all,who covered up,or committed these sins agianst boys,should admit they did and leave the Church.

I was surprised to hear that 77% of claimed Catholics now attend Church. I could never belong to an Organization where the leaders struts around in a gold embossed Palace with gold embroideried robes on,and tells others what to do with their personal life. Something they do not do.

In Germany they took over 300,000 members off the roles because they refused to tithe. What does that have to do with faith?

Protestant Churches are losing,too because many of them have become simply money makers.I just talked to a friend,who did not go to Church this morning because for the next 10 weeks they are preaching on giving! Know why,they want 10 million to build onto an already huge Church!

I know Churches need money to survive.That is different.
 
MaryAnne said:
I guess these questions came about this morning,Queenie,is they had a show on MSNBC about the cover up in the Catholic Church. All were Catholics,and they all came to the conclusion the only remedy for the Church was all,who covered up,or committed these sins agianst boys,should admit they did and leave the Church.

I was surprised to hear that 77% of claimed Catholics now attend Church. I could never belong to an Organization where the leaders struts around in a gold embossed Palace with gold embroideried robes on,and tells others what to do with their personal life. Something they do not do.

In Germany they took over 300,000 members off the roles because they refused to tithe. What does that have to do with faith?

Protestant Churches are losing,too because many of them have become simply money makers.I just talked to a friend,who did not go to Church this morning because for the next 10 weeks they are preaching on giving! Know why,they want 10 million to build onto an already huge Church!

I know Churches need money to survive.That is different.
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It has come down from the Roman Empire MaryAnne an extraordinary collossus .extraordinary ........I listened to a nice program about the retiring Pa Pa as the Italians call him the other evening, it is all rather fascinating. But no give me the good old boring old Church of England any day.

This is 'my' Church, 13th century, I used sit in there sometimes with one of my dogs, no one minds the door is always open :)

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The Romans were in these parts ..........a bus ride away is Chichester, it still has Roman remains in it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chichester_Cathedral

I love it and can light candles there tooooooooo :) That's the best thing about Catholic Churches you can light candles and drink wine :)

If I was a Christian I suppose I would be Quaker or Gnostic but I wouldn't give any money I didn't feel good about I don't think.I always do give on the few occasions I go to Church but every week !!!!!! I am as poor as a church mouse MA ! :)

The yew tree behind our little Church

awww.monumentaltrees.com_db_04_600_04785.jpg


You could live in it and I don't think it would ask for money :)
 
MaryAnne said:
I guess these questions came about this morning,Queenie,is they had a show on MSNBC about the cover up in the Catholic Church. All were Catholics,and they all came to the conclusion the only remedy for the Church was all,who covered up,or committed these sins against boys,should admit they did and leave the Church.

I was surprised to hear that 77% of claimed Catholics now attend Church. I could never belong to an Organization where the leaders struts around in a gold embossed Palace with gold embroidered robes on,and tells others what to do with their personal life. Something they do not do.

In Germany they took over 300,000 members off the roles because they refused to tithe. What does that have to do with faith?

Protestant Churches are losing,too because many of them have become simply money makers.I just talked to a friend,who did not go to Church this morning because for the next 10 weeks they are preaching on giving! Know why,they want 10 million to build onto an already huge Church!

I know Churches need money to survive.That is different.
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Well I haven't much time for religion, esp the catholics. I remember going to the bar after Sunday morning church let out and the bar owners in town open the back door for the locals to come and drink a little, (highly against the law) but done. The religious guys would sit there going over who was the best and worst catholics as they went over the two or three pages of who gave to the church. They would build themselves up and tear down others who didn't give what they did.
My X-wife when we were trying to put our marriage back together talked me into going to the local priest, and he told me point blank that adultery wasn't a big sin, that hypocrisy was much worse. I looked at him and said how hypocritical is sleeping with someone else other than your partner, while being married. He said it's not a big sin.

God don't make you do anything, but he allows you to do anything. People make choices in our/their liefs, god doesn't do it.

When a church or a govt or the police or a person allows corruption/bad behavior, it makes them look bad and anyone who covers that up, or accepts it as oh it's just a way of life, is just as bad as the one who does the behavior.
 
Queen Titania said:
I wish someone would tell my daughter that ..........God, she and my sister worry for the World. They drive me nuts !
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That is the fate of the young,Queenie. As you get older you realize the things you spend so much time worrying about are the things that never happen.:)
 
Queen Titania said:
It has come down from the Roman Empire MaryAnne an extraordinary collossus .extraordinary ........I listened to a nice program about the retiring Pa Pa as the Italians call him the other evening, it is all rather fascinating. But no give me the good old boring old Church of England any day.

This is 'my' Church, 13th century, I used sit in there sometimes with one of my dogs, no one minds the door is always open :)

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The Romans were in these parts ..........a bus ride away is Chichester, it still has Roman remains in it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chichester_Cathedral

I love it and can light candles there tooooooooo :) That's the best thing about Catholic Churches you can light candles and drink wine :)

If I was a Christian I suppose I would be Quaker or Gnostic but I wouldn't give any money I didn't feel good about I don't think.I always do give on the few occasions I go to Church but every week !!!!!! I am as poor as a church mouse MA ! :)

The yew tree behind our little Church

awww.monumentaltrees.com_db_04_600_04785.jpg


You could live in it and I don't think it would ask for money :)
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Thank you,Queenie! I missed this first time around!

What is sad is what man has done to the Churches! I include the Protestant Churches in this. Most are corrupt to the core!
 
888888 said:
Well I haven't much time for religion, esp the catholics. I remember going to the bar after Sunday morning church let out and the bar owners in town open the back door for the locals to come and drink a little, (highly against the law) but done. The religious guys would sit there going over who was the best and worst catholics as they went over the two or three pages of who gave to the church. They would build themselves up and tear down others who didn't give what they did.
My X-wife when we were trying to put our marriage back together talked me into going to the local priest, and he told me point blank that adultery wasn't a big sin, that hypocrisy was much worse. I looked at him and said how hypocritical is sleeping with someone else other than your partner, while being married. He said it's not a big sin.

God don't make you do anything, but he allows you to do anything. People make choices in our/their liefs, god doesn't do it.

When a church or a govt or the police or a person allows corruption/bad behavior, it makes them look bad and anyone who covers that up, or accepts it as oh it's just a way of life, is just as bad as the one who does the behavior.
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The main reason I did not join the Catholic Church when pushed, much of my family were Catholics, and they were the biggest drunks around. Once I began to do research into the Church,the tenets,and the facts I could not accept any man between me and God! I feel that is a direct line:)

I have also found a break between Roger Williams,founder of the Baptist faith,and what the Church Leaders believe today! Roger made sure there was separation of Church and State. I am a strong believer in that,too!
 
MaryAnne said:
I guess these questions came about this morning,Queenie,is they had a show on MSNBC about the cover up in the Catholic Church. All were Catholics,and they all came to the conclusion the only remedy for the Church was all,who covered up,or committed these sins agianst boys,should admit they did and leave the Church.

I was surprised to hear that 77% of claimed Catholics now attend Church. I could never belong to an Organization where the leaders struts around in a gold embossed Palace with gold embroideried robes on,and tells others what to do with their personal life. Something they do not do.

In Germany they took over 300,000 members off the roles because they refused to tithe. What does that have to do with faith?

Protestant Churches are losing,too because many of them have become simply money makers.I just talked to a friend,who did not go to Church this morning because for the next 10 weeks they are preaching on giving! Know why,they want 10 million to build onto an already huge Church!

I know Churches need money to survive.That is different.
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The Catholic church is one of the largest businesses in the world.

Having said that, there is good in the Catholic church, much more so than bad. But you can never forget it is a business first.
 
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