Credit Where Credit Is Due...

[middleview]

NO, it was about how to effectuate an election across a vast landscape in horse and buggy days. Well, actually even before that. More like horse and carriage days. The details for better or worse bought mind share into the experiment our beautiful and long live founding documents offer us in posterity. Our exceptionalism. One day yours and MV perspective may yet mature. Hard to do in an environment of increasingly juvenile adults.

Slavery and the Electoral College, constitutional history, political representation

Explore the connections between slavery and the Electoral College, uncovering historical impacts and their relevance in today's political landscape.

billofrightsinstitute.org

 

[Halo]

Slavery and the Electoral College, constitutional history, political representation

Explore the connections between slavery and the Electoral College, uncovering historical impacts and their relevance in today's political landscape.

billofrightsinstitute.org

Electors were elected and sent to DC to cast their votes for president. It was how it was decided to vote across a vast geography in the time of horse and carriage and before telegraphs. The representative tweaks to it were not the motivating factor to its inception. You do understand that, right?

 

[middleview]

Electors were elected and sent to DC to cast their votes for president. It was how it was decided to vote across a vast geography in the time of horse and carriage and before telegraphs. The representative tweaks to it were not the motivating factor to its inception. You do understand that, right?

Tweeks? Like counting slaves?

 

[Halo]

Tweeks? Like counting slaves?

You're such a righteous virtue signaler. Thank you for such a magnificent display of valorous virtue. Are you okay taking the moral high ground? Wouldn't want you to faint at such oxygen deprived heights after all. We can't afford to lose you. ;0)

 

[middleview]

You're such a righteous virtue signaler. Thank you for such a magnificent display of valorous virtue. Are you okay taking the moral high ground? Wouldn't want you to faint at such oxygen deprived heights after all. We can't afford to lose you. ;0)

Has nothing at all to do with moral high ground. It has to do with just how obsolete the Electoral College is. Whether it is due to limitations of translortation or a compromise with slave states...

 

[Halo]

Has nothing at all to do with moral high ground. It has to do with just how obsolete the Electoral College is. Whether it is due to limitations of translortation or a compromise with slave states...

It has historical value. It adds texture and culture to our civilization. It reminds us where we came from (both good and bad). It has at least as much residual value as an appendix or tonsils. You might not value their function because you don't know their function.

The college is a system that allows what would be larger and smaller nation states to coexist in a federated form as a single nation of reasonably equal states. And again it will get you to the flip side of a solar EMP or other like incident.

It is naive for would be fascists to end the college, pack the courts, stop the speaking filibuster, add term limits, or have a winner take all system among what could break up into nation states.

Every change is a moron's errand. I'd say fool but that would be too kind.

 

[EatTheRich]

It has historical value. It adds texture and culture to our civilization. It reminds us where we came from (both good and bad). It has at least as much residual value as an appendix or tonsils. You might not value their function because you don't know their function.

The college is a system that allows what would be larger and smaller nation states to coexist in a federated form as a single nation of reasonably equal states. And again it will get you to the flip side of a solar EMP or other like incident.

It is naive for would be fascists to end the college, pack the courts, stop the speaking filibuster, add term limits, or have a winner take all system among what could break up into nation states.

Every change is a moron's errand. I'd say fool but that would be too kind.

The idea of a federation of “reasonably equal states” is a holdover from feudalism that elevates special privilege at the expense of individual dignity. I often don’t like the idea of term limits because they tend to be anti-democratic but they have been instituted before to remedy defects in the original constitution. The size of the courts have changed to remedy defects in the original constitution. These are among many democratic reforms that have brought our country closer to the ideals of consent of the governed and equality of all before the law.

I like the analogy of an appendix or tonsils because what you are resisting is excision of a vestigial organ that is dangerously infected and potentially fatal to the health of the body republic if not removed. Because you subjectively find its quaintness charming.

 

[Halo]

The idea of a federation of “reasonably equal states” is a holdover from feudalism that elevates special privilege at the expense of individual dignity. I often don’t like the idea of term limits because they tend to be anti-democratic but they have been instituted before to remedy defects in the original constitution. The size of the courts have changed to remedy defects in the original constitution. These are among many democratic reforms that have brought our country closer to the ideals of consent of the governed and equality of all before the law.

I like the analogy of an appendix or tonsils because what you are resisting is excision of a vestigial organ that is dangerously infected and potentially fatal to the health of the body republic if not removed. Because you subjectively find its quaintness charming.

Vestigial you say? See, if you are wrong about that, what else could you be wrong about? Maybe the fact that smaller states might rightly reject your larger state values? Fine you let them go their way and you take yours. Not a thing fascists would reasonably accept. They'd go all commie on your small state ass. ha ha

AI Overview

Tonsils are two small, fleshy masses of lymphoid tissue located at the back of your throat that act as part of your immune system's frontline defense. [1, 2]

What They Do

• • Trap Germs: They sit near the entrance of your respiratory and digestive tracts, where deep folds called crypts catch incoming bacteria, viruses, and foreign particles from the air you breathe and food you eat. [1, 2]
  • Monitor Threats: Immune cells inside the tonsils constantly scan trapped materials to detect potential infections. [1]
  • Fight Infection: When they spot a pathogen, they produce white blood cells and antibodies to trigger an immune response and stop the infection from spreading deeper into your body. [1, 2]

You have different types of tonsils—including your palatine tonsils (the ones you can see in the mirror) and adenoids—which form a protective circle around your throat known as Waldeyer’s ring

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The appendix is a small, finger-shaped pouch attached to the cecum (the beginning of the large intestine) in the lower right side of the abdomen. Though once considered a useless evolutionary leftover, modern research shows it serves two main functions: [1, 2]

1. Safe House for Beneficial Gut Bacteria

• • Microbial Reservoir: The appendix acts as a biological safe house or storage depot for good gut microbes. [1, 2]
  • Repopulation: If a severe illness like dysentery or cholera flushes out the digestive system, the bacteria safely sheltered in the appendix can emerge to help rebuild and rebalance the gut microbiome. [1, 2, 3]

2. Immune System Support

• • Lymphoid Tissue: The walls of the appendix contain dense clusters of white blood cells and immune tissue (gut-associated lymphoid tissue, or GALT). [1, 2]
  • Antibody Production: It helps train the immune system and produces antibodies like immunoglobulin A (IgA), which defends the lining of the digestive tract against harmful pathogens and toxins.

 

[middleview]

It has historical value. It adds texture and culture to our civilization. It reminds us where we came from (both good and bad). It has at least as much residual value as an appendix or tonsils. You might not value their function because you don't know their function.

The college is a system that allows what would be larger and smaller nation states to coexist in a federated form as a single nation of reasonably equal states. And again it will get you to the flip side of a solar EMP or other like incident.

It is naive for would be fascists to end the college, pack the courts, stop the speaking filibuster, add term limits, or have a winner take all system among what could break up into nation states.

Every change is a moron's errand. I'd say fool but that would be too kind.

Your bizarre word salad in defense of an antiquated and obsolete system which makes election fraud easier comes down to you like it because two republican presidents since 2000 have been elected but lost the popular vote.

1. If we have a massive EMP issue then we can just as easily transport thumb drives to DC as we can transport the electors. That is an idiotic hypothetical.
2. It has been changed a number of times through history. Do you actually want to go back to the original design?
3. The EC does not, in any way, make all states reasonably equal. The Senate does that. Not the president alone.
4. Fascism is about centralizing power....not decentralizing it to the voters.
5. You oppose "Winner take all"? That is exactly how the EC works in all but two states.
6. This has nothing at all to do with the filibuster.

 

[Halo]

Your bizarre word salad in defense of an antiquated and obsolete system which makes election fraud easier comes down to you like it because two republican presidents since 2000 have been elected but lost the popular vote.

1. If we have a massive EMP issue then we can just as easily transport thumb drives to DC as we can transport the electors. That is an idiotic hypothetical.
2. It has been changed a number of times through history. Do you actually want to go back to the original design?
3. The EC does not, in any way, make all states reasonably equal. The Senate does that. Not the president alone.
4. Fascism is about centralizing power....not decentralizing it to the voters.
5. You oppose "Winner take all"? That is exactly how the EC works in all but two states.
6. This has nothing at all to do with the filibuster.

You're so full of crap.

 

[RickWA]

You're so full of crap.

It’s the part where clairvoyant busybody know-it-all leftykooks now divine your motivations for things (without need to ask).

#trustthescience

 

[middleview]

You're so full of crap.

You have failed to answer even one point in my post...too many facts for you?

 

[EatTheRich]

Vestigial you say? See, if you are wrong about that, what else could you be wrong about? Maybe the fact that smaller states might rightly reject your larger state values? Fine you let them go their way and you take yours. Not a thing fascists would reasonably accept. They'd go all commie on your small state ass. ha ha

AI Overview

Tonsils are two small, fleshy masses of lymphoid tissue located at the back of your throat that act as part of your immune system's frontline defense. [1, 2]

What They Do

• • Trap Germs: They sit near the entrance of your respiratory and digestive tracts, where deep folds called crypts catch incoming bacteria, viruses, and foreign particles from the air you breathe and food you eat. [1, 2]
  • Monitor Threats: Immune cells inside the tonsils constantly scan trapped materials to detect potential infections. [1]
  • Fight Infection: When they spot a pathogen, they produce white blood cells and antibodies to trigger an immune response and stop the infection from spreading deeper into your body. [1, 2]

You have different types of tonsils—including your palatine tonsils (the ones you can see in the mirror) and adenoids—which form a protective circle around your throat known as Waldeyer’s ring

================

The appendix is a small, finger-shaped pouch attached to the cecum (the beginning of the large intestine) in the lower right side of the abdomen. Though once considered a useless evolutionary leftover, modern research shows it serves two main functions: [1, 2]

1. Safe House for Beneficial Gut Bacteria

• • Microbial Reservoir: The appendix acts as a biological safe house or storage depot for good gut microbes. [1, 2]
  • Repopulation: If a severe illness like dysentery or cholera flushes out the digestive system, the bacteria safely sheltered in the appendix can emerge to help rebuild and rebalance the gut microbiome. [1, 2, 3]

2. Immune System Support

• • Lymphoid Tissue: The walls of the appendix contain dense clusters of white blood cells and immune tissue (gut-associated lymphoid tissue, or GALT). [1, 2]
  • Antibody Production: It helps train the immune system and produces antibodies like immunoglobulin A (IgA), which defends the lining of the digestive tract against harmful pathogens and toxins.

Certainly Hawaii as an oppressed indigenous nation should have a right to self-determination. I can’t think of another small state that isn’t oppressed more by the local bosses who run the state like feudal lords than by the bigger states.

 

[Halo]

Certainly Hawaii as an oppressed indigenous nation should have a right to self-determination. I can’t think of another small state that isn’t oppressed more by the local bosses who run the state like feudal lords than by the bigger states.

What are you telling me? That the Jewish Democrat governor of Hawaii Josh Green is oppressing the natives? Remember Lahaina? Oprah and the rest?

2023 Hawaii wildfires - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What informs you on so many topics we've discussed is insufficient.

Thanks for playing. Catch you on the next topic. ;0)

 

[Halo]

You have failed to answer even one point in my post...too many facts for you?

Anyone with the empty ball sack trying to change my constitution unlawfully, not via amendment that is, will feel very sorry because rule of law is the only thing tying us up together.

 

[middleview]

Anyone with the empty ball sack trying to change my constitution unlawfully, not via amendment that is, will feel very sorry because rule of law is the only thing tying us up together.

Are you going to vote for Trump in 28? Do you care that he has violated Posse Comitatus or Emoluments? The fact is the Popular Vote compact is entirely within states rights according to the constitution.

 

[middleview]

It’s the part where clairvoyant busybody know-it-all leftykooks now divine your motivations for things (without need to ask).

#trustthescience

One constant here is your own clairvoyant ability to judge the motivations of others...or have you forgotten your history of attacks on other posters?

 

[RickWA]

What are you telling me? That the Jewish Democrat governor of Hawaii Josh Green is oppressing the natives? Remember Lahaina? Oprah and the rest?

2023 Hawaii wildfires - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What informs you on so many topics we've discussed is insufficient.

Thanks for playing. Catch you on the next topic. ;0)

You are mistaken. Lefty is expert across all subject matter - just ask him. Middleview, ETR, and Spamature are among the worst busybody know-it-all offenders…but they ALL can’t shut their traps and lecture you endlessly on ALL matters. During COVID, they ALL posted walls of words about all things pandemic and immunology. When war strikes, the inner Sun Tzu springs into action. Dual pronged attacks, pincer movements, you name it. Discuss the relative longevity of Israel and Palestine?? Make way for the archeological gurus. You want a diatribe about proper failure rates for Elon Musk’s SpaceX rockets? You’re in luck, homey!

As a lifelong chemist, with specific application to tech industries like semiconductor, pharma, biotech, etc… Middleview can’t school me enough on these industries and their larger ecosystems. As a lifelong Christian, nearly every lefty in this forum routinely lectures on proper, sound doctrine - at times [very selectively] citing scripture (and cherry picking out-of-context) to surgically make their predetermined collectivist case. Unsurprisingly, these expert theologians land squarely in the pro-trans, pro-homosexual, bizarre gender, collectivist camp.

There are no humble leftists. That belief system requires a requisite level of adolescent cocksure arrogance and blistering entitlement of the same sort that leads 15-year olds to think they know more than their parents. The prototype is a stunted mid-teen, forever frozen in that phase. It doesn’t help that the vast majority of them in this forum are washed up geezers who don’t work, and spend all of their final years foolishly advocating for coercive, nanny-state politics.

The trait of busybody know-it-all, Karen-expert translates to any and all issues discussed.

 

[BlueNY22]

Anyone with the empty ball sack trying to change my constitution unlawfully, not via amendment that is, will feel very sorry because rule of law is the only thing tying us up together.

Between @middleview & @EatTheRich - you have a demented old man and a coffeehouse communist. Possibly 7 Brain cells working together.
And I'm rounding up.

 

[BlueNY22]

You are mistaken. Lefty is expert across all subject matter - just ask him. Middleview, ETR, and Spamature are among the worst busybody know-it-all offenders…but they ALL can’t shut their traps and lecture you endlessly on ALL matters. During COVID, they ALL posted walls of words about all things pandemic and immunology. When war strikes, the inner Sun Tzu springs into action. Dual pronged attacks, pincer movements, you name it. Discuss the relative longevity of Israel and Palestine?? Make way for the archeological gurus. You want a diatribe about proper failure rates for Elon Musk’s SpaceX rockets? You’re in luck, homey!

As a lifelong chemist, with specific application to tech industries like semiconductor, pharma, biotech, etc… Middleview can’t school me enough on these industries and their larger ecosystems. As a lifelong Christian, nearly every lefty in this forum routinely lectures on proper, sound doctrine - at times [very selectively] citing scripture (and cherry picking out-of-context) to surgically make their predetermined collectivist case. Unsurprisingly, these expert theologians land squarely in the pro-trans, pro-homosexual, bizarre gender, collectivist camp.

There are no humble leftists. That belief system requires a requisite level of adolescent cocksure arrogance and blistering entitlement of the same sort that leads 15-year olds to think they know more than their parents. The prototype is a stunted mid-teen, forever frozen in that phase. It doesn’t help that the vast majority of them in this forum are washed up geezers who don’t work, and spend all of their final years foolishly advocating for coercive, nanny-state politics.

The trait of busybody know-it-all, Karen-expert translates to any and all issues discussed.

I cal them Pseudo-intellectual dependents.
Think they know everything, always wrong & wonder why they need training wheels.