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I've been skeptical about "the wall" since it was first proposed.

any wall that's successful would be obsolete upon completion. we already have "very high" fencing in several areas.

here's what would be more cost effective an easier than a wall:

  • change the penalty for knowingly hiring illegal aliens from "fines" to "mandatory jail time". watch how quickly the hiring dries up
  • deploy the national guard at "popular crossing locations"
  • jail the guides/mules accompanying the migrants
  • forcibly return undocumented migrants THE SAME DAY, after fingerprinting, photographing, an obtaining a DNA sample. issue a written warning that a repeat violation will permanently bar them from any future visa or citizenship
  • Amend the constitution to stop granting citizenship to random foreign kids whose mothers give birth in America. this isn't just a problem with mexico. the Chinese, arabs, and other nations are pulling this stunt now. most nations don't grant citizenship by virtue of where you're born any longer.
 
as seen on tv said:
I've been skeptical about "the wall" since it was first proposed.

any wall that's successful would be obsolete upon completion. we already have "very high" fencing in several areas.

here's what would be more cost effective an easier than a wall:

  • change the penalty for knowingly hiring illegal aliens from "fines" to "mandatory jail time". watch how quickly the hiring dries up
  • deploy the national guard at "popular crossing locations"
  • jail the guides/mules accompanying the migrants
  • forcibly return undocumented migrants THE SAME DAY, after fingerprinting, photographing, an obtaining a DNA sample. issue a written warning that a repeat violation will permanently bar them from any future visa or citizenship
  • Amend the constitution to stop granting citizenship to random foreign kids whose mothers give birth in America. this isn't just a problem with mexico. the Chinese, arabs, and other nations are pulling this stunt now. most nations don't grant citizenship by virtue of where you're born any longer.
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Stop the jobs and welfare and they will self-deport.

(Romney was right again.)
 
Corruptbuddha said:
..that there will actually be a 'wall' built?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/border-wall-house-republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/

If so, do you think asking taxpayers to foot the bill is a good idea?
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If you ever believed their would be a wall. You are an idiot. If you thought there would be wall and Mexico would pay for it. You should not be allowed to hold sharp objects or cross the street without adult supervision.

If you think they can get a bill paying for a wall through both houses of congress. You should be locked up in an insane asylum.
 
Emily said:
https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/Pay_for_the_Wall.pdf
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Dude the internet exist. It has a multitude of way a people can and transfer money from person to person. At best he puts companies like Western Union out of business.

Then he says immigration is a release valve for Mexico's poverty. Cancelling visas and or increasing fees ? How about the wall that you intending to build. I think that is much more of a plug for the release valve he is talking about than visa. Also there is the internet again. Maybe Mexican CEO's will just not come or have their American counterparts come to them. Because it will block the most desperate from immigrating. The wall makes that problem worse for Mexico, not better. So why would they go along with it for that reason ?
 
Corruptbuddha said:
..that there will actually be a 'wall' built?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/border-wall-house-republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/

If so, do you think asking taxpayers to foot the bill is a good idea?
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I don't care if it is a wall, or some other barricade. I personally would prefer an electric fence a la Jurasic Park. But, whatever it is, a physical barricade would be useful. So that when it is breached, the border patrol can immediately find those people and immediately process them for expulsion. I think too it will help curb the drug trade. Not a lot, but a help.
I think symbolically it will be a big thing, too. And that combined with intensive enforcement efforts will be discouraging for illegal immigrants. We want it to seem hard to get here, and stay here.

I think that Congress should pay for it, and we should cut off any and all foreign aid to mexico. I also think that we should tax mexicans living in this country who are not yet citizens and I also like the idea of an excise tax on money being wired into mexico. I think we could recoup the money from the wall that way.

But, the reality is - despite the campaign rhetoric, the wall was going to be contracted for and built by the American gov't.. and paid for by them. But, getting it out of mexico ( and mexican's) after the fact, is equivalent to "mexico paying for the wall".
 
No, I don't think the wall Trump has in mind/described in his campaign rhetoric will be built. The so called deficit hawks will oppose it along with the taxpayers.

How funding Donald Trump’s border wall could go south real quickly for Republicans
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ickly-for-republicans/?utm_term=.a18eec45be30

Bad Math Props Up Trump’s Border Wall
Set aside the questions of whether it’s wise to put a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border or who should pay for it. It simply can’t be done at the price Donald Trump has claimed.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602494/bad-math-props-up-trumps-border-wall/
 
Dawg said:
We pay to keep up 10's of millions of illegals or a WALL...............I'd rather pay for the WALL.............

actually, I'd rather not pay for either, but, appears going to have to pay for one or the other.
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would be interesting to see a financial study of the 11 million illegals and what they cost compared to the average US legal citizen in taxpayer money.

I say this having no idea what those numbers would show.
 
Spamature said:
If you ever believed their would be a wall. You are an idiot. If you thought there would be wall and Mexico would pay for it. You should not be allowed to hold sharp objects or cross the street without adult supervision.

If you think they can get a bill paying for a wall through both houses of congress. You should be locked up in an insane asylum.
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Already have ......guess you're wrong again!

In 2006, scores of Democrats, including Schumer, Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), and Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) voted for George W. Bush’s wall. Two-thirds of the Republican-led House approved the bill, including 64 Democrats, and 80 of 100 senators approved the bill in the Senate. Then Sens. Barack Obama, Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton were among the 26 Democrats who approved the bill. Supporters also included Sen. Chuck Schumer, who is set to take over leadership of the Senate for Democrats in 2016.

Other Democrats in the Senate who voted for the wall in 2006 are Sens. Barbara Boxer (CA), Sherrod Brown (OH — then in the House), Tom Carper (DE), Dianne Feinstein (CA), Barbara Mikulski (MD), Bill Nelson (FL), Debbie Stabenow (MI), and Ron Wyden (OR).

Done deal Spammy
 
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