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Doesn't someone prance around here citing lower dropout rates...

Maybe it's because they stopped requiring that the kids actually attend school:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3630881/A-look-chronic-absenteeism-America.html

One more of *edited* little memes (about improved student performance under Obama) bites the dust. Gee, that's two in one day.

Maybe I'll go for the "hat trick" in honor of my Pen's Stanley Cup run...
And they've made it illegal in some places to flunk a kid for any reason.
Public schools are a joke.
They are barely up to the standards of day care............and that's what they are. Day care.
 
Maybe it's because they stopped requiring that the kids actually attend school

First, is there some distribution list where you right-wingers get sent links to this particular right-wing UK tabloid? It just seems unlikely that you all happen to be avid readers of the gossip papers overseas. I'm wondering what the distribution path is. Does Breitbart direct you there when they feature a right-wing-friendly story? Whatever it is, it appears to work well for the Daily Mail, just judging by the fact that a nominally UK newspaper spends so much time reporting local US news stories with Republican spin.

Anyway, as for your take on the story, it's obviously not supported by the story. You're suggesting that lower dropout rates are attributable to lower attendance. There's nothing in there to suggest that attendance fell. It's just a measure of where it stands today. Schools might be more or less tolerant of absenteeism than in the past. Nothing in the story provides any guidance of that. The closest we get is that out-of-school suspensions are down 20 percent from two years ago (which means LESS forced absenteeism), and this:

If you're not there, you don't learn, and then you fall behind, you don't pass your classes, you don't get the credits in high school and that's what leads to dropping out​

So, if he's right, and absenteeism leads to dropping out, and dropping out has been declining, what does that suggest about absenteeism?

We can also test the idea by looking at test scores. As you probably are aware, NAEP scores have been rising for lower grades in recent decades, and have held essentially steady for upper grades. That's what we'd expect if the quality of education were improving, but dropout rates were also falling (meaning in the upper grades you're testing a less and less elite group each year). It's not what we'd expect if people were in class less and less often.

Now that you see your errors, would you like to revise your post?
 
First, is there some distribution list where you right-wingers get sent links to this particular right-wing UK tabloid? It just seems unlikely that you all happen to be avid readers of the gossip papers overseas. I'm wondering what the distribution path is. Does Breitbart direct you there when they feature a right-wing-friendly story? Whatever it is, it appears to work well for the Daily Mail, just judging by the fact that a nominally UK newspaper spends so much time reporting local US news stories with Republican spin.

Anyway, as for your take on the story, it's obviously not supported by the story. You're suggesting that lower dropout rates are attributable to lower attendance. There's nothing in there to suggest that attendance fell. It's just a measure of where it stands today. Schools might be more or less tolerant of absenteeism than in the past. Nothing in the story provides any guidance of that. The closest we get is that out-of-school suspensions are down 20 percent from two years ago (which means LESS forced absenteeism), and this:

If you're not there, you don't learn, and then you fall behind, you don't pass your classes, you don't get the credits in high school and that's what leads to dropping out​

So, if he's right, and absenteeism leads to dropping out, and dropping out has been declining, what does that suggest about absenteeism?

We can also test the idea by looking at test scores. As you probably are aware, NAEP scores have been rising for lower grades in recent decades, and have held essentially steady for upper grades. That's what we'd expect if the quality of education were improving, but dropout rates were also falling (meaning in the upper grades you're testing a less and less elite group each year). It's not what we'd expect if people were in class less and less often.

Now that you see your errors, would you like to revise your post?

Lots of media outlets won't publish anything that goes against the "socialism is grand" meme. So there's few outlets where you can get the dissenting view. I found this in a Google search.

The fact is that every single one of your self congratulatory overly verbose odes to progressivism is based on data that is questionable at best, and often outright contradicted by the overwhelming ancillary data flow.
 
The fact is that every single one of your self congratulatory overly verbose odes to progressivism is based on data that is questionable at best, and often outright contradicted by the overwhelming ancillary data flow.

Reread. You implied something that not only was clearly unsupported by the article, but that actually ran directly contrary to what little the article had to say on the subject.
 
First, is there some distribution list where you right-wingers get sent links to this particular right-wing UK tabloid? It just seems unlikely that you all happen to be avid readers of the gossip papers overseas. I'm wondering what the distribution path is. Does Breitbart direct you there when they feature a right-wing-friendly story? Whatever it is, it appears to work well for the Daily Mail, just judging by the fact that a nominally UK newspaper spends so much time reporting local US news stories with Republican spin.

Anyway, as for your take on the story, it's obviously not supported by the story. You're suggesting that lower dropout rates are attributable to lower attendance. There's nothing in there to suggest that attendance fell. It's just a measure of where it stands today. Schools might be more or less tolerant of absenteeism than in the past. Nothing in the story provides any guidance of that. The closest we get is that out-of-school suspensions are down 20 percent from two years ago (which means LESS forced absenteeism), and this:

If you're not there, you don't learn, and then you fall behind, you don't pass your classes, you don't get the credits in high school and that's what leads to dropping out​

So, if he's right, and absenteeism leads to dropping out, and dropping out has been declining, what does that suggest about absenteeism?

We can also test the idea by looking at test scores. As you probably are aware, NAEP scores have been rising for lower grades in recent decades, and have held essentially steady for upper grades. That's what we'd expect if the quality of education were improving, but dropout rates were also falling (meaning in the upper grades you're testing a less and less elite group each year). It's not what we'd expect if people were in class less and less often.

Now that you see your errors, would you like to revise your post?

Ya got anything on "Presidents and people being born in the back of Volvo's"?

Just wondering..... :cool:
 
How about anything on "Presidents and people named Cliff?"
If you care to comment on the subject at hand, feel free. If that would be out of your depth, perhaps you could start some other thread on Volvos, people named Cliff, or whatever else you're interested in.
 
If you care to comment on the subject at hand, feel free. If that would be out of your depth, perhaps you could start some other thread on Volvos, people named Cliff, or whatever else you're interested in.

Geeeeee Whizzzzzz.....ya don't have to get all bent out of shape. I was just wondering since you seem to be full of......ummmm........ya know inane statistical crap that disguises (rather poorly) your own political leanings.

I was honestly just wondering....if you don't like Cliff use Bob? Insert Fords instead of Volvo's......knock yourself out....o_O
 
Maybe it's because they stopped requiring that the kids actually attend school:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3630881/A-look-chronic-absenteeism-America.html

One more of @Arkady 's little memes (about improved student performance under Obama) bites the dust. Gee, that's two in one day.

Maybe I'll go for the "hat trick" in honor of my Pen's Stanley Cup run...

They pulled this same crap years ago when I lived out west. Some loser was running for reelection talking about how under their leadership, test scores had gone up. What they left out was that test standards were lowered- but hey woo hoo test scores were up! Sounds great! And unless you actually pay attention or are a brain dead leftist who believes the piles of dog crap shoveled your way, who's going to notice?
 
Reread. You implied something that not only was clearly unsupported by the article, but that actually ran directly contrary to what little the article had to say on the subject.

Then is it safe to say progressive leftists are particularly mentally unsuited to perceive potential threats? That their innate ideological narcissism inhibits their ability to perceive potential negative outcomes from their policy preferences?

In other words, that they might charge willy nilly into an agenda designed to produce a socialist utopia despite all the warning signs that it only leads to social dystopia and economic failure? Because now I'm thinking you are maybe onto something here...
 
They pulled this same crap years ago when I lived out west. Some loser was running for reelection talking about how under their leadership, test scores had gone up. What they left out was that test standards were lowered- but hey woo hoo test scores were up! Sounds great! And unless you actually pay attention or are a brain dead leftist who believes the piles of dog crap shoveled your way, who's going to notice?

Hey, that shit works (with egg headed academic narcissists):

http://www.autentico.org/oa09330.php
 
First, is there some distribution list where you right-wingers get sent links to this particular right-wing UK tabloid? It just seems unlikely that you all happen to be avid readers of the gossip papers overseas. I'm wondering what the distribution path is. Does Breitbart direct you there when they feature a right-wing-friendly story? Whatever it is, it appears to work well for the Daily Mail, just judging by the fact that a nominally UK newspaper spends so much time reporting local US news stories with Republican spin.
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How about the Washington Post?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...078e1c-2d0d-11e6-b9d5-3c3063f8332c_story.html

When you don't have a good counter-argument, I'm guessing the playbook must tell you to attack the source.
 
Wow.... seriously, I was quite surprised how easily that could have been modified to be a statement about how Central Planning the Obama cartel operates.

Exactly! This is precisely how @Arkady operates. He starts with the presumption what he believes is correct, and then goes and seeks out the cherry picked and/or suspect data to "prove" his case. Maybe it works in court when he's up against some first year associate, but it ain't ever going to work here. It's like he is always shooting his arrow at the wall and then drawing the "bullseye" around it. Exactly the kind of leftist narcissistic messianic bullshit that led these academic economists to their "certitude" that the Soviet economy was firing on all cylinders...
 
Hey, that shit works (with egg headed academic narcissists):

http://www.autentico.org/oa09330.php


The last couple of lines in the piece you cited were these:

At its end in 1991, the Soviet Union was living off Western loans. That couldn't go on forever, and it didn't.


That's rather ominous, considering we are largely living on borrowed money, much of it from China. And perhaps borrowed time as well.
 
The last couple of lines in the piece you cited were these:

At its end in 1991, the Soviet Union was living off Western loans. That couldn't go on forever, and it didn't.


That's rather ominous, considering we are largely living on borrowed money, much of it from China. And perhaps borrowed time as well.

Everybody is:

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I guess "we are all Soviets now???"
 
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