Fake airstrikes?

[middleview]

The fact that you have to go straight to the "hate" card reveals an inability to have a meaningful, intelligent debate.

I would also diagnose that Obama is certainly not nearly as hard on extremist Muslims and ISIS as he should be. He won't even directly refer to them. Say what you will about Ronald Reagan's economic policies (I personally didn't care for them), but Reagan's foreign policy and strong stances inspired and unified the nation against the USSR. In this aspect, Obama couldn't hold Reagan's jock strap.

It is obvious to me that some posters are completely unable to process the truth it if is at all postive related to Obama. Pointing out that hatred is not at all an impediment to debate the issues.....any more than those who claim I have my head up Obama's ass because I disagree with them are unable to debate. The difference between them and I is that I've included facts in my post and they simply post vitriol.

The moment that Reagan was being sworn in the American Hostages were sitting on the runway in Tehran. All evidence is that Reagan had made a deal with Iran to hold those hostages until Carter was leaving. He subsequently sold them weapons...even after they were implicated in the deaths of 241 marines in Lebanon in 1983.

Reagan sent marines to Lebanon. The rules of engagement were directly responsible for the deaths of 241 marines. He deployed those troops without congressional approval and against unanimous opposition from the JCS. We withdrew 3 months later. There was never any retaliation against Hezbollah, Syria or Iran.....the sponsors of the bombing.

We invaded Grenada in spite of the opposition from our number one ally.
On the morning of Oct. 25, Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher of Britain, which considered itself the ultimate legal authority in Grenada because the island is part of the Commonwealth, warned Reagan that an invasion "will be seen as intervention by a Western country in the internal affairs of a small independent nation, however unattractive its regime."
"She was very adamant and continued to insist that we cancel our landings on Grenada," Reagan later wrote in his autobiography. "I couldn't tell her that it had already begun."

the United Nations passed a resolution condemning the invasion as a "flagrant violation of international law," he brushed it off by saying that the resolution "didn't upset my breakfast at all." Several members of Congress visited Grenada to bask in the glory, among them Rep. Dick Cheney of Wyoming, who said the invasion proved that the United States was once again "steady and reliable."

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/10/25/invasion-grenadaronaldreagan.html

There is no doubt that Reagan had substantial success in negotiating with our enemy, the USSR, to limit nuclear weapons. It was one of the most memorable moments in our history when we could actually have some confidence that we would not engage in a nuclear war. Anyone who was in the "duck and cover" drills would agree.

But let's hold on to the sainthood proclamation, ok.

 

[middleview]

I am not referring to either holy book but to secular history. It is a fairly well-established fact that Mohammed was a ruthless expansionist killer who would sooner behead an opponent as to look at him. There is no comparison whatsoever between he and the persona of Christ who was totally opposite in character.

Having said that I too have found that many Muslims are peaceful people and I know many....that does not eliminate the shadow of their non-toleratoin teaching however unless they themselves come forth openly and denounce it specifically.

You cannot equate Christ and Mohammed. Moses and Mohammed would be closer. Would you care to discuss the conquests of the Jews of the old testament? Think Joshua and the walls of Jericho.

 

[middleview]

Yep 24 more phony, misdirected, misleading air strikes that do nothing but make Isis grow. Are you sure these are airstrikes or are they actually air drops instead??????...while in other news The Russians have conducted REAL ones that have decimated ISIS.

First drop a few bombs...then wait and drop ten boxes of guns and ammo....that way we can call it an airstrike! Need bodies? No problem there are plenty down there to choose from.

HMMMMMMM

By all accounts there were ISIS casualties. In one there 8 ISIS leaders killed in an attack on their HQ. Keep rooting for Putin. Pretend that he has done substantial damage with his 20 planes. By the way....with Putin's help ISIS is on the verge of taking Allepo.

 

[middleview]

It's too late middy.....the cat is out of the Bag and unfortunately your heros in DC left it up to a thug like Putin to expose them totally.

There is no other explanation for the abject failure of one year's worth of bombing raids being totally ineffective when four days worth of Russian Bombing raids were TOTALLY EFFECTIVE.....the only sane explanation is that the original raids were not actually done or they were carefully executed to avoid the stated goal.

I mean look at yourself....you are now grasping at straws seeking desperately to justify an entire year of total logistical failure that just does not make any sense. Or ...actually it does make sense when you consider the Ruse.

JO

The FSA has held Allepo until now. Russian air strikes have weakened them and ISIS is now at the gates of the city. Our raids supporting the Kurds at Kobane were decisive...and please do not throw out your unsupported claim that Syrian government military forces were fighting alongside the Kurds.

Your glowing support for Putin is funny. He's gone to war in Georgia, Chechnya and Ukraine and you give him a pass.

 

[Queen Titania]

I am not referring to either holy book but to secular history. It is a fairly well-established fact that Mohammed was a ruthless expansionist killer who would sooner behead an opponent as to look at him. There is no comparison whatsoever between he and the persona of Christ who was totally opposite in character.

Having said that I too have found that many Muslims are peaceful people and I know many....that does not eliminate the shadow of their non-toleratoin teaching however unless they themselves come forth openly and denounce it specifically.

Islam cannot have a secular history --- because you are what you believe in every facet of your being.

But to take it literally, which is what you are talking about --- is false.

More and more I understand its true message and prophecy --- it told us what would happen if we mixed religion into politics --- sadly it too turned the allegorical into fact.

 

[Queen Titania]

By all accounts there were ISIS casualties. In one there 8 ISIS leaders killed in an attack on their HQ. Keep rooting for Putin. Pretend that he has done substantial damage with his 20 planes. By the way....with Putin's help ISIS is on the verge of taking Allepo.

Keep spouting the Corporates propaganda middleveiw ---- Syria has been attacked by a foreign force and Putin is helping them oust that foreign force from their sovereign Land. America and NATO didn't do that, the decent thing, and you don't question why? Very odd, very very odd --------

 

[Queen Titania]

I've seen no body. Most of the SEALs from that raid were killed a few weeks later. Obama has a clearly documented history of lying his @ss off. I see no reason why people shouldn't be suspicious of any aspect of this raid. That said, I think he was pretty much forced into ordering the raid, was overly concerned about offending Muslims in handling the body and dumped it. I suspect. I certainly wouldn't go to bat for this story.

Bin laden was long dead --- but 'they' were bout to introduce us to ISIL so needed and new 'devil' bin Laden didn't fit the bill, nor any of the actors pretending to be him after his death ( bullet or kidneys?) so they killed him off -------------- Next .......... in the never ending War.

 

[middleview]

Keep spouting the Corporates propaganda middleveiw ---- Syria has been attacked by a foreign force and Putin is helping them oust that foreign force from their sovereign Land. America and NATO didn't do that, the decent thing, and you don't question why? Very odd, very very odd --------

Syria's war involves ISIS, which is both Syrians, Iraqis and a minority of foreign fighters. They are led by former Iraqi army generals from Saddam's army. The Free Syrian Army is largely made up of Syrian army deserters. There are also Syrian and Iraqi Kurds.

The US tried to help South Vietnam repel invaders from another country....The US helped South Korea repel invaders from another country...In both cases were were supporting dictators against dictators. You have expressed vehement opposition to the US in both cases.

In the case of Syria you have a dictator who started the civil war by brutally suppressing demonstrations against his government. It initially started with the opposition being made up completely of Syrians. Since then Iraqis and others have joined in. You are quite the cheerleader for Putin's support for a dictator....interesting conflict of opinion.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

How do you reconcile your comment that Obama has been soft on the terrorists with the fact that we have provided significant air support to the Kurds in Kobane....and that is not the only decisive support we have provided.

I am looking at the big picture. And the fact is, ISIS has grown greatly since Obama took office, ISIS' territory has gained greatly. Whatever he is doing, it's not working.

 

[Queen Titania]

Syria's war involves ISIS, which is both Syrians, Iraqis and a minority of foreign fighters. They are led by former Iraqi army generals from Saddam's army. The Free Syrian Army is largely made up of Syrian army deserters. There are also Syrian and Iraqi Kurds.

The US tried to help South Vietnam repel invaders from another country....The US helped South Korea repel invaders from another country...In both cases were were supporting dictators against dictators. You have expressed vehement opposition to the US in both cases.

In the case of Syria you have a dictator who started the civil war by brutally suppressing demonstrations against his government. It initially started with the opposition being made up completely of Syrians. Since then Iraqis and others have joined in. You are quite the cheerleader for Putin's support for a dictator....interesting conflict of opinion.

ISIL is Wahhabi, the leaders are Chechens --- Wahhabism belongs to Saudi not Iraq or Syria or anywhere else but Saudi! There is no Free Syrian Army, those who were, with Saudi/US money, persuaded to desert the Syrian Army have either gone home, rejoined the Syrian Army, are dead, killed by ISIL, or taken more money from the Sauds and fight with ISIL --- There is NO Free Syrian Army.

Assad did not brutally anything to peaceful demonstrators --- snipers shot into the crowds killing Police and demonstrators alike ---- much of the Western medias footage of then was at the time proven to be of past happenings. I really can't be bothered with you middleview ------------ All you give a shit about is loosing face you don't give a single damn about people loosing their country or their lives! Look what you did to Libya ---- look! And now you want the same for the Syrians, no water, no electricity, no education for girls, women dressed in black from head to foot with no rights what so every, having their feet chopped off if they show their toes in public, car bombs every day, rapists and murderers on every corner and so on, that is what you wish for Syria, the same gift you gave Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and countless other Lands --------------- and now it is coming to Europe. Thanks America the spreader of democracy, most who have gained your democracy would rather never have seen you deadly face.

Wtf has Vietnam got to do with Syria --- as the man said The only multi cultural society in the region.

Putin has bought stability to Russia, it is, I have it on good authority, only his genius which stopped a Russian Civil War after Yeltsin's drunken blunders ------ he again is trying to bring order, to a region were we have bought nothing but Chaos.

 

[Queen Titania]

I am looking at the big picture. And the fact is, ISIS has grown greatly since Obama took office, ISIS' territory has gained greatly. Whatever he is doing, it's not working.

US and UK are training them in Afghanistan.

Been doing it since Russia was in Afghanistan, ask any British soldier.

 

[middleview]

I am looking at the big picture. And the fact is, ISIS has grown greatly since Obama took office, ISIS' territory has gained greatly. Whatever he is doing, it's not working.

1. IS started in 2006. It came from Al Qaeda in Iraq, which started out as Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's few hundred fighters in Northern Iraq....he got a huge boost by changing the name to Al Qaeda in Iraq and recruiting from the 250,000 former Iraqi army troops that we sent into the streets in 2003 when we disbanded the Iraqi army.
2. AQI changed their name to ISI in 2006 with Al Masri as their leader. They were losing ground because of the Anbar Awakening which paid Sunni's to participate in militia groups fighting against ISI.
3. We left in 2011 as per the Status Of Forces Agreement signed in 2008.
4. Maliki quit paying the Anbar militia groups and also did not, as promised, integrate them into the Iraqi army. The result was that ISI got a lot of new recruits.
5. In 2010 we killed the two leaders of ISI, Al Masri and Abu Omar al-Baghdadi. Abu Omar al-Baghdadi becomes the new leader.
6. ISI began to move fighters into Syria to participate in the Syrian civil war in about 2012.
7. ISI merges with Al Nusra and changes the name to ISIS. The leaders of Al Nusra and Al Qaeda fight against the merger.
8. ISIS begins to take towns in Iraq in 2014.
9. According to IHS Jane's...ISIS has withdrawn from nearly 10% of their occupied territory as of July 2015.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/08/world/isis-fast-facts/index.html

I disagree it is not working. As Iraqi units are ready to fight ISIS will lose. I do not want US troops in combat in Iraq. If Iraqis won't defend their own country and their own citizens then why in hell would we?

 

[Queen Titania]

The FSA has held Allepo until now. Russian air strikes have weakened them and ISIS is now at the gates of the city. Our raids supporting the Kurds at Kobane were decisive...and please do not throw out your unsupported claim that Syrian government military forces were fighting alongside the Kurds.

Your glowing support for Putin is funny. He's gone to war in Georgia, Chechnya and Ukraine and you give him a pass.

There is NO Free Syrian Army.

Oh Christ ------------------ He saved his country from a bloody Civil War --- The US sent their Mujahideen/Al Q'aeda to Chechnya to destabilize Russia, those same Chechens are now fighting as ISIL -- the Russians were protecting South Odessetia.

http://www.loc.gov/law/help/russian-georgia-war.php

Kurds fighting with Syria

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/07/20/world/syria-regime-kurds-join-fight-hasakeh/

As many Tribal factions are joining forces to fight against ISIL - they have the same enemy.

 

[Queen Titania]

1. IS started in 2006. It came from Al Qaeda in Iraq, which started out as Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's few hundred fighters in Northern Iraq....he got a huge boost by changing the name to Al Qaeda in Iraq and recruiting from the 250,000 former Iraqi army troops that we sent into the streets in 2003 when we disbanded the Iraqi army.
2. AQI changed their name to ISI in 2006 with Al Masri as their leader. They were losing ground because of the Anbar Awakening which paid Sunni's to participate in militia groups fighting against ISI.
3. We left in 2011 as per the Status Of Forces Agreement signed in 2008.
4. Maliki quit paying the Anbar militia groups and also did not, as promised, integrate them into the Iraqi army. The result was that ISI got a lot of new recruits.
5. In 2010 we killed the two leaders of ISI, Al Masri and Abu Omar al-Baghdadi. Abu Omar al-Baghdadi becomes the new leader.
6. ISI began to move fighters into Syria to participate in the Syrian civil war in about 2012.
7. ISI merges with Al Nusra and changes the name to ISIS. The leaders of Al Nusra and Al Qaeda fight against the merger.
8. ISIS begins to take towns in Iraq in 2014.
9. According to IHS Jane's...ISIS has withdrawn from nearly 10% of their occupied territory as of July 2015.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/08/world/isis-fast-facts/index.html

I disagree it is not working. As Iraqi units are ready to fight ISIS will lose. I do not want US troops in combat in Iraq. If Iraqis won't defend their own country and their own citizens then why in hell would we?

Why didn't America deliver even bullets, which were paid for in full, to Iraq just before ISIL appeared on their door step? They were begging you to deliver them, why didn't you?

Have you delivered them yet?

You took their money and just eft them standing there with nothing to defend themselves with ---------- then you accused them of being cowards and running --- two faced shits.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

There is no doubt that Reagan had substantial success in negotiating with our enemy, the USSR, to limit nuclear weapons. It was one of the most memorable moments in our history when we could actually have some confidence that we would not engage in a nuclear war. Anyone who was in the "duck and cover" drills would agree.

But let's hold on to the sainthood proclamation, ok.

I never implied a "sainthood", and while I've noticed some Conservatives do tend to glorify Ronald, I'm not one of them.

I simply am pointing out where Obama is weak and who was strong in that area.

 

[Zam-Zam]

So the anti-Obama crowd are jumping on the Putin cheering squad and taking RT News as gospel...They are claiming that the US has not been attacking ISIS and that their week of strikes by 20 or so planes have ISIS on the run....Except that it was coalition strikes yesterday that killed Al-Baghdadi...the leader of ISIL...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ic-state-leaders-convoy/ar-AAfkRTg?li=AAa0dzB

Any wingers here willing to admit they were wrong?

Can you provide a link to whomever claimed there have been zero airstrikes?

 

[AIL]

So the anti-Obama crowd are jumping on the Putin cheering squad and taking RT News as gospel...They are claiming that the US has not been attacking ISIS and that their week of strikes by 20 or so planes have ISIS on the run....Except that it was coalition strikes yesterday that killed Al-Baghdadi...the leader of ISIL...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ic-state-leaders-convoy/ar-AAfkRTg?li=AAa0dzB

Any wingers here willing to admit they were wrong?

Maybe they are trying to kill him in case the Russians or Syrians or Iranians catch him alive and under the well know practice of torture that Americans perfected and used on Iraqis. The capturers of Al Baghdadi will torture him until he reveals that Amerac was supplying and supporting him with weapons and money it was all part of the plan.

America is really trying to really kill him now to shut him up.

 

[middleview]

ISIL is Wahhabi, the leaders are Chechens --- Wahhabism belongs to Saudi not Iraq or Syria or anywhere else but Saudi! There is no Free Syrian Army, those who were, with Saudi/US money, persuaded to desert the Syrian Army have either gone home, rejoined the Syrian Army, are dead, killed by ISIL, or taken more money from the Sauds and fight with ISIL --- There is NO Free Syrian Army.

Assad did not brutally anything to peaceful demonstrators --- snipers shot into the crowds killing Police and demonstrators alike ---- much of the Western medias footage of then was at the time proven to be of past happenings. I really can't be bothered with you middleview ------------ All you give a shit about is loosing face you don't give a single damn about people loosing their country or their lives! Look what you did to Libya ---- look! And now you want the same for the Syrians, no water, no electricity, no education for girls, women dressed in black from head to foot with no rights what so every, having their feet chopped off if they show their toes in public, car bombs every day, rapists and murderers on every corner and so on, that is what you wish for Syria, the same gift you gave Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya and countless other Lands --------------- and now it is coming to Europe. Thanks America the spreader of democracy, most who have gained your democracy would rather never have seen you deadly face.

Wtf has Vietnam got to do with Syria --- as the man said The only multi cultural society in the region.

Putin has bought stability to Russia, it is, I have it on good authority, only his genius which stopped a Russian Civil War after Yeltsin's drunken blunders ------ he again is trying to bring order, to a region were we have bought nothing but Chaos.

Putin has made war on Georgia, Chechnya and Ukraine. He provided substantial support for the Serbs in their war against the Croats, Bosnians and Kosovars.

He has managed to turn the world against Russia. It is silly to claim success in the face of such stependous failures. Check the value of Russian currency over the last year. Is that a success? Is it a success when he jails people for having food in their possession from EU countries?

We did not start a civil war in Libya. We did not start a civil war in Syria.

 

[middleview]

Can you provide a link to whomever claimed there have been zero airstrikes?

Yes, I could, but so can you. Do a forum search for ISIS and airstrikes.

 

[Queen Titania]

Putin has made war on Georgia, Chechnya and Ukraine. He provided substantial support for the Serbs in their war against the Croats, Bosnians and Kosovars.

He has managed to turn the world against Russia. It is silly to claim success in the face of such stependous failures. Check the value of Russian currency over the last year. Is that a success? Is it a success when he jails people for having food in their possession from EU countries?

We did not start a civil war in Libya. We did not start a civil war in Syria.

I answered you as to the Russian problems --- of Serbia, shame on you, what that evil ghoul Clinton did to Yugoslavia is unforgivable and don't tell me about mass Graves when half the bodies were 100 years old dug up from all the Grave Yards in Yugoslavia and the other half any dead body of anybody of any age who had died of anything --- Clinton ordered a mass grave of 15 thousand and he got it --- no one was killed especially for it, well they might have been , a Granny here or there, who cares? Middleview has his outrage to feed ----

Nope America has turned the World against Russia ---

There was no Civil War in Libya.

Oh you are nothing but a propaganda spouter -------- who has lost.

Your Emperor has no Cloths.