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Freddy Gray,

The story this far:

Freddy Gray, a parolee with multiple drug arrests and a 'structured settlement' (insurance payoff) from a car accident where his neck was nearly broken, is arrested for 'biking while black'.

By the time his paddy wagon ride to the police station iover he's no longer breathing and in a coma. He dies a week later in hospital.

Baltimores black police chief stands alongside the city's black mayor and promises a full investigation of his own department.

After a week of riots arson and looting, murder charges are filed against the driver of the police van conveying Mr Gray. The driver is also black.

The actual arresting officers- all white- face lesser charges. Only the black cop is charged with murder, by the black prosecutor.

So please explain to me - how is this a case of racism by white authority figures?

This looks more like black on black crime. Murder of a black man by black cop, who was employed by a black polce chief who reports to a black mayor (who succeeded a predecessor black mayor who was convicted while in office)

Rioters- your rationale is shot to hell.
 
SO, Gray was walking about with a broken neck............
very interesting
sounds so much like what insurance companies deny claims for=pre-existing
 
The story this far:

Freddy Gray, a parolee with multiple drug arrests and a 'structured settlement' (insurance payoff) from a car accident where his neck was nearly broken, is arrested for 'biking while black'.

By the time his paddy wagon ride to the police station iover he's no longer breathing and in a coma. He dies a week later in hospital.

Baltimores black police chief stands alongside the city's black mayor and promises a full investigation of his own department.

After a week of riots arson and looting, murder charges are filed against the driver of the police van conveying Mr Gray. The driver is also black.

The actual arresting officers- all white- face lesser charges. Only the black cop is charged with murder, by the black prosecutor.

So please explain to me - how is this a case of racism by white authority figures?

This looks more like black on black crime. Murder of a black man by black cop, who was employed by a black polce chief who reports to a black mayor (who succeeded a predecessor black mayor who was convicted while in office)

Rioters- your rationale is shot to hell.
What was the Black officer's role in the arrest and subsequent [mis]handling of Gray?
 
The story this far:

Freddy Gray, a parolee with multiple drug arrests and a 'structured settlement' (insurance payoff) from a car accident where his neck was nearly broken, is arrested for 'biking while black'.

By the time his paddy wagon ride to the police station iover he's no longer breathing and in a coma. He dies a week later in hospital.

Baltimores black police chief stands alongside the city's black mayor and promises a full investigation of his own department.

After a week of riots arson and looting, murder charges are filed against the driver of the police van conveying Mr Gray. The driver is also black.

The actual arresting officers- all white- face lesser charges. Only the black cop is charged with murder, by the black prosecutor.

So please explain to me - how is this a case of racism by white authority figures?

This looks more like black on black crime. Murder of a black man by black cop, who was employed by a black polce chief who reports to a black mayor (who succeeded a predecessor black mayor who was convicted while in office)

Rioters- your rationale is shot to hell.

Who said it was case about racism by white authorities. Who ever said black cops don't kill black suspects or citizens in general for that matter ?

It was a case about a man dying from physical abuse while in police custody.

Also do you think the officer who drove that van and killed him did it without any direction from the arresting officers? That he just decided all on his own that Gray needed to take "a rough ride" or was is it probable that one requested by the arresting officers ?
 
What was the Black officer's role in the arrest and subsequent [mis]handling of Gray?
The theory appears to be that his failure to take the police van to the hospital instead of the police station was the single most important contributing factor to freddy's death.
 
The story this far:

Freddy Gray, a parolee with multiple drug arrests and a 'structured settlement' (insurance payoff) from a car accident where his neck was nearly broken, is arrested for 'biking while black'.

By the time his paddy wagon ride to the police station iover he's no longer breathing and in a coma. He dies a week later in hospital.

Baltimores black police chief stands alongside the city's black mayor and promises a full investigation of his own department.

After a week of riots arson and looting, murder charges are filed against the driver of the police van conveying Mr Gray. The driver is also black.

The actual arresting officers- all white- face lesser charges. Only the black cop is charged with murder, by the black prosecutor.

So please explain to me - how is this a case of racism by white authority figures?

This looks more like black on black crime. Murder of a black man by black cop, who was employed by a black polce chief who reports to a black mayor (who succeeded a predecessor black mayor who was convicted while in office)

Rioters- your rationale is shot to hell.

I've been saying all week that this is not a race problem.
That the people of Baltimore and the people here that are saying it is about "white oppression" simply are not paying attention. And I'm being kind.
 
I've been saying all week that this is not a race problem.
That the people of Baltimore and the people here that are saying it is about "white oppression" simply are not paying attention. And I'm being kind.

as soon as the principal "players" (police, mayor, prosecutors) turned out to be black, the narrative quickly changed from "racist police" to "10 years of simmering frustration".

the problem with THAT narrative is that baltimore has had 2 consecutive black mayors, and a majority black city council forever.

the basic problem in baltimore is that the schools suck, there are lots of drugs, crime is everywhere and no jobs. that is the inevitable outcome of a government which places welfare and coddling municipal unions (teachers, cops, clerks) ahead of the public interest.
 
Who said it was case about racism by white authorities. Who ever said black cops don't kill black suspects or citizens in general for that matter ?

It was a case about a man dying from physical abuse while in police custody.

Also do you think the officer who drove that van and killed him did it without any direction from the arresting officers? That he just decided all on his own that Gray needed to take "a rough ride" or was is it probable that one requested by the arresting officers ?

As for the driver, he may simply have acted out of force of habit rather than specific direction in that particular case. On the other hand, the officers who threw him in the van would have had a pretty good idea about what kind of ride he would get. There again, force of habit.

All guilty from my point of view.
 
It's not a race issue - it's an authoritarianism issue! The militarized police have been given too much authority to abuse EVRYONE'S civil rights and get away with it, due to judicial biases with respect to charges of civil right violations by cops (abetted by the fact that such charges are often, but not always, false). Both the judicial and police agencies have a tough job having to walk a fine line between getting the job done and also being respectful of the rights of citizens. But the rights of citizens with respect to criminal justice proceedings are clear (they are in the Constitution) and there is no excuse for treating every detainee as sub-human.

I think the police, the courts, and, indeed, even the bureaucrats have got to stop acting like they have more rights than the rest of us - there's nothing in the Constitution that supports such nonsense.
 
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After a week of riots arson and looting, murder charges are filed against the driver of the police van conveying Mr Gray. The driver is also black.

The actual arresting officers- all white- face lesser charges. Only the black cop is charged with murder, by the black prosecutor.

So please explain to me - how is this a case of racism by white authority figures?......
A slight correction, but I agree with your premise. The six charged are 50/50 black and white with one of the officers female.

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I do not know all the facts about what happened to Freddy in Baltimore. I did not see how the police handled it. What is kind of disturbing is all around this country we keep seeing incidents involving police and victims, some black, some white. Sometimes it appears to me that the police overreact or take the law into their own hands, case it point the man who was shot in the back while running from a police officer, not once but six times. Other cases are so convoluted it is very difficult to determine who exactly is in the wrong. I do know this, the police need to be trained and they need to practice a certain level of restraint when dealing with any suspect. As American citizens we all have rights granted us by the Constitution it does not matter if you are black or white. When the police violate these rights or over step their bounds of authority we end up with these serious issues and subsequent retaliation by the civilian population.

I live in a relatively small rural town in North Carolina, we have a rather large police force here. I personally know several of the officers on this force. Most are veterans of the armed forces. What I found troubling about our little town's police department is that they are equipped with military assault weapons, armored personnel carriers, and even a tank. I am no law enforcement expert and never claimed to be but why on earth in a town of 80 thousand souls would the police need a tank or even armored personnel carriers? They also have machine guns and grenade launchers as well as gas and automatic weapons, not to mention the fact that every officer is armed to the teeth with a side arm, stun gun, and they all have shotguns or assault rifles in their cruisers. What exactly is this police force thinking they are going to be confronted with or run into?

My town has a low crime rate and I am thankful for that, but we still have our share of larceny, break ins, robberies, and of course drug activity. The actual police officers I know here are courteous and polite, they speak to you with respect and we have had no issues here as far as I am aware of. I have been stopped by officers here in routine traffic checks and I have never had a problem yet. It does bother me some that our little police force is so heavily armed with weapons and equipment designed for war and not law enforcement activity. All the officers here wear body armor and carry extra magazines of ammunition, they are very well equipped and they have state of the art equipment, radios, computers, and vehicles. I was told by a friend of mine on the force that they even have a water cannon. I have lived here a long time and I cannot remember there ever being any civil unrest here. I kind of wonder if the police department really needs an arsenal like this to protect and serve? It is kind of intimidating as a citizen to see these guys and gals on duty as they look like they are ready for combat not conducting police business. Apparently, many police forces around the country have similar or identical equipment, makes me wonder if this could not also be a reason why citizens fear the police or think they will become victims of the police or be abused by the police. I will say one thing in their defense, they do an excellent job in my town and I respect them, at the same time I do not want to tangle with them as I would surely loose in a very big way.

I have personally seem some of these officers come into our local Chili's for lunch. They are an impressive bunch, dressed in black tactical gear with black Kevlar helmets, body armor, some carrying multiple side arms. They look like Storm Troopers not Police Officers. Even the little kids there are afraid of them. Many of the police cruisers here have two and even three officers in them, they mean business. I though to myself , this is just a bit of over kill here, these guys look like they are ready for a very serious combat engagement engaging a very dangerous threat. My town is pretty quiet most of the time except on the fourth of July or when they have some special event here. If you get stopped in my town I do not advise that you get belligerent or nasty with the police here, you may end up regretting it in short order, they have a reputation here of not tolerating much grief. They will not get nasty with you but you may end up before a magistrate facing numerous charges and possible jail time. I am grateful that we have a police department as we need one, but I am concerned about the arsenal they possess as well as the image they project.
 
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It's not a race issue - it's an authoritarianism issue! The militarized police have been given too much authority to abuse EVRYONE'S civil rights and get away with it, due to judicial biases with respect to charges of civil right violations by cops (abetted by the fact that such charges are often, but not always, false). Both the judicial and police agencies have a tough job having to walk a fine line between getting the job done and also being respectful of the rights of citizens. But the rights of citizens with respect to criminal justice proceedings are clear (they are in the Constitution) and there is no excuse for treating every detainee as sub-human.

I think the police, the courts, and, indeed, even the bureaucrats have got to stop acting like they have more rights than the rest of us - there's nothing in the Constitution that supports such nonsense.

it's easier for the authoritarians to harass minorities......so there is some racism in this big picture.
 
it's easier for the authoritarians to harass minorities......so there is some racism in this big picture.

Maybe, from the perspective that more minorities are poor and unable to hire legal help to fight, yes, you're right. But I don't think it is a case here that the African American officers in the Baltimore case were acting out of racism - they just feel comfortable abusing suspects and the general public because the judiciary has tended to give them wide latitude as long as they claim they felt "threatened" - even when the "threat" was almost solely in their mind.
 
The story this far:

Freddy Gray, a parolee with multiple drug arrests and a 'structured settlement' (insurance payoff) from a car accident where his neck was nearly broken, is arrested for 'biking while black'.

By the time his paddy wagon ride to the police station iover he's no longer breathing and in a coma. He dies a week later in hospital.

Baltimores black police chief stands alongside the city's black mayor and promises a full investigation of his own department.

After a week of riots arson and looting, murder charges are filed against the driver of the police van conveying Mr Gray. The driver is also black.

The actual arresting officers- all white- face lesser charges. Only the black cop is charged with murder, by the black prosecutor.

So please explain to me - how is this a case of racism by white authority figures?

This looks more like black on black crime. Murder of a black man by black cop, who was employed by a black polce chief who reports to a black mayor (who succeeded a predecessor black mayor who was convicted while in office)

Rioters- your rationale is shot to hell.

no, your post doesn't shoot the racism rationale. I agree with Lukey that it's primarily an authoritarian issue, but I'll add that racism still plays a part.

cops, both white and minority, adopt a particular group think towards minorities.
why didn't the cops believe Freddie Gray's cries of pain? do all cops disbelieve black suspects and black witnesses? no, but many do. we see it here right on PJ. when a black comes up dead at the hands of the police, the knee jerk reaction of white cons is to disbelieve black suspects. they take it a step further and even blame the victim for his own death. were you one of those who wanted to believe that Freddie Gray committed suicide in the van? that's the thinking of an authoritarian, you know, the cops can never be wrong, especially when it comes to those "scarey" black men, eh?

Chris Rock was stopped for driving while black 3 times in a 2 month period. the racist component: blacks driving fine cars are suspected of having stolen the car. being stopped for shopping while black, walking while black, bicycling while black, driving while black, driving in the wrong neighborhood while black....and the list goes on.
 
Maybe, from the perspective that more minorities are poor and unable to hire legal help to fight, yes, you're right. But I don't think it is a case here that the African American officers in the Baltimore case were acting out of racism - they just feel comfortable abusing suspects and the general public because the judiciary has tended to give them wide latitude as long as they claim they felt "threatened" - even when the "threat" was almost solely in their mind.

black and white cops adopt the same thinking.....that they can abuse suspects, but they still do that more to minorities than whites. we also can't ignore the bigotry that occurs within races....whites looking down on poor whites, blacks looking down on poor blacks.
so I agree with you, but with the caveat that I still see some bigotry/racism at play.
 
black and white cops adopt the same thinking.....that they can abuse suspects, but they still do that more to minorities than whites. we also can't ignore the bigotry that occurs within races....whites looking down on poor whites, etc. same with blacks.
so I agree with you, but with the caveat that I still see some bigotry/racism at play.

I agree with you on the principal, but maybe not the degree. You seem to be using a bit of the "disparate impact" argument that simply says if more minorities are arrested and convicted of crime it is a prima facie case that the judicial system is "racist." I think the predominance of minorities (compared to the population) in the criminal justice system is not solely based on racism. But I will admit that racism is a component of the problem, in that minorities, on average, have less economic opportunity. However, I think that when we have African American CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, billionaire entrepreneurs, world class physicians and, yes, even a President of the United States, it's time to retire the "endemic racism" argument for continued affirmative action type (reverse racism) policies.
 
The story this far:

Freddy Gray, a parolee with multiple drug arrests and a 'structured settlement' (insurance payoff) from a car accident where his neck was nearly broken, is arrested for 'biking while black'.

By the time his paddy wagon ride to the police station iover he's no longer breathing and in a coma. He dies a week later in hospital.

Baltimores black police chief stands alongside the city's black mayor and promises a full investigation of his own department.

After a week of riots arson and looting, murder charges are filed against the driver of the police van conveying Mr Gray. The driver is also black.

The actual arresting officers- all white- face lesser charges. Only the black cop is charged with murder, by the black prosecutor.

So please explain to me - how is this a case of racism by white authority figures?

This looks more like black on black crime. Murder of a black man by black cop, who was employed by a black polce chief who reports to a black mayor (who succeeded a predecessor black mayor who was convicted while in office)

Rioters- your rationale is shot to hell.
Liberal Media called George Zimmerman a White Hispanic. Can anyone be surprised if they call the Baltimore cops White African Americans? Liberals have no shame, no conscience, and apparently no concern with how stupid they appear to be.
 
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