Here is an illustration of how collectivism affects people...

[Lukey]

When you no longer have to worry about starving if you don't eat, your brain turns to goo and your worst instincts start to win. This guy is the poster boy for globalized communism. I sure am glad he's not on my side...

 

[Lukey]

Seriously, here's another face of the "remain" crowd:


These are not the faces of people who want to work and contribute - they want free shit, and they thought the EU was going to become a collectivist paradise. And now they think their dream is gone. In fact, it actually never was...

 

[Deleted member 21794]

As usual, it's freakazoids who make the stupid, ill-informed votes. I got into a squabble on Facebook over the past few days. An elementary school friend made an anti-Trump post. I posted about Hillary's corruption, even getting support from her friends that were Bernie supporters. I got a kick out of it, as it ended up being me versus a Hillary supporter. I stuck with facts. He ended up in complete meltdown, telling me I'm a prick, go [Unwelcome language removed] myself, blah blah blah. And the next post I see? Three of the four liberals in that little thread complaining about how a certain pawn shop is a rip-off. It took everything I had to not drag that into the debate.

But I'm glad you made this post about the UK specifically. I have a feeling we both know how this lady voted on Brexit. And of course, this is the mentality leftists here in the US want to encourage:

It's not easy being overweight and on benefits, says 25 stone mother-of-two who wants MORE money from the government to help her diet

• Christina Briggs, 26, from Wigan, says she hates her large size
• But she wants help from the government to lose weight
• She's on benefits and can only afford to buy junk food and takeaways
• She said being fat is not her 'fault' as 'healthy food is too expensive'

By Lucy Waterlow for MailOnline


Published: 18:02 EST, 24 September 2014 | Updated: 08:40 EST, 25 September 2014

• An obese mother-of-two who lives on benefits says she needs more of taxpayers' money to overhaul her unhealthy lifestyle.
  
  Christina Briggs, 26, from Wigan, says she hates being 25 stone but she can't do anything about it because she can only afford junk food. Meanwhile, exercise is out of the question because she doesn't have the funds to join a gym.
  
  The single mother told Closer Magazine: 'It's not easy being overweight and on benefits. If I was well off, I'd be able to buy fresh food and afford a gym membership.
  
  
  
  
  
  

• She insists she can't get a job to gain more money because she's needed at home to care for her children
  
  'I tried swimming but it cost £22 a month and it meant I had to cut back on my favourite pizza and Chinese takeaways.'
  
  Unemployed Christina gets £20,000 in benefits a year and lives in a council house with her two children by different fathers, Helena, 10, and Robert, two.
  
  She left school as a teenager after falling pregnant with her daughter following a one night stand.
  
  The family feast everyday on takeaways, chocolate and crisps as Christina says they can't afford low fat foods. As a result, the mother is currently a dress size 26.
  
  
  She has been warned by her GP that her health is in danger because of her size - medical complications relating to obesity include heart disease and diabetes.
  
  Christina is desperate not to leave her two children without a mother and doesn't want her size to take her to an early grave.
  
  But she insists 'it's not my fault – healthy food is too expensive'.
  
  She feels her only hope is for the government to give her more money so she can afford to buy fruit and vegetables and join a gym.
  
  She also believes she should be paid to lose weight as that would give her the motivation to fight the flab.
  
  She told the magazine: 'I need more benefits to eat healthily and exercise. It would be good if the government offered a cash incentive for me to lose weight. I'd like to get £1 for every pound I lose, or healthy food vouchers.
  
  'If the price of healthy food was lowered that would help, too. I need help, but I need it from the government.'
  
  She added that she can't get a job to gain more money because she's needed at home to care for her children, especially as her daughter has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and issues with her kidneys.
  
  She explained: 'There's no way I could get a job. I don't feel bad about the taxpayer funding my life and my child's medical problems, because I don't treat myself or buy anything excessive. I just get enough money to live on - the taxpayers should help fund my diet.'
  
  
  Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...money-government-help-diet.html#ixzz4CydSooqY
  Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

 

[Lukey]

As usual, it's freakazoids who make the stupid, ill-informed votes. I got into a squabble on Facebook over the past few days. An elementary school friend made an anti-Trump post. I posted about Hillary's corruption, even getting support from her friends that were Bernie supporters. I got a kick out of it, as it ended up being me versus a Hillary supporter. I stuck with facts. He ended up in complete meltdown, telling me I'm a prick, go [Unwelcome language removed] myself, blah blah blah. And the next post I see? Three of the four liberals in that little thread complaining about how a certain pawn shop is a rip-off. It took everything I had to not drag that into the debate.

But I'm glad you made this post about the UK specifically. I have a feeling we both know how this lady voted on Brexit. And of course, this is the mentality leftists here in the US want to encourage:

It's not easy being overweight and on benefits, says 25 stone mother-of-two who wants MORE money from the government to help her diet

• Christina Briggs, 26, from Wigan, says she hates her large size
• But she wants help from the government to lose weight
• She's on benefits and can only afford to buy junk food and takeaways
• She said being fat is not her 'fault' as 'healthy food is too expensive'

By Lucy Waterlow for MailOnline


Published: 18:02 EST, 24 September 2014 | Updated: 08:40 EST, 25 September 2014

• An obese mother-of-two who lives on benefits says she needs more of taxpayers' money to overhaul her unhealthy lifestyle.
  
  Christina Briggs, 26, from Wigan, says she hates being 25 stone but she can't do anything about it because she can only afford junk food. Meanwhile, exercise is out of the question because she doesn't have the funds to join a gym.
  
  The single mother told Closer Magazine: 'It's not easy being overweight and on benefits. If I was well off, I'd be able to buy fresh food and afford a gym membership.
  
  
  
  

• She insists she can't get a job to gain more money because she's needed at home to care for her children
  
  'I tried swimming but it cost £22 a month and it meant I had to cut back on my favourite pizza and Chinese takeaways.'
  
  Unemployed Christina gets £20,000 in benefits a year and lives in a council house with her two children by different fathers, Helena, 10, and Robert, two.
  
  She left school as a teenager after falling pregnant with her daughter following a one night stand.
  
  The family feast everyday on takeaways, chocolate and crisps as Christina says they can't afford low fat foods. As a result, the mother is currently a dress size 26.
  
  
  She has been warned by her GP that her health is in danger because of her size - medical complications relating to obesity include heart disease and diabetes.
  
  Christina is desperate not to leave her two children without a mother and doesn't want her size to take her to an early grave.
  
  But she insists 'it's not my fault – healthy food is too expensive'.
  
  She feels her only hope is for the government to give her more money so she can afford to buy fruit and vegetables and join a gym.
  
  She also believes she should be paid to lose weight as that would give her the motivation to fight the flab.
  
  She told the magazine: 'I need more benefits to eat healthily and exercise. It would be good if the government offered a cash incentive for me to lose weight. I'd like to get £1 for every pound I lose, or healthy food vouchers.
  
  'If the price of healthy food was lowered that would help, too. I need help, but I need it from the government.'
  
  She added that she can't get a job to gain more money because she's needed at home to care for her children, especially as her daughter has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and issues with her kidneys.
  
  She explained: 'There's no way I could get a job. I don't feel bad about the taxpayer funding my life and my child's medical problems, because I don't treat myself or buy anything excessive. I just get enough money to live on - the taxpayers should help fund my diet.'
  
  
  Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...money-government-help-diet.html#ixzz4CydSooqY
  Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Yes, these are the kinds of situations progressive collectivism engenders. And then we wonder why it quickly becomes unsustainable?

 

[connieb]

As usual, it's freakazoids who make the stupid, ill-informed votes. I got into a squabble on Facebook over the past few days. An elementary school friend made an anti-Trump post. I posted about Hillary's corruption, even getting support from her friends that were Bernie supporters. I got a kick out of it, as it ended up being me versus a Hillary supporter. I stuck with facts. He ended up in complete meltdown, telling me I'm a prick, go [Unwelcome language removed] myself, blah blah blah. And the next post I see? Three of the four liberals in that little thread complaining about how a certain pawn shop is a rip-off. It took everything I had to not drag that into the debate.

But I'm glad you made this post about the UK specifically. I have a feeling we both know how this lady voted on Brexit. And of course, this is the mentality leftists here in the US want to encourage:

It's not easy being overweight and on benefits, says 25 stone mother-of-two who wants MORE money from the government to help her diet

• Christina Briggs, 26, from Wigan, says she hates her large size
• But she wants help from the government to lose weight
• She's on benefits and can only afford to buy junk food and takeaways
• She said being fat is not her 'fault' as 'healthy food is too expensive'

By Lucy Waterlow for MailOnline


Published: 18:02 EST, 24 September 2014 | Updated: 08:40 EST, 25 September 2014

• An obese mother-of-two who lives on benefits says she needs more of taxpayers' money to overhaul her unhealthy lifestyle.
  
  Christina Briggs, 26, from Wigan, says she hates being 25 stone but she can't do anything about it because she can only afford junk food. Meanwhile, exercise is out of the question because she doesn't have the funds to join a gym.
  
  The single mother told Closer Magazine: 'It's not easy being overweight and on benefits. If I was well off, I'd be able to buy fresh food and afford a gym membership.
  
  
  
  

• She insists she can't get a job to gain more money because she's needed at home to care for her children
  
  'I tried swimming but it cost £22 a month and it meant I had to cut back on my favourite pizza and Chinese takeaways.'
  
  Unemployed Christina gets £20,000 in benefits a year and lives in a council house with her two children by different fathers, Helena, 10, and Robert, two.
  
  She left school as a teenager after falling pregnant with her daughter following a one night stand.
  
  The family feast everyday on takeaways, chocolate and crisps as Christina says they can't afford low fat foods. As a result, the mother is currently a dress size 26.
  
  
  She has been warned by her GP that her health is in danger because of her size - medical complications relating to obesity include heart disease and diabetes.
  
  Christina is desperate not to leave her two children without a mother and doesn't want her size to take her to an early grave.
  
  But she insists 'it's not my fault – healthy food is too expensive'.
  
  She feels her only hope is for the government to give her more money so she can afford to buy fruit and vegetables and join a gym.
  
  She also believes she should be paid to lose weight as that would give her the motivation to fight the flab.
  
  She told the magazine: 'I need more benefits to eat healthily and exercise. It would be good if the government offered a cash incentive for me to lose weight. I'd like to get £1 for every pound I lose, or healthy food vouchers.
  
  'If the price of healthy food was lowered that would help, too. I need help, but I need it from the government.'
  
  She added that she can't get a job to gain more money because she's needed at home to care for her children, especially as her daughter has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and issues with her kidneys.
  
  She explained: 'There's no way I could get a job. I don't feel bad about the taxpayer funding my life and my child's medical problems, because I don't treat myself or buy anything excessive. I just get enough money to live on - the taxpayers should help fund my diet.'
  
  
  Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...money-government-help-diet.html#ixzz4CydSooqY
  Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

It is sad and disgusting that people like her even exist. We enable it of course by providing the entitlement programs in the first place. Absent that - she would at least not be a fat pig who keeps reproducing.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

It is sad and disgusting that people like her even exist. We enable it of course by providing the entitlement programs in the first place. Absent that - she would at least not be a fat pig who keeps reproducing.

I think you've touched on an interesting issue- the right to reproduce. I have no problem with limiting that right to people who provide for themselves. I don't believe such a right exists for those who are on the dole. I would require anyone getting more than 30% of their subsistence from taxpayers to be sterilized until they are providing for themselves.

Specifically with regards to this heifer, if she can afford to eat herself into obesity, she can afford to eat less and healthier food. She need not sign up at a gym. There's a thing called WALKING she should do more of.

 

[Lukey]

I think you've touched on an interesting issue- the right to reproduce. I have no problem with limiting that right to people who provide for themselves. I don't believe such a right exists for those who are on the dole. I would require anyone getting more than 30% of their subsistence from taxpayers to be sterilized until they are providing for themselves.

Specifically with regards to this heifer, if she can afford to eat herself into obesity, she can afford to eat less and healthier food. She need not sign up at a gym. There's a thing called WALKING she should do more of.

While that seems like an extremist point of view, if you look at it from the other end, her ability to continue to reproduce dependents is the equivalent of enslaving the productive. I'd rather we just do away with entitlements.

 

[RickWA]

While that seems like an extremist point of view, if you look at it from the other end, her ability to continue to reproduce dependents is the equivalent of enslaving the productive. I'd rather we just do away with entitlements.

We should never empower the state to sterilize citizens. That's far too much power. This is a classic example of collectivists creating a problem via empowering the state...then folks looking for additional downstream authority for the state to contain consequences of its own making.

We need to amputate state limbs so that it cannot so readily reach into our lives.

There is nothing compassionate about fostering/enabling dependency. Quite the opposite.

(I know...preaching to the choir here...just had to say it).

 

[connieb]

While that seems like an extremist point of view, if you look at it from the other end, her ability to continue to reproduce dependents is the equivalent of enslaving the productive. I'd rather we just do away with entitlements.

I agree. Limit the dole. I don't care if you reproduce, or not, or how many brats you pop out, but they need to remain YOUR problem. The second you begin to make them mine... then we have a problem.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

While that seems like an extremist point of view, if you look at it from the other end, her ability to continue to reproduce dependents is the equivalent of enslaving the productive. I'd rather we just do away with entitlements.

Even better. That way we don't have to get into such murky waters. In the US, we currently have 44,000,000+ people on food stamps. We could take 40,000,000 of them off and life would improve for all. Government would waste less money. People would provide for themselves. I have found pain and hunger to be excellent motivators.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

We should never empower the state to sterilize citizens. That's far too much power. This is a classic example of collectivists creating a problem via empowering the state...then folks looking for additional downstream authority for the state to contain consequences of its own making.

We need to amputate state limbs so that it cannot so readily reach into our lives.

There is nothing compassionate about fostering/enabling dependency. Quite the opposite.

(I know...preaching to the choir here...just had to say it).

Really you are correct. That is a door we should not open- ESPECIALLY with totalitarians like Obama and his pals running around. He would probably LOVE to sterilize white people and force us to pay for the breeding habits of the Middle East filth and other dregs of society he is so hellbent on importing here.

 

[Queen Titania]

Seriously, here's another face of the "remain" crowd:

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These are not the faces of people who want to work and contribute - they want free shit, and they thought the EU was going to become a collectivist paradise. And now they think their dream is gone. In fact, it actually never was...

This is both unfair and incorrect - most young people here work hard often for very little pay and or on Zero hour contracts - 'signing on' ( welfare) is not very easy now a days -

No, the worst of is all is that we cannot point at the uneducated layabouts but the supposedly educated working youth - that is the sadness of it -

 

[JoeBlam]

They've all got the extra cash to get marked up with tattoos....If I worked in a welfare office and somebody with a neck or face tat walked in, I'd suggest they hit the door and not look back. And then I'd likely get fired for depriving the freaks of their "rights". Not that I'm against tats that are discreet and creative: