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I bumping a thread against the rules now. I don't see it listed!

If I am mistaken, please underline the part for us.

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If I am mistaken, please underline the part for us.

It certainly doesn't further discussion by merely bumping a thread. It seems rather petty to mine old posts going months back...just to bump a thread. It adds nothing to the debate or conversation. Indeed, it removes more current posts from the front page which appears to be one of the major reasons for doing it.

If an issue is burning...create a new post to discuss it.
 
The rules you quoted cover normal poster issues. One or two posters capable of knocking new posts off the board by doing it so much it reaches the set number of spamming or page pushing and the timestamp-dictated timeframe set are unlikely to have a rule dedicated to them - just a handling procedure based on their situation.
 
Can you re-state that in english? And please answer my question.
Is bumping against the rules or are the rules made up as we go along.
I know by persuing this it makes the leadership here look bad so I fully expect to be retaliated against very soon.
 
Gotta go with Al on this one Min. Is there not a yes or no answer to his top-post question? The subject matter of some old posts is still a current topic. Y'all gonna make us gun-shy about responding to old posts.
 
Bumping is not against the rules. But anything that pushes pages forward, thus reducing the quality of Political Jack is subject to administrative action. Bumping multiple threads forward for the express purpose of page pushing destroys the page and can and will be dealt with in the manner that administration deems appropriate.
 
I'll answer.... No, bumping an old thread is not against the rules. Where the intent may be to discuss whatever topic...

Where the intent is to create a disruption by 'bumping' a multitude of threads not for the purpose of discussing one thing or another, but to disrupt the board (i.e. page pushing, or spamming...) that's a different issue all together...and one I think everyone understands and can agree is disruptive... further, one which doesnt need spelling out in a rule.. (or does it?) cause everyone, i hope, can agree...is one of those things that is understood as common courtesy on a board..not spamming, that is (or page pushing even. call it what you will)

and, well, kinda sucks.

hope it helps
 
In an earlier version of the rules,we were told that there was no limit on the number of top-posts a poster can do. So naturally,pagepushing followedand we all know who the worst offenders are. One got banished to Crossfire and another is on suspension right now,but to the best of my knowledge,nothing has happened to the other pagepushers. I admit that I've bumped posts in the past with the intent to push mulitiple chum(aka spam) posts off the page. So top-post spamming/pagepushing is acceptable but bumping posts to disrupt THAT is not?
 
In an earlier version of the rules,we were told that there was no limit on the number of top-posts a poster can do. So that kind of pagepushing is allowed,but bumping posts for the purpose of disrupting THAT is not? We all know who the worst offenders are at multiple top-post pagepushing but only a coupla posters have actually been disciplined for that as far as I can tell. One got banished to Crossfire and one is suspended right now.
 
You do realize that the same old issues keep coming up with different titles

& the "Documented & Referenced" answer can only be the same huh?


e.g.

  • The Kenyan
  • Prez. Obama’s failed bank bailout
  • Prez. Obama hates the Military
  • Illegals voting in our elections
  • Clinton’s 2001 Recession
  • Lefties & Prez Obama are Communist/Homos/Godless/Nazis/Marxist/etc./etc./etc.
  • Blacks are Food Stamp freeloaders
  • Obama Motors
  • Prez. Obama's "FIVE" Trillion buck debt
  • Prez Obama is a Muslim
  • Prex Obama wants Disenfranchise Military


Did I miss anything?

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Knowing this spam is continuously coming up, I usually delay answering to a reply to one of my essays until one of the above issues repeatedly keeps coming up & then I answer to the person that replied to my TP.



The alternate would be to copy my essay with my documented references & post it under a different title & this seems dishonest to me.
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Best Regards

Lobato1






It certainly doesn't further discussion by merely bumping a thread.


It seems rather petty to mine old posts going months back...just to bump a thread.

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It adds nothing to the debate or conversation. Indeed, it removes more current posts from the front page which appears to be one of the major reasons for doing it.

If an issue is burning...create a new post to discuss it.
 
There is no set limit to the number of top posts a poster can make** and hopefully no limit will need to be set. But administrators have the duty of keeping the integrity of the board intact, so that is what is protected. We hope that it is a rare occasion that any administrator will need to step to restore board integrity due to any sort of page pushing.

**while there is no limit to total top posts you can make, if you make 5 or more within an hour's time, your posts will be merged. Sorry for my omission of this part in my first posting of this.


In an earlier version of the rules,we were told that there was no limit on the number of top-posts a poster can do. So that kind of pagepushing is allowed,but bumping posts for the purpose of disrupting THAT is not? We all know who the worst offenders are at multiple top-post pagepushing but only a coupla posters have actually been disciplined for that as far as I can tell. One got banished to Crossfire and one is suspended right now.
 
That is exactly right. That 5 posts in one hour based on the timestamps sets off action when it is reported or caught all on the front directory page pushing other posts off. So if it is reported or we see it, it is merged into one post if it is a Toppost or handled other ways if it is another kind of spamming where we can't merge.
 
Now that sounds more logical

As we had witnessed in the BB forum many, many times that a poster would not like what we posted & spam a continuous number of TPs in order to drive our essays out of the front page.

Best Regards

Lobato1


The rules you quoted cover normal poster issues. One or two posters capable of knocking new posts off the board by doing it so much it reaches the set number of spamming or page pushing and the timestamp-dictated timeframe set are unlikely to have a rule dedicated to them - just a handling procedure based on their situation.
 
Any page pushing whether by bumping or Topposts that reaches 5 bumped or Topposted posts in an hour is considered page pushing spam. Topposts are merged into one post when that happens. Bumped posts can't be merged as it is not the Topposter's fault they are being used to push pages so we deal with the poster spamming by bumping.

The magic number is 5. The magic time is 1 hour.
 
What is page pushing?

"Page pushing" refers to how new posts can drive older posts off of "Page 1" to Page 2, 3, 4, etc. by the introduction of numerous NEW posts which immediately take the top slot and then push all older posts down the line. If there is no new response on the older posts, they get "Page Pushed" into older pages (not seen unless you click on them).

It is typical (as a "strategy") of those who want to spam the board and drive one or more of their "opponents" posts off the "Main Page" or those with monumental egos or agendas that they wish to see ONLY their posts and things they like at the "top of the page" or even on the page.

(as opposed to just the natural "moving down" of posts that earned no responses or where the thread ended on its own)

"Page-pushing via bumps" is the same thing only by "bumping" (i.e. adding a response to an old post where the discussion has ended) old posts to the "top of the pile" for the same effect.

Clear?
 
"Page pushing" refers to how new posts can drive older posts off of "Page 1" to Page 2, 3, 4, etc. by the introduction of numerous NEW posts which immediately take the top slot and then push all older posts down the line. If there is no new response on the older posts, they get "Page Pushed" into older pages (not seen unless you click on them).

It is typical (as a "strategy") of those who want to spam the board and drive one or more of their "opponents" posts off the "Main Page" or those with monumental egos or agendas that they wish to see ONLY their posts and things they like at the "top of the page" or even on the page.

(as opposed to just the natural "moving down" of posts that earned no responses or where the thread ended on its own)

"Page-pushing via bumps" is the same thing only by "bumping" (i.e. adding a response to an old post where the discussion has ended) old posts to the "top of the pile" for the same effect.

Clear?


The only flaw in the "magic number" response is that it would unfairly punish posters who have limited time to devote to being on-line, and have prepared posts off-line with a word processor to post when they have a moment to connect to the site. For instance, I've seen PACE pop in at 5:00 AM and drop several long, well thought out top-posts and then leave soon thereafter. Some of us have to work for a living.
 
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