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It's time to call Trump/GOP fascists

Great article by Frum.

It would be wonderful if Trump cultists read it, but they won’t.

Fascism is indeed creeping into our nation, courtesy of Trump and all the GOP politicians who support his madness. I think the nation is doomed.
 
UPNYA2 said:
That is just TOO damned CUTE!

"Its time to.." As in, NOW? That is actually coming from YOU?!

Hell's bells, my dear, when was it NOT time to do so according to you? Seems you have never spoken of your former President as anything else wouldn't you agree?
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It makes a difference to sane people when lifelong conservatives agree.

You wouldn’t understand.
 
Bugsy McGurk said:
Great article by Frum.

It would be wonderful if Trump cultists read it, but they won’t.

Fascism is indeed creeping into our nation, courtesy of Trump and all the GOP politicians who support his madness. I think the nation is doomed.
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Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultra-nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy.

Let's see. They want to "Reclaim America" as in white nationalism/supremacy. They can't be bothered with the rule of law in a democracy. They think it was a "love fest," as Trump said of Jan 6, to beat the hell out of cops on their way to stopping the democratic process of certifying the election. They're trying to suppress the opposition by enacting voter laws where they could overturn election results they do not like. It's all worse than deplorable.
 
JuliefromOhio said:
Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultra-nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy.

Let's see. They want to "Reclaim America" as in white nationalism/supremacy. They can't be bothered with the rule of law in a democracy. They think it was a "love fest," as Trump said of Jan 6, to beat the hell out of cops on their way to stopping the democratic process of certifying the election. They're trying to suppress the opposition by enacting voter laws where they could overturn election results they do not like. It's all worse than deplorable.
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It is hard to get more deplorable than creeping fascism, but that’s exactly what Trump and his cultists have brought us.

It’s been decades in the making. Even when Bill Clinton first got elected, they refused to accept that he won and Poppy Bush lost. Even before Clinton was sworn in the haters started with the investigations and impeachment efforts. That was the first time I realized their fascist/anti-democratic tendencies. They could only accept election outcomes if their candidate won, which is the opposite of acceptance of a democratic form of government.

And here we are - they actually embrace attacks on our elections and violence to install their preferred candidate.

Horrifying.
 
JuliefromOhio said:
Conservative David Frum makes the case.

There's a Word for What Trumpism Is Becoming - The Atlantic
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Great read by a republican, who cuts no corners when it comes to diagnosing the ills of Trump's GOP.
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The Trump movement was always authoritarian and illiberal. It indulged periodically in the rhetoric of violence. Trump himself chafed against the restraints of law. But what the United States did not have before 2020 was a large national movement willing to justify mob violence to claim political power. Now it does.
 
Bugsy McGurk said:
Great article by Frum.

It would be wonderful if Trump cultists read it, but they won’t.

Fascism is indeed creeping into our nation, courtesy of Trump and all the GOP politicians who support his madness. I think the nation is doomed.
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I haven't read the article, because it wouldn't come up on my computer. Just as well- the Atlantic is a worthless rag. Generally, I 'd say it is laughable for liberals to try to link fascism with Trump/GOP.

As usual, liberals have got this exactly backwards. Fascism is clearly showing up with the Biden administration, as is typical of Democrat administrations with characteristics that closely parallel fascism >>>
1. Big spending big government.
2. Increased regulation of businesses and people.
3. Increased gun control (if not outright confiscation)
4. Suppression of free speech (Twitter, Facebook, etc)
5. Political prisoners 6 months in jail on miniscule charges, while murders are out on bail in less time.
 
Bugsy McGurk said:
It is hard to get more deplorable than creeping fascism, but that’s exactly what Trump and his cultists have brought us.

It’s been decades in the making. Even when Bill Clinton first got elected, they refused to accept that he won and Poppy Bush lost. Even before Clinton was sworn in the haters started with the investigations and impeachment efforts. That was the first time I realized their fascist/anti-democratic tendencies. They could only accept election outcomes if their candidate won, which is the opposite of acceptance of a democratic form of government.

And here we are - they actually embrace attacks on our elections and violence to install their preferred candidate.

Horrifying.
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The Democrat steal of the election is fascism, not the reaction to it. I should have added this to my list of Biden fascisms in Post # 9.
 
JuliefromOhio said:
Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultra-nationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy.

Let's see. They want to "Reclaim America" as in white nationalism/supremacy. They can't be bothered with the rule of law in a democracy. They think it was a "love fest," as Trump said of Jan 6, to beat the hell out of cops on their way to stopping the democratic process of certifying the election. They're trying to suppress the opposition by enacting voter laws where they could overturn election results they do not like. It's all worse than deplorable.
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There is practically zero white supremacy in America, and to claim it as a problem, is a racist attack against all white people.

As for the disregard of rule of law, we saw a whole year of that on a mass scale as leftist lunatics went around tearing down statues, burning buildings and police cars, looting, and attacking, and even killing people. Height of hypocrisy.

On top of it they rig an election with mountains of fraud (I posted) and then have the gall to talk about election integrity, and trying to suppress the opposition. Wow.
Is there a doctor in the house ? I mean really,
 
protectionist said:
I haven't read the article, because it wouldn't come up on my computer. Just as well- the Atlantic is a worthless rag. Generally, I 'd say it is laughable for liberals to try to link fascism with Trump/GOP.

As usual, liberals have got this exactly backwards. Fascism is clearly showing up with the Biden administration, as is typical of Democrat administrations with characteristics that closely parallel fascism >>>
1. Big spending big government.
2. Increased regulation of businesses and people.
3. Increased gun control (if not outright confiscation)
4. Suppression of free speech (Twitter, Facebook, etc)
5. Political prisoners 6 months in jail on miniscule charges, while murders are out on bail in less time.
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Frum explains all this for you. Many others have as well. You should reduce your ignorance and read such pieces.

But you won’t.
 
Bugsy McGurk said:
It is hard to get more deplorable than creeping fascism, but that’s exactly what Trump and his cultists have brought us.

It’s been decades in the making. Even when Bill Clinton first got elected, they refused to accept that he won and Poppy Bush lost. Even before Clinton was sworn in the haters started with the investigations and impeachment efforts. That was the first time I realized their fascist/anti-democratic tendencies. They could only accept election outcomes if their candidate won, which is the opposite of acceptance of a democratic form of government.

And here we are - they actually embrace attacks on our elections and violence to install their preferred candidate.

Horrifying.
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I've watched the deterioration of the political environment and feel it started with Nixon and the republicans who felt Watergate was just a political hatchet job and the Nixon had done as democrats had done in the past. They decided to pay the democrats back for having forced Nixon to resign in the face of impeachment. The first target was Bert Lance. They failed because Lance resigned as the scandal just started so that he wouldn't be a distraction...the accusations went nowhere. Then Reagan was implicated in Iran/Contra...again the republicans felt it was an attempt to slander a great president for being a republican....so they went after Clinton when they had the chance...with a 6 year long and $60 million investigation that came up dry with a few prosecutions of others on the very edges of the Clinton world. One single indictment of a Clinton appointee, and not for anything he did in office...a bullshit conviction for over charging his customers. Hell, every single lawyer in practice could go to jail for that.

Then there are the Benghazi, Fast and Furious, IRS and Hillary investigations while Obama was in office. What came of them?

Then along came the Trump gang.
 
Zam-Zam said:
I think most people get that name-calling is not very smart.

Of course, a few probably don't.

And they'll likely be the ones making the most noise.
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That's not name-calling, Republican David Frum is identifying what he sees Trump and the GOP doing.
Read the article. It's sophisticated so your average trumpie won't understand it.
 
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