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Liberal Logic 101

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Jen said:
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Jen, socialism has been tried many times in many different countries in history. It has alway been a dismal failure, often distroying lives as well as governments. On paper it seems like it could work and provide a society that could flourish and provide for everyone. The real problem with socialism was summed up nicely by Margret Thacher when she said, " Socialism is just great until you run out of other peoples money". You see socialism removes individual rights, and gives complete control to big government this is why it is doomed to failure, it is impossible to spend your way into prosperity something Obummer has never ever understood, it is common sense.
 
American Patriot said:
Jen, socialism has been tried many times in many different countries in history. It has alway been a dismal failure, often distroying lives as well as governments. On paper it seems like it could work and provide a society that could flourish and provide for everyone. The real problem with socialism was summed up nicely by Margret Thacher when she said, " Socialism is just great until you run out of other peoples money". You see socialism removes individual rights, and gives complete control to big government this is why it is doomed to failure, it is impossible to spend your way into prosperity something Obummer has never ever understood, it is common sense.
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And there's always the rights of certain people ........ but not other certain people.

Seems like the left has the right to make people do things their way because the feelings of lefties MUST NOT EVER be hurt. It's wrong to offend a lefty.

But anyone who is not a lefty......... can be offended all the time and it's okay.

Stupid.
 
American Patriot said:
Jen, socialism has been tried many times in many different countries in history. It has alway been a dismal failure, often distroying lives as well as governments. On paper it seems like it could work and provide a society that could flourish and provide for everyone. The real problem with socialism was summed up nicely by Margret Thacher when she said, " Socialism is just great until you run out of other peoples money". You see socialism removes individual rights, and gives complete control to big government this is why it is doomed to failure, it is impossible to spend your way into prosperity something Obummer has never ever understood, it is common sense.
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It is, of course, axiomatic that you have to "spend money to make money." At any rate, socialism is about the working class spending the money it produces for its own benefit. Capitalism is about the capitalists enjoying wealth that others produce because (they arbitrarily assert, with military force to back them up) the money is "theirs."
 
resident_evil said:
They've forced caterers and photographers to work for a same sex marriage ceremony.
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1) Catering or photography aren't the same as 'performing' a wedding.
2) No, they haven't. They've simply fined companies for violating anti-discrimination laws. Not at all analogous to malls that don't allow unapproved private speech of ANY kind, hotels that have no obligation to provide books of any kind, or (according to allegations that are almost certainly unfounded) Facebook legally discriminating on the basis of politics, which is different from sex discrimination which violates local, state, and federal laws.
 
EatTheRich said:
1) Catering or photography aren't the same as 'performing' a wedding.
2) No, they haven't. They've simply fined companies for violating anti-discrimination laws. Not at all analogous to malls that don't allow unapproved private speech of ANY kind, hotels that have no obligation to provide books of any kind, or (according to allegations that are almost certainly unfounded) Facebook legally discriminating on the basis of politics, which is different from sex discrimination which violates local, state, and federal laws.
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1) I said they forced vendors to work. A future tense assertion of the effects of bankrupting size fines (by the way very big fines that bankrupt are unconstitutional).

2) First off, no, they fined them for their religious beliefs in a country fundamentally based on freedom of (and not from) religion. Its first tenet as a matter of fact. In a particular case it was $150K - effectively bankrupting a young couple. Not good for gays or the continued faith in government by a huge part of the population.
 
EatTheRich said:
1) Catering or photography aren't the same as 'performing' a wedding.
2) No, they haven't. They've simply fined companies for violating anti-discrimination laws. Not at all analogous to malls that don't allow unapproved private speech of ANY kind, hotels that have no obligation to provide books of any kind, or (according to allegations that are almost certainly unfounded) Facebook legally discriminating on the basis of politics, which is different from sex discrimination which violates local, state, and federal laws.
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There is a couple that's owned a wedding chapel for years that has recently gotten into trouble for not marrying a gay couple. Also, a few years ago a Methodist Church that routinely allowed the community to use a section of their grounds for recreation and various occasions was sued, successfully, by a gay couple who wanted their wedding ceremony on those grounds. The choice the church got was either let them have their wedding or cease to offer the property for any use.

Hotels have taken Bibles out of their rooms because people complained about them being there.
Malls and school districts have banned prayer on their premises because people complained about it.
The complaints are based on the notion that having to view a Bible in a room you are renting, or having to hear prayer in a public place "offend" atheists. The cross at ground zero was apparently so abhorrent to atheists that they claimed they were experiencing nausea and other physical symptoms.

On the one hand you've got people who are not being asked to participate in any religious activity winning battles to have evidence of faith kept from their view. On the other hand you've got people who ARE being asked to participate directly in something they feel forbidden to being fined and punished and harassed for saying no.
 
Jen said:
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I don't know of any government punishing any business for not performing same sex weddings but, if there are, it is wrong.

BTW, I gotta think there are millions of cons on Facebook - that whole cartoon is based on hooey.

Cons love hooey.

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Say I can't stand conservative women who wear cat masks and spout gibberish online. One walks into my bar and I tell her to get lost because it goes against my religious principles to serve her. She gets mad and says nothing. Now say I have a ton of friends who think exactly as I do and want to pass a law saying that the whole state, the whole nation, anyone, anytime, anywhere can tell this woman to jump in the lake because we won't give them gas, food, water, health care, legal protection, police protection, fire protection and so on at our discretion. Want to bet what your little cartoon would be then?
 
Woolleybugger said:
Say I can't stand conservative women who wear cat masks and spout gibberish online. One walks into my bar and I tell her to get lost because it goes against my religious principles to serve her. She gets mad and says nothing. Now say I have a ton of friends who think exactly as I do and want to pass a law saying that the whole state, the whole nation, anyone, anytime, anywhere can tell this woman to jump in the lake because we won't give them gas, food, water, health care, legal protection, police protection, fire protection and so on at our discretion. Want to bet what your little cartoon would be then?
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That's really, really lame.
 
Woolleybugger said:
Say I can't stand conservative women who wear cat masks and spout gibberish online. One walks into my bar and I tell her to get lost because it goes against my religious principles to serve her. She gets mad and says nothing. Now say I have a ton of friends who think exactly as I do and want to pass a law saying that the whole state, the whole nation, anyone, anytime, anywhere can tell this woman to jump in the lake because we won't give them gas, food, water, health care, legal protection, police protection, fire protection and so on at our discretion. Want to bet what your little cartoon would be then?
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What a stupid post.
 
 
Woolleybugger said:
Say I can't stand conservative women who wear cat masks and spout gibberish online. One walks into my bar and I tell her to get lost because it goes against my religious principles to serve her. She gets mad and says nothing. Now say I have a ton of friends who think exactly as I do and want to pass a law saying that the whole state, the whole nation, anyone, anytime, anywhere can tell this woman to jump in the lake because we won't give them gas, food, water, health care, legal protection, police protection, fire protection and so on at our discretion. Want to bet what your little cartoon would be then?
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And it would be your right to refuse service for whatever reason. But you lose business when 30% of the people in your state are cat women who don't show up to your ladies night and all your male customers dry up because they show up at the new pussy cat club down the road.
 
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