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Libs thought John Kennedy said........

NCmusicman

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"Ask NOT what you can do for your country but WHAT CAN MY COUNTRY DO FOR ME"

Libs live it... Libs love it... Obama embodies it.

What Obama missed learning as a kid living in Indonesia: "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country" John F. Kennedy
 
Obama worked for his community and helped the poor improve their lives. He did that for very little money at a time when he could have gotten a job for a lot more money. What has Mittless done for his country? We were at war and Mitt went to France to convert heathens to Mormonism.

George W. Bush supported the war in Vietnam, but volunteered for the champagne unit of the national guard...even used family influence to avoid active duty. We spent a million bucks to train Mr. Bush and then he transferred himself to a base with no planes and then refused a direct order to get a physical....finally getting a discharge a year early. Is that the result of Bush asking what he could do for his country? I guess I won't even ask about the Bush family business with the Nazis when we were at war with them....Or about Cheney's 5 deferrments and his wealth gained by making KBR the largest defense contractor on the planet....taxpayer money....

Obama pushed the concept of service with Americorps and you guys acted like he was proposing a new Nazi youth movement.....

Don't you get tired of trying to paint everyone else as less patriotic than you are? You certainly make me tired....
 
he,he ... and his school in Indonesia never taught him American history either... so he is a dunce at American history and clueless to American life. All he knows is Marx and Stalin.,,, taught by his communist mentor.

lol! obama wasnt even born then,!! hahahahahaahahaha
 
"Ask NOT what you can do for your country but WHAT CAN MY COUNTRY DO FOR ME"

Libs live it... Libs love it... Obama embodies it.

What Obama missed learning as a kid living in Indonesia: "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country" John F. Kennedy

Who's whining about raising tax rates on the wealthy? Wealthy libs?
 
lol! he moved back to america at age 10! if he didnt study american history after age 10, thats some school system u got there sparky! lol
 
Even wealthy conservatives agree that raising taxes on them is ok....only whackjobs like this guy think it is a bad idea and he most certainly isn't wealthy.

"Ask not what the wealthy can do for their country....NCMucusman says they do enough already"
 
Pulling their own weight? when they quit having to carry yours degs? Iotherwise shut up and opay for the social programs you want with money donated from Democrats only.....betcha that wont happen now will it!
 
Pulling their own weight? when they quit having to carry yours degs?
huh? These are LOCAL STATE budgets that are enhanced by between 25% and 75% by Federal inflows FROM BLUE STATES.

These pay for
  • Fire Departments (like the one in Paducah KY that allowed the house to burn out of spite)
  • Rural Ambulance services (via Highway Safety funds)
  • Rural Paved roads (same NHTSA)
  • 911 Services (same NHTSA)
  • Rural Hospitals (same NHTSA)
  • Rural Schools (Dept of Ed funds)
  • Driver's License validation (Homeland Security)
  • Port Authority (airport, marine port) staffing and funding
  • Air Traffic Control
  • Rural Power
  • Rural Telephony
  • Television and Radio station funding (Emergency Broadcast communications)
  • Internet backbone

etc. etc.

Now if you want to move the Red States back into the 1800s and repay us for all of this.. we'd be fine.


So unless you are willing to either

  • MOVE BACK to the 1800s
    or
  • Pull your Own Damn Weight
you might want to take your own advice about speaking out of turn.


Now


Iotherwise shut up and opay for the social programs you want with money donated from Democrats only.....betcha that wont happen now will it![/QUOTE]
 
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WhatConnecticut and Massachussetts are red States now?

cant you ever tell the truth Degs..FACTS MATTER

Connecticut pays $10 Billion+ more in federal taxes than it gets back
Massachusets pays $7 Billion+ more in federal taxes than it gets back http://taxfoundation.org/article/federal-taxes-paid-vs-federal-spending-received-state-1981-2005

So what "per capita" spending has to do with it is rather beyond me. That they make more money and only get PART of it back is what you and other conservatives call "taking from the productive and successful and giving to the Lazy Welfare sucks"

FACTS MATTER
All of them. Including the inconvenient ones.
 
must have been his drugs and booze kicking in time -- so he is still a dunce at American history and clueless to American life. All he knows is Marx and Stalin.,,, taught by his communist mentor.

QUOTE=gabriel;408070]lol! he moved back to america at age 10! if he didnt study american history after age 10, thats some school system u got there sparky! lol[/QUOTE]
 
Obama worked for his community and helped the poor improve their lives. He did that for very little money at a time when he could have gotten a job for a lot more money. What has Mittless done for his country? We were at war and Mitt went to France to convert heathens to Mormonism.

George W. Bush supported the war in Vietnam, but volunteered for the champagne unit of the national guard...even used family influence to avoid active duty. We spent a million bucks to train Mr. Bush and then he transferred himself to a base with no planes and then refused a direct order to get a physical....finally getting a discharge a year early. Is that the result of Bush asking what he could do for his country? I guess I won't even ask about the Bush family business with the Nazis when we were at war with them....Or about Cheney's 5 deferrments and his wealth gained by making KBR the largest defense contractor on the planet....taxpayer money....

Obama pushed the concept of service with Americorps and you guys acted like he was proposing a new Nazi youth movement.....

Don't you get tired of trying to paint everyone else as less patriotic than you are? You certainly make me tired....

Millions of dollars supplied by the Chicago Annenburg Challenge for the purpose of improving the Chicago schools supplied to Obama and Ayers dissappeared without a trace with absolutely no improvement in the school systems test scores. The kids sure learned how to protest, though "We need more free stuff!"
Dollars to donuts, in the meantime 'Bam and Bill were goin through the bucks "Ten for me and ten for you, and here's a buck for the kiddies and another ten for me and another ten for you and lets give the kiddies only a half this time and here's another ten for me and ten....."
 
Credibility is not a given

If you want to accuse the president of committing fraud you'll have to provide a verifiable source....

I won't hold my breath waiting for one from you.....
 
Quite on the contrary, libs like Obama are all about asking what they can do for their country.

When Obama graduated law school, he could have written his own ticket. He was charismatic, articulate, and had a legal degree from the top law school in the nation, where he'd held the most prestigious student position, as editor of the Law Review. He also had an interesting life story that would have made him a rock star in employment interviews. Moreover, he's black, so plenty of employers would have given him extra consideration out of a genuine desire to make their organizations more diverse, or just a cynical ploy to guard against discrimination suits by making their numbers look better. With all that going for him, Obama could have gotten himself into the highest-paying firm in the nation, with a fat signing bonus, and been on a fast track to partnership. He could have positioned himself to be earning seven figures within a few years.

Instead, he worked as a community organizer. He asked what he could do for his country, and it turns out that wasn't cashing big checks from well-heeled clients, it was fighting for the little guy. And Obama has kept on doing that. Despite his turn to community organizing and then local political office, neither of which was lucrative, he managed to amass himself a small fortune by way of his books and his celebrity generally. If he'd asked what his country could do for him, at that point, he would have said "cut my taxes." Like other members of his elite economic class, his personal self interests were better served by the GOP, which is almost single-mindedly dedicated to removing obstacles that would hamper rich guys like Obama from becoming even richer. But, again, Obama was more interested in what he could do for his country than what it could do for him. He advocated for policies that would hurt people in his own enviable economic circumstances, but that he believed would be favorable for the vast majority of his countrymen.

Obama learned the patriotic lesson of John Kennedy's words well. His life embodies that lesson. It's just sad that you never really understood it. You think that "asking what you can do for your country" applies only to OTHER PEOPLE. You think that all your country has any right to ask from you is that you turn a cold shoulder to your less fortunate fellow citizens. I find that sad.
 
Yep. The idea of condemning Obama by praising the sentiment behind Kennedy's words requires a special kind of stupid. It's hard to find a major political figure whose career is a better embodiment of Kennedy's vision than Obama's. Kennedy, during that speech, was setting up a vision that would include the Peace Corps and other acts of selfless service by ambitious young people. He would have LOVED the idea of some infinitely promising young man from the nation's finest school choosing not to enrich himself in the corporate or legal world, but rather to volunteer his efforts with community organizing and then a lifetime as a public servant.

I can see a principled right-winger of the Ayn Rand variety condemning both JFK's sentiments and Obama's life, on the theory that selflessness is bad and that ultimately we're all better off if we focus narrowly on achieving whatever is in our own personal self interest. I'd disagree with that worldview, which I think is morally reprehensible, but at least it's intellectually consistent. By comparison, praising JFK's sentiments and then imagining that somehow Obama must have missed them is just plain ridiculous.
 
Exactly. He's cherry-picking just half the equation: per capita federal spending. One could just as easily cherry-pick the other half of the equation: just per capita federal taxes. But you and I don't need to cherry-pick that way, because the facts are on our side. We can include both halves of the equation and still make our point.

Sometimes I feel just a little sorry for conservatives, notwithstanding their moral disabilities. The degree of difficulty for them, in these kinds of facts-based debates, is just so damned much harder. For example, imagine I tried to make the case that Democratic presidents were better for the economy, overall. The facts are so strongly in favor of that statement that I could be lazy, careless, and even a bit random in selecting supporting evidence, and I could still build a strong case. I could post average GDP growth rates. Or stock market growth rates. Or median income growth rates. Or payroll jobs growth rates. Or change in deficits. Or any of dozens of other metrics. I could start my comparison with FDR. Or with Kennedy. I could assume no delay in policy effectiveness (counting a president's first year against his own numbers), or I could assume a slight delay (counting that first year against his predecessor). Although those kinds of choices could all make a difference in exactly how big the out-performance of Democratic eras was, in the end, nearly any reasonable analysis I could put together would show the same thing, so my job's very easy. When History itself is effectively on my side, my work doesn't require a lot of imagination.

Now, compare that to the task faced by a Republican trying to make the opposite point -- that Republican presidents are better for the economy. The degree of difficulty on that one is exponentially greater than mine. He can't just randomly rummage around for a few likely comparisons, crunch the numbers, post them, and be done with it. He needs to crunch the numbers many times in many different ways, throwing out the vast majority of results, because they don't support his theory. He will probably end up having to cherry-pick his era, carefully select a variety of assumptions (e.g., assuming a two or three year delay on policy effectiveness, depending on exactly how much delay best pretties up the numbers for him), throw out a few years that "don't count" for whatever reason (e.g., the growth of the economy during WWII and Vietnam doesn't count, because that was fueled by war), and still wind up inventing some sort of hybrid stats like the "misery index," in order to find something that helps him out. He has to work much, much harder and be vastly more imaginative than a liberal like me who merely needs to survey reality randomly and he's likely to hit on a strong argument. Or, more likely, the conservative needs to search the Internet for some think tank product that has already done the imaginative cherry-picking and trial-and-error number crunching for him, so he merely has to repost their propaganda.
 
No doubt. Because......their "hearing comprehension" is just AS sucky as their reading comprehension is.....lol.

"Ask NOT what you can do for your country but WHAT CAN MY COUNTRY DO FOR ME"

Libs live it... Libs love it... Obama embodies it.

What Obama missed learning as a kid living in Indonesia: "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country" John F. Kennedy
 
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