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Losing Popularity.......

Zam-Zam

Zam-Zam

Senator
.....just like we knew it would:


Obamacare marked its third birthday last Saturday.

It is now even less popular than when it barely passed Congress in March 2010. The Kaiser Health Tracking Poll, which has always shown the highest support for Obamacare of any major poll, found that 46 percent of Americans approved it when it originally passed. Kaiser’s latest survey this month finds that only 37 percent approve. Breaking that down, only 18 percent of Republicans and 31 percent of independents have a favorable opinion of the health-care reform. Among Democrats, only 58 percent like Obamacare overall. By a margin of about 2 to 1, those who responded to the Kaiser poll believe that health-care costs will rise and the quality of health care will decline in coming years, exactly the opposite of what President Obama promised.


Complete text: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/343801/unhappy-birthday-obamacare-john-fund


Since these facts are unpleasant for some folks, they'll have to disparage someone. That will make them feel better, but of course won't actuallly change anything.
 
What else would the National Review have to say about anything Obama has done?

If there are problems with the PPACA perhaps neo-conservatives might remember the changes they asked for before supplying the votes needed to pass it.

In addition, it is only 2013, much of the law has not even kicked in.

http://www.nfib.com/advocacy/item?cmsid=60471

The more successful the results, the more desperate those that have opposed it will get to try to derail it before it offers something positive for the nation against their cries that it wouldn't. That being said, I don't expect it to be perfect, nor to run without a hitch until it has a chance to get fully up and running and has run for a while. It will likely need tweaking and single payer may be revisited at some point, but overall, I think it will be a plus for the nation. No return on investments can be made if one does not first put something forward as an investment.
 
KnotaFrayed said:
What else would the National Review have to say about anything Obama has done?

If there are problems with the PPACA perhaps neo-conservatives might remember the changes they asked for before supplying the votes needed to pass it.

In addition, it is only 2013, much of the law has not even kicked in.

http://www.nfib.com/advocacy/item?cmsid=60471
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If you dispute the Kaiser poll, show me a reputable poll that says the AFA is increasing in popularity. If you can't do that, just say so.


You can argue whether the AFA is good or bad, and we'll get nowhere. I'm simply showing you evidence that it isn't popular. Nothing we say or do here will change that today.
 
you've posted opinions of what people think might happen.

it means nothing....especially considering there's already evidence to the contrary....Medicare costs have slowed, consumers have gotten refunds from their insurance company due to the 80/20 med/loss ratio, small businesses are benefitting in covering their employees, insurance policies are covering young adults on their parents' policies, no co-pay annual check ups in Medicare and private insurerance have started, many insurers have already started no co-pay contraceptive coverage, etc., etc.

hospitals and medical professionals are anticipating much cost relief once the PPACA Medicaid expansion starts. many repub govs have gotten on board. the rest will probably be sued by eligible citizens to get with the program.
 
People bought the hype, now they are seeing it be implemented. Why anyone expected any different is beyond me. It is what Government does. Promises one thing - provides another.

connie
 
I would guess like with all the other posts regarding these "polls", and as was the case before, somewhere between 12-14% of those not liking it do so because they feel it didn't go far enough, not because of what it is.

Furthermore, it could well be (and likely is) more of gauge of the widespread ignorance about it than anything else. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/health-care-reform-survey_n_2915826.html ANd as noted their, many/all the different major elements, like keeping the kids on to 26, etc, poll high and positively.

I'm always amused by the rightwingnut crowing on the matter. Most of them don't seem to be aware that they should be supporting it, given that the dreaded socialist single-payer is the likely next step.
 
JuliefromOhio said:
you've posted opinions of what people think might happen.

it means nothing....especially considering there's already evidence to the contrary....Medicare costs have slowed, consumers have gotten refunds from their insurance company due to the 80/20 med/loss ratio, small businesses are benefitting in covering their employees, insurance policies are covering young adults on their parents' policies, no co-pay annual check ups in Medicare and private insurerance have started, many insurers have already started no co-pay contraceptive coverage, etc., etc.

hospitals and medical professionals are anticipating much cost relief once the PPACA Medicaid expansion starts. many repub govs have gotten on board. the rest will probably be sued by eligible citizens to get with the program.
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I posted a poll result. The numbers are what they are. Whether or not one approves of those numbers will not change them.
 
connieb said:
People bought the hype, now they are seeing it be implemented. Why anyone expected any different is beyond me. It is what Government does. Promises one thing - provides another.

connie
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Aw connieb, you've never been promised something outside the government and been provided with something that was not "as advertised"? How many employers took advantage of a tax benefit to them for providing health care benefits for their employees, then reneged on the full scope of the benefit they hired people under, but still expect those employees to deliver the same in return for their compensation packages even though the compensation has been pared back?
 
Sure, I have. And, I have had several options. Return the product, complain until I get my money back, refuse to pay for a service or product not to my satisfaction, or ultimately it if is really bad - sue to get my money back.

Which of those options do I have in this case when I am unhappy with the empty promises of Government?
 
Zam-Zam said:
If you dispute the Kaiser poll, show me a reputable poll that says the AFA is increasing in popularity. If you can't do that, just say so.


You can argue whether the AFA is good or bad, and we'll get nowhere. I'm simply showing you evidence that it isn't popular. Nothing we say or do here will change that today.
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"isn't popular" based on what, something that has not been fully implemented?
 
I don't trust either. But, when the insurance company screws me, I at least have the Government to turn to as a last resort to help force them to provide the care they promised... where do I turn when its the Government who has no interest in providing the service they promised, or provide one grossly deficient from what they promised?

connie
 
connieb said:
Sure, I have. And, I have had several options. Return the product, complain until I get my money back, refuse to pay for a service or product not to my satisfaction, or ultimately it if is really bad - sue to get my money back.

Which of those options do I have in this case when I am unhappy with the empty promises of Government?
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Vote for someone else. Or you can find another government you think is better, but that means moving from this nation.

Who do you call when you've been ripped off by an illegal scam?
 
KnotaFrayed said:
"isn't popular" based on what, something that has not been fully implemented?
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Based on the poll results. If you want to argue it will eventually become popular when implemented fully, fine, but that would be speculation. I'm simply telling you what the reality is now. Whether you or I approve or don't approve of the reality is irrelevant.
 
Zam-Zam said:
Based on the poll results. If you want to argue it will eventually become popular when implemented fully, fine, but that would be speculation. I'm simply telling you what the reality is now. Whether you or I approve or don't approve of the reality is irrelevant.
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The poll results are speculation now. Your article says the "evidence" is anecdotal and says that "Obamacare" cannot be to blame for it all. Which brings up the question the article does not discuss and one which few argued before the PPACA became law which was the rising expense and decline of health care, if not just affordable access to it, thus a universally agreed to feeling that health care reform was needed before it became another crisis on the scale of the housing crisis.
 
KnotaFrayed said:
It was interesting that the National Review article did not provide a link to the Kaiser poll.

Going to the poll itself possibly explains why.
http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/8425.cfm
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In general, the country remains roughly evenly divided on the ACA, with 40 percent holding an unfavorable view of the law and 37 percent holding a favorable one. Views of the law by party continue to be as polarized as ever.

http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/8425.cfm


37% is exactly the figure quoted. And there it is, on page one.
 
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