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Medicare for all

PNWest said:
GOPCare - "If you get sick - die quickly"
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There is no such thing as GOPCare. One of your KOOOK sites again?

1. There have been health insurance companies in America since around 1910. The cost of health care rose with the rate of inflation.

2. Health care costs began to skyrocket in 1964, when Medicare allowed doctors and hospitals to price gouge.

3. And you want that SAME macroeconomic disaster to apply to everyone?

TALK ABOUT WELFARE TO THE RICH!!!
 
reason10 said:
There is no such thing as GOPCare. One of your KOOOK sites again?

1. There have been health insurance companies in America since around 1910. The cost of health care rose with the rate of inflation.

2. Health care costs began to skyrocket in 1964, when Medicare allowed doctors and hospitals to price gouge.

3. And you want that SAME macroeconomic disaster to apply to everyone?

TALK ABOUT WELFARE TO THE RICH!!!
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Not a shred of an idea in that rant. Just more bitching and moaning.
 
The plan is, go to the emergency room, they have to treat you for free - that is what grandpa said anyway !
 
reason10 said:
There is no such thing as GOPCare. One of your KOOOK sites again?

1. There have been health insurance companies in America since around 1910. The cost of health care rose with the rate of inflation.

2. Health care costs began to skyrocket in 1964, when Medicare allowed doctors and hospitals to price gouge.

3. And you want that SAME macroeconomic disaster to apply to everyone?

TALK ABOUT WELFARE TO THE RICH!!!
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Indeed.


A few facts:


While the year 1964 itself saw a relatively modest healthcare inflation rate of 2.04%, it is historically remembered as the precipice of the single most dramatic healthcare price surge in U.S. history. The events set in motion during 1964 and early 1965 triggered a permanent shift in how American medical care was financed and priced. [1, 2, 3]
The drivers behind this specific historical turning point include:

1. The Pre-Medicare Surge (1964)
Prior to 1965, the federal government had a minimal role in healthcare. Most Americans paid for care completely out of pocket or through burgeoning private employer insurance plans. [1, 2]
    • In 1964, national health spending experienced a double-digit jump of 10.7% (rising to $38.2 billion overall). [1]
    • This massive wave of spending was fueled by a rapid, post-war expansion of private employer-sponsored health insurance plans. As more people gained coverage, the utilization of medical services spiked, giving hospitals and physicians the leverage to raise fees. [1,
    • 2. The 1965 Enactment of Medicare and Medicaid
      The legislative groundwork laid in 1964 culminated on July 30, 1965, when President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Social Security Amendments of 1965, establishing Medicare and Medicaid. [1]
        • Virtually overnight, millions of older and low-income Americans who previously could not afford medical bills were brought into the insured system. [1]
        • This historic expansion of coverage unleashed immense pent-up demand for hospital stays and physician services. [1]

    • 3. The Fee-for-Service Inflation Shock (1966)
      When Medicare officially began paying its first claims on July 1, 1966, healthcare costs exploded. [1, 2]
      • The Payment Model Effect: The newly formed government programs adopted a "fee-for-service" reimbursement model, modeled after private plans like Blue Cross. Hospitals and doctors billed for every single individual service, and the government paid those bills with virtually no cost-containment limits. [1, 2]
 
Zam-Zam said:
Indeed.


A few facts:


While the year 1964 itself saw a relatively modest healthcare inflation rate of 2.04%, it is historically remembered as the precipice of the single most dramatic healthcare price surge in U.S. history. The events set in motion during 1964 and early 1965 triggered a permanent shift in how American medical care was financed and priced. [1, 2, 3]
The drivers behind this specific historical turning point include:

1. The Pre-Medicare Surge (1964)
Prior to 1965, the federal government had a minimal role in healthcare. Most Americans paid for care completely out of pocket or through burgeoning private employer insurance plans. [1, 2]
    • In 1964, national health spending experienced a double-digit jump of 10.7% (rising to $38.2 billion overall). [1]
    • This massive wave of spending was fueled by a rapid, post-war expansion of private employer-sponsored health insurance plans. As more people gained coverage, the utilization of medical services spiked, giving hospitals and physicians the leverage to raise fees. [1,
    • 2. The 1965 Enactment of Medicare and Medicaid
      The legislative groundwork laid in 1964 culminated on July 30, 1965, when President Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Social Security Amendments of 1965, establishing Medicare and Medicaid. [1]
        • Virtually overnight, millions of older and low-income Americans who previously could not afford medical bills were brought into the insured system. [1]
        • This historic expansion of coverage unleashed immense pent-up demand for hospital stays and physician services. [1]

    • 3. The Fee-for-Service Inflation Shock (1966)
      When Medicare officially began paying its first claims on July 1, 1966, healthcare costs exploded. [1, 2]
      • The Payment Model Effect: The newly formed government programs adopted a "fee-for-service" reimbursement model, modeled after private plans like Blue Cross. Hospitals and doctors billed for every single individual service, and the government paid those bills with virtually no cost-containment limits. [1, 2]
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That's just a bullshit correlation not a cause of increased costs. The real reason for the increased costs are is the increased and improved level of care. Right before the boomers were born going to the hospital it slightly better than going to a really clean hotel. Doctors didn't do a lot except compared to today.
Nowadays they can diagnose, treat and cure ailments that were thought to be impossible. That progress comes with a costs, but that cost pays for a reduction in pain, quality of life, extended life spans, and better outcomes.

Is there price gouging. Probably, is that insurances fault? No, it's greedy Doctors, hospitals, and pharma companoes fault, and inept prosecutors failing to go after price gouging healthcare providers.
 
ObamacareForever said:
That's just a bullshit correlation not a cause of increased costs. The real reason for the increased costs are is the increased and improved level of care. Right before the boomers were born going to the hospital it slightly better than going to a really clean hotel. Doctors didn't do a lot except compared to today.
Nowadays they can diagnose, treat and cure ailments that were thought to be impossible. That progress comes with a costs, but that cost pays for a reduction in pain, quality of life, extended life spans, and better outcomes.

Is there price gouging. Probably, is that insurances fault? No, it's greedy Doctors, hospitals, and pharma companoes fault, and inept prosecutors failing to go after price gouging healthcare providers.
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Far be it from me to suggest that you don't know everything.
 
ObamacareForever said:
That's just a bullshit correlation not a cause of increased costs. The real reason for the increased costs are is the increased and improved level of care. Right before the boomers were born going to the hospital it slightly better than going to a really clean hotel. Doctors didn't do a lot except compared to today.
Nowadays they can diagnose, treat and cure ailments that were thought to be impossible. That progress comes with a costs, but that cost pays for a reduction in pain, quality of life, extended life spans, and better outcomes.

Is there price gouging. Probably, is that insurances fault? No, it's greedy Doctors, hospitals, and pharma companoes fault, and inept prosecutors failing to go after price gouging healthcare providers.
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Maybe when you grow older you will see the wisdom you presently don't have.
YOU are the best insurance client, Until YOU file a claim.

2020 YOU where so scared of dying TOU offered to pay for the Covid jab to get in front of the elderly and it's understandable why YOU are so scared of dying.........due to your post.
 
Zam-Zam said:
Far be it from me to suggest that you don't know everything.
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And you just recite the same overly simplistic view that right-wingers have said for the past 50 years. "DuRr, GoVERnMeNt DiD It"

Healthcare is complicated issue that involves economics, and morality. Neither of which are right-wingers have an aptitude for.

Should people pay for the Healthcare?
Yes

Do some people need assistance doing so?
Yes

Should the government being offering that assistance?
Yes

Hence the necessity of Obamacare.
 
ObamacareForever said:
And you just recite the same overly simplistic view that right-wingers have said for the past 50 years. "DuRr, GoVERnMeNt DiD It"

Healthcare is complicated issue that involves economics, and morality. Neither of which are right-wingers have an aptitude for.

Should people pay for the Healthcare?
Yes

Do some people need assistance doing so?
Yes

Should the government being offering that assistance?
Yes

Hence the necessity of Obamacare.
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Funny how other western democracies with SOCIALIZED medicine pay less and have better care than we do where the bulk of the medical care is privately run.

You just don't see any other western democracie clamoring for their governments to keep their hands off their healthcare. Socialized medicine is cheaper and more effective, That is a simple fact. It is not the be all and end all. A socialized medicine approach coupled with allowing private medical practitioners is probably about as good as we humans can do for now.
 
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ObamacareForever said:
And you just recite the same overly simplistic view that right-wingers have said for the past 50 years. "DuRr, GoVERnMeNt DiD It"

Healthcare is complicated issue that involves economics, and morality. Neither of which are right-wingers have an aptitude for.

Should people pay for the Healthcare?
Yes

Do some people need assistance doing so?
Yes

Should the government being offering that assistance?
Yes

Hence the necessity of Obamacare.
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I provided facts, properly sourced.

You provided opinion, not backed by anything.
 
Zam-Zam said:
Far be it from me to suggest that you don't know everything.
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Imagine…arrogantly calling others out in a post loaded with typos, errors, and blithering inarticulate pigeon English buttered across underachieving paragraphs.

Zero humility, even less competency.

Somehow, technology improvements and advancement uniquely hinders healthcare affordability, while it improves access and affordability in other sectors (where government interference and heavy-handedness is not prevalent). Reflexive apologetics for the State must be offered.
 
Zam-Zam said:
I provided facts, properly sourced.

You provided opinion, not backed by anything.
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Correct. Opinions stated as “givens”. As “facts”.

Also ignored by government-worshipping loons…the fact that most other nations that socialize their healthcare have their defense budgets chopped by virtue of USA taxpayers funding such, the USA eating the lion’s share of pharma R&D costs, freeing up billions to allocate to social programs… and so forth.

…then…you get to abide a lecture on the “simplistic” rube-like understanding and treatment of topics.

Again… Zero humility, and even less competency.

Inevitably, the dregs are convinced of their ascendancy.
 
RickWA said:
Imagine…arrogantly calling others out in a post loaded with typos, errors, and blithering inarticulate pigeon English buttered across underachieving paragraphs.

Zero humility, even less competency.

Somehow, technology improvements and advancement uniquely hinders healthcare affordability, while it improves access and affordability in other sectors (where government interference and heavy-handedness is not prevalent). Reflexive apologetics for the State must be offered.
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Your posts are soooo repetitive that it looks like AI writes them.
 
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