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More Voter Suppression Is Needed, Not Less

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Spamature

President
I would give them lower ossetia... But...um no.
How about this ?

We stop people from running red lights by requiring them to be registered to vote in order to drive a car.

That makes about as much sense as what they are doing if they were actually looking for a solution to that problem.
 

PhilFish

Administrator
Staff member
How about this ?

We stop people from running red lights by requiring them to be registered to vote in order to drive a car.

That makes about as much sense as what they are doing if they were actually looking for a solution to that problem.
Odd. I don't think there is a problem other than the claim of disenfranchising
 

Spamature

President
“The working man has no country.”-Karl Marx

In the years leading up to the War of 1812, there were more American expatriates in Upper Canada than Canadian-born subjects, and they were a powerful force for republican and democratic politics. If the American invasion of Canada ... supported by much of the American-Canadian population ... had succeeded in the war, the interests of the working class would have been advanced.
I am a, "the moment dictates the ideology" type.


At a particular time you can make the case for just about any kind of ideology.


At the beginning of the pandemic libertarianism met the real world and every man for himself emptied the store shelves like this was a Third World country and made us the most infected nation on Earth.


China is an authoritarian dictatorship but considering their population size and density they did better than any other country in controlling the spread of that virus.



None of it is sacrosanct.
 

Spamature

President
Odd. I don't think there is a problem other than the claim of disenfranchising
Then why are imposing ID requirements if there is no other problem besides people being disenfranchised because of these laws ?

The only problem ID laws solve is, how could Republicans shave election results in their favor ?
 

PhilFish

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Then why are imposing ID requirements if there is no other problem besides people being disenfranchised because of these laws ?

The only problem ID laws solve is, how could Republicans shave election results in their favor ?
I don't know that anyone is. You claim it. Who?
 

EatTheRich

President
Eh, without ID how did they get a job they need mandatory time off to get an ID?
Presumably they had ID when they got the job, and the ID was no longer (if it ever was) qualifying to vote when they went to vote. For example, they got a job with a driver's license showing a former address (no problem), then that same license wasn't accepted for voting (not because of anything related to election integrity, only to create a hurdle to voting).
 

EatTheRich

President
I am a, "the moment dictates the ideology" type.


At a particular time you can make the case for just about any kind of ideology.


At the beginning of the pandemic libertarianism met the real world and every man for himself emptied the store shelves like this was a Third World country and made us the most infected nation on Earth.


China is an authoritarian dictatorship but considering their population size and density they did better than any other country in controlling the spread of that virus.



None of it is sacrosanct.
Well said. At the risk of putting a dogmatic-sounding label on it, I'd say your non-ideological approach is the essence of the dialectical materialist method.
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
Presumably they had ID when they got the job, and the ID was no longer (if it ever was) qualifying to vote when they went to vote. For example, they got a job with a driver's license showing a former address (no problem), then that same license wasn't accepted for voting (not because of anything related to election integrity, only to create a hurdle to voting).
You prove to live in a fantasy world
You need a social security number to get a job
86 your address BS

All US States Now Compliant Ahead of REAL ID Deadline | Homeland Security (dhs.gov)
 

Dawg

President
Supporting Member
More than a dozen states won't accept social security cards as voting ID. Anyway, your efforts to create a nationwide federal ID have a distinct "let's see your papers" feel.
Guess which President Signed the law I posted of____________
 

Spamature

President
Well said. At the risk of putting a dogmatic-sounding label on it, I'd say your non-ideological approach is the essence of the dialectical materialist method.
All the ideologies are broken clocks.

At some point time any of them could be right.
Then a minute later they're wrong and one of the others are right.
 

PhilFish

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No it is not.
They were fine competing without it until they lost.
What are you babbling about? The issue is the attempt by the GOP to disenfranchise people I'm supporting thwarting that effort by providing free ID to people who may need it. That would be eliminating the disenfranchisement....
 

protectionist

Governor
Then make it 1001 because I would like to know where you got this idea the election was stolen from. That is the question before you.

It should be something you know. So how about an answer.
Do you realize how extensive the 2020 election fraud was ? Do you know what you're asking ? It could take you a week (or more) to read through even just a partial list of it all (if you do it right, clicking the links and sub links)

Ok - you asked, but the answer is too large for PJ to accomodate in one post, so it will have to be posted covering a series of posts >>

Arizona
An anonymous email sent to the Justice Department criminal division and Arizona legislature alleged that in Pima County, 35,000 votes were fraudulently embedded in advance of the election on behalf of each Democratic candidate at the local and federal level. The allegation coincides with a spike or "injection" of 143,000 votes noted at 8:06 p.m. on election night.

According to the email, discussed at a hearing, Pima County Democrats held a meeting on Sept. 10, 2020 in which plans were detailed to illegally inject 35,000 votes for each Democrat at the outset in statistically adjusted embeds that could be written off as human error if audited.

There was no proper validation of 1.9 million signatures on mail in ballots.

Dominion machines were connected to the internet, according to a witness at a GOP hearing, raising serious security issues.

A hearing witness states she was instructed to allow people to vote who were not registered in the state, who were not on the voter rolls, who had out of state driver's licenses, who not had been residents long enough, who had not registered in time or who said they were registered in another state. However, pro-Trump voters from other counties were sent away, she says. She also says somebody apparently brought homeless people from outside the precinct in to vote. She also says 13,000 votes, when counted, were unobserved by Republicans.

She says just what she personally observed over five hours in one day impacted approximately 2,000 votes. She also said a poll observer for Democrats from California told her he was there "to help turn this precinct blue... this is one of our problem ones." He told her they were also focusing on Maricopa County.

A Republican Party leader says she watched votes for Trump be changed to or counted for Biden once they were place in the machine. In a lawsuit, she also says in parts of Maricopa County there were not proper safeguards verifying that mail-in ballots came from registered voters. She also says Republicans were not allowed a proper view of the counting process. (More to come from Arizona hearing soon...)

Watch: Arizona hearing

State officials blame “a data error” for conflicting and fluctuating results in one county that dropped the appearance of Biden’s lead by 6,000 votes, and then posted it back again.

Read More

California
Two men are charged with voter fraud after they allegedly submitted more than 8,000 fraudulent voter registration applications for homeless people between July and October 2020.

https://da.lacounty.gov/media/news/pair-charged-voter-fraud
 
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protectionist

Governor
Then make it 1001 because I would like to know where you got this idea the election was stolen from. That is the question before you.

It should be something you know. So how about an answer.
answer Continued >>>

Georgia
Allegations of "clear evidence of vote switching" from Trump to Biden, including 30,000 votes among several counties.


There were illegal votes from as many as 2,560 felons; 66,247 underage residents; 2,423 people who were not registered; 4,926 people who registered in another state after Georgia; more than 395 people who voted twice; 8,718 dead people; 2,664 who received absentee ballots outside the deadline; illegally blocked observers; failure to properly match signatures and verify identify and eligibility. That's according to a lawsuit filed on behalf of President Trump on Dec. 4.

Statistical analysis shows Biden pulling from behind in improbably consistent increments in Georgia and other states. “On Wednesday, Nov. 4, the New York Times reported President Trump was leading in Georgia by 103,997 votes. Then the Times’ continuous voting updates showed ballots arriving for Biden in multiples of 4,800 votes over and over again. In some vote dumps, the President actually lost votes.” This continued until Biden pulled ahead by almost exactly 1,000 votes, gaining 104,984 votes in multiples of 4,800.


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In Fulton County, all 900 military ballots went for Joe Biden. The 100% military vote rate for Biden seems improbably in conflict with the 2016 split, where Trump reportedly won the overall military vote 60% to 34%, according to attorney Lin Wood.

On election night, Georgia election officials suspended the vote count, citing a water leak in a master pipe. When Republican observers left, thousands of votes were counted, exclusively for Joe Biden. When people inquired, there was no work order for any leak. The only reported leak that night was a small leak in a toilet that “had nothing to do with a room with ballot counting,” according to a lawsuit filed by attorney Lin Wood. This was confirmed by a later investigation held by a state official.

Read Lin Wood Lawsuit

Election workers put masses of ballots in the wrong stacks and blocked Republican observers; there were suspiciously “pristine" “pre-printed” ballots; thousands of voters registered at specific, fraudulent addresses; 20,311 absentee or early votes were cast by people who were registered as having moved out of state; 96,000 votes were illegally counted for Biden; absentee ballot signatures were not properly matched. That’s according to attorney Sidney Powell’s lawsuit. The lawsuit also states that Dominion voting machines allowed for manual manipulation of vote tallies and alteration of settings to put ballots in a “question” pile where they can be deleted.

Read Sidney Powell Lawsuit

Attorney and registered Democrat Carlos Silva says he observed “widespread fraud” in several precincts, always benefitting Biden. At one precinct, a stack of absentee ballots had perfectly filled out black bubbles and, as poll workers went through the stack, he heard them call out Biden’s name “more than 500 times in a row.” At a second precinct, he observed similarly filled in black bubbles for Biden on absentee ballots and poll workers moved him away from his observation position. He observed absentee ballots for Trump counted for Biden; says the required signature verification process was not being followed; and thousands of the “perfect bubble” ballots were for Biden, with no state or local candidates selected. The claims are filed in a sworn declaration.

Read Declaration

Government data indicates "well over 100,000 illegal votes [in Georgia] were improperly counted, while tens of thousands of legal votes were not counted.” That’s according to the Thomas Moore Society's Amistad Project, which has filed litigation questioning more than 200,000 Georgia ballots.

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Gov. Brian Kemp illegally authorized election officials to open outer envelopes of absentee ballots three weeks before the election, which is prohibited by state law, according to a lawsuit.

A Project Veritas video claims observers heard votes for Trump being counted for Biden.

See Video

Some voters who requested a mail-in ballot but instead decided to vote in person on Election Day were denied the chance to vote in person, according to a witness. The witness also said many such voters were denied the opportunity to cast a “provisional” mail-in ballot on Election Day. Signatures on mail-in ballot envelopes weren’t verified during the recount, says a witness. Some counties didn’t recount ballots by hand, but improperly used machines. One observer said he saw a batch of ballots that was suspiciously “pristine,” almost all for Biden, and “there was a difference in the texture of the paper.”

At a Milton, Georgia, precinct, poll workers were asked to sign a chain of custody letter a day and a half before the voting machines arrived, according to a witness. She also said the machines were not sealed or locked as required, and the serial numbers didn’t match.

One observer described many batches of ballots in which every vote was for Biden, and says he saw that the watermark on some ballots differed from the rest.

Read More

Read Declaration

More than 1,000 early/absentee votes were cast by people whose registered addresses are at post offices, UPS, and FedEx; willfully disguising the box numbers as ‘Apt,’ ‘Unit,’ etc. in violation of state election law. That’s according to Matt Braynard, former data and strategy director for President Trump’s 2016 campaign. (A sample of 15 such address entries in a Nov. 24 tweet):

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The hand recount was not legitimate because pro-Trump observers were not allowed proper access, according to multiple observers. Some votes for Trump were placed into piles for Biden. Some ballots from the “No Vote” and “Jorgensen” candidate trays were moved to the “Biden” tray, according to one witness.

A recount monitor flagged a 9,626-vote error in the hand recount in DeKalb County, according to the chairman of the Georgia Republican Party in a declaration. One batch had 10,707 votes for Biden and 13 for Trump. But the true count was 1,081 for Biden and 13 for Trump. Two official counters had signed off on the miscounted batch.

Read Affidavit

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A post-election audit and recount discovered memory cards with thousands of uncounted ballots, most of them for Trump, two weeks after the election: 508 in Walton County, 2,600 in Floyd County and 2,755 in Fayette County. The discovery cut Biden’s lead in the state by more than 1,400 votes.

Read More
 
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