Obamacare Update....

[Deleted member 21794]

So here we are.... prices have gone up. People are penalized for not being able to afford the new, higher prices. The only people who have made out are the moochers, with a large majority of the growth of the newly insured being via Medicaid.

And you dare to say liberalism isn't a mental disease?

 

[as seen on tv]

So here we are.... prices have gone up. People are penalized for not being able to afford the new, higher prices. The only people who have made out are the moochers, with a large majority of the growth of the newly insured being via Medicaid.

And you dare to say liberalism isn't a mental disease?

anyone who believed that Obamacare would allow us to:

- insure everyone in the nation
- cover pre-existing conditions
- cut costs
- and allow us to keep our doctors

is probably either on drugs, or public school dropout.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

So here we are.... prices have gone up. People are penalized for not being able to afford the new, higher prices. The only people who have made out are the moochers, with a large majority of the growth of the newly insured being via Medicaid.

And you dare to say liberalism isn't a mental disease?

Aetna left, among other major health insurers. Now state after state is dealing with departures from Obamacare. Deterioration of care, and carriers not being able to continue long term.

The math is pretty simple. Obamacare can't continue as it's planned. If there's no fixes, the Blue Cross and HMO plans will by definition have to leave, and it'll go "belly up". It'll be a complete failure.

Of course, the left feeds off "but it's helping people who wouldn't have been helped".... Nobody doesn't want to see people not get help, the question avoided is, is it sustainable, and will it harm others in the long run?

No, it's not sustainable. Yes, its effects will harm people.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

anyone who believed that Obamacare would allow us to:

- insure everyone in the nation
- cover pre-existing conditions
- cut costs
- and allow us to keep our doctors

is probably either on drugs, or public school dropout.

Whenever I bring up premium increases, *middleview* reminds me Obamacare hasn't been fully implemented yet. So just wait, those decreases are coming soon. Honest!

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Aetna left, among other major health insurers. Now state after state is dealing with departures from Obamacare. Deterioration of care, and carriers not being able to continue long term.

The math is pretty simple. Obamacare can't continue as it's planned. If there's no fixes, the Blue Cross and HMO plans will by definition have to leave, and it'll go "belly up". It'll be a complete failure.

Of course, the left feeds off "but it's helping people who wouldn't have been helped".... Nobody doesn't want to see people not get help, the question avoided is, is it sustainable, and will it harm others in the long run?

No, it's not sustainable. Yes, its effects will harm people.

I know I'm splitting hairs, but I would argue it needs to be scrapped altogether. I believe there is basic logic Obamacare cheerleaders just don't get. When you insulate a consumer of a product or service from its cost, the cost will rise. I believe this is a big part of what we're seeing.

I believe the answer is less coverage, with insurance kicking when bones are broken and similar measures of severity. People should also pay for personal risks they take that are controllable. Do you smoke? Pay up. Are you fat? Pay up. Do you ride a motorcycle without a helmet? Pay up. Do you work out on a regular basis? Maybe you get a discount.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I know I'm splitting hairs, but I would argue it needs to be scrapped altogether. I believe there is basic logic Obamacare cheerleaders just don't get. When you insulate a consumer of a product or service from its cost, the cost will rise. I believe this is a big part of what we're seeing.

I believe the answer is less coverage, with insurance kicking when bones are broken and similar measures of severity. People should also pay for personal risks they take that are controllable. Do you smoke? Pay up. Are you fat? Pay up. Do you ride a motorcycle without a helmet? Pay up. Do you work out on a regular basis? Maybe you get a discount.

Who is going to prove those things though, and what happens when they simply don't?

Are we going to force tobacco tests?

I mean, some "fat" people have medical conditions. And what scale would they use, BMI? By BMI, ripped powerlifters are considered "obese".

And how do you know people are working out or not? Even if given a free workout pass, they could simply swipe in and leave.

We would need a whole new auditing system. It might not be so easy.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Who is going to prove those things though, and what happens when they simply don't?

Are we going to force tobacco tests?

I mean, some "fat" people have medical conditions. And what scale would they use, BMI? By BMI, ripped powerlifters are considered "obese".

And how do you know people are working out or not? Even if given a free workout pass, they could simply swipe in and leave.

We would need a whole new auditing system. It might not be so easy.

Routine bloodwork, listening to a person's lungs or simply smelling them would establish tobacco use.

Weight: fat and lean muscle are measurable.

Working out: that would take a pretty sustained effort for someone to check in and simply walk out 15-20 times per month to get a small discount on health coverage.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Routine bloodwork, listening to a person's lungs or simply smelling them would establish tobacco use.

Weight: fat and lean muscle are measurable.

Working out: that would take a pretty sustained effort for someone to check in and simply walk out 15-20 times per month to get a small discount on health coverage.

Again, who is going to pay for all those tests?

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Again, who is going to pay for all those tests?

The consumer, if they want a discount for non-tobacco use. I had to get my blood drawn to qualify for life insurance discounts. It would work the same for health care.

 

[Wolfert Webber]

anyone who believed that Obamacare would allow us to:

- insure everyone in the nation
- cover pre-existing conditions
- cut costs
- and allow us to keep our doctors

is probably either on drugs, or public school dropout.

I disagree.

The dropouts don't get the full indoctrination, and oft times wise up "in the real world".

 

[Caroljo]

Whenever I bring up premium increases, *middleview* reminds me Obamacare hasn't been fully implemented yet. So just wait, those decreases are coming soon. Honest!

My surgeon back in April brought up the fact that it hasn't been completely implemented yet. She also said "if you think it's bad now, just wait until then". She had nothing good to say about it.

 

[Wolfert Webber]

Routine bloodwork, listening to a person's lungs or simply smelling them would establish tobacco use.

Weight: fat and lean muscle are measurable.

Working out: that would take a pretty sustained effort for someone to check in and simply walk out 15-20 times per month to get a small discount on health coverage.

Let's face it, obesity broke the health care system.

No government program can fix a population killing and crippling itself with hard drugs, booze and gluttony.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Let's face it, obesity broke the health care system.

No government program can fix a population killing and crippling itself with hard drugs, booze and gluttony.

Amen, brutha. From obesity we get heart disease, diabetes, joint replacements and god knows what else I'm forgetting because I'm not a health care professional.

And to think.... "the poor" in America are the most obese. Talk about perverted.

 

[Caroljo]

Routine bloodwork, listening to a person's lungs or simply smelling them would establish tobacco use.

Weight: fat and lean muscle are measurable.

Working out: that would take a pretty sustained effort for someone to check in and simply walk out 15-20 times per month to get a small discount on health coverage.

We have free membership to the hospital fitness center through our company. I know some people that have done that (swipe & leave). They only have to go 8 times a month (twice a week) to not be charged for it at the end of the month! But some will get close to the end of the month and do this so they don't get charged.....

 

[connieb]

Let's face it, obesity broke the health care system.

No government program can fix a population killing and crippling itself with hard drugs, booze and gluttony.

Indeed. Obesity causes so many other health problems. But, oddly enough.. it has largely been encouraged by bad nutritional advice given from good ole uncle sam.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

We have free membership to the hospital fitness center through our company. I know some people that have done that (swipe & leave). They only have to go 8 times a month (twice a week) to not be charged for it at the end of the month! But some will get close to the end of the month and do this so they don't get charged.....

Wow, that is disappointing to hear. They should just go and exercise.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Indeed. Obesity causes so many other health problems. But, oddly enough.. it has largely been encouraged by bad nutritional advice given from good ole uncle sam.

Amen.... the food pyramid is a prescription for obesity. I don't think it's coincidence it pushes a lot of what the US has a surplus of: breads, grains, etc.

What a shame we are so politicized we wouldn't even have a prayer of coming up with a new, effective food pyramid due to all the lobbying groups that would come in and want their causes represented.

 

[Wolfert Webber]

Amen, brutha. From obesity we get heart disease, diabetes, joint replacements and god knows what else I'm forgetting because I'm not a health care professional.

And to think.... "the poor" in America are the most obese. Talk about perverted.

Look at black civil rights demonstrations and anti-war protest, and compare to similar current situations.
The difference in size of Americans then and now will astound you.

 

[Wolfert Webber]

Indeed. Obesity causes so many other health problems. But, oddly enough.. it has largely been encouraged by bad nutritional advice given from good ole uncle sam.

Advertising has accepted it too; chunkies abound.

 

[Dawg]

Amen, brutha. From obesity we get heart disease, diabetes, joint replacements and god knows what else I'm forgetting because I'm not a health care professional.

And to think.... "the poor" in America are the most obese. Talk about perverted.

ever noticed those using food stamps are obese