Obama's War on the chronically ill, the poor and the elderly....

[Lapcat]

started on the first of this month. Most Americans aren't even aware of it (yet). But they will be....as soon as either they, or one of their relatives, have to be re-admitted to a hospital for an on-going illness. They will probably be turned away and denied treatment due to this little-known "we have to pass it to know what's in it" CRAP CLAUSE in Obamacare. And the leftie projecting of accusing Ryan of pushing granny over the cliff is hilarious....when you consider that, under Obamacare and the leftists' "care"....

granny will never even make it TO the cliff.

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Obamacare Fines Start For Hospitals That Readmit Sick Patients

Hospitals who re-admit patients within 30 days after they were discharged will now have to, under an Obamacare provision, pay fines as of October 1, 2012, which could force hospitals to slash programs that help the elderly, the poor, and the chronically ill.

According to a study, "about two-thirds of the hospitals serving Medicare patients, or some 2,200 facilities, will be hit with penalties averaging around $125,000 per facility this coming year."

This provision was inserted into Obamacare as a cost-cutting measure, but it will force hospitals to give the poor, elderly, and chronically ill substandard care.

In addition, critics also note that "large teaching hospitals that are affiliated with universities" could be negatively impacted the most because these hospitals are often on the front lines in dealing with the elderly and the poor in addition to people who have mysterious illnesses who constantly need to be re-admitted to the hospital for urgent care.

As the Examiner notes:

Some observers believe that the new provision will place an enormous amount of added pressure on these populations, given that patients cannot be certain that their treatment will be up to par in the event of the need for readmission to the hospital after discharge. And hospitals that are already feeling the squeeze financially due to cutbacks in reimbursements from the government may be forced to limit the level of care given during readmission, resulting in patients being discharged long before they are ready.




More here:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...or-Hospitals-That-Readmit-Sick-Patients-Begin

 

[lilly]

Under Obama's health care overhaul, Medicare is pursuing efforts to try to improve quality and lower costs. They include rewarding hospitals for quality results, and encouraging hospitals, nursing homes and medical practice groups to join.

A hospital will only be fined to the amount you mentioned if over a 30 day period too many patients come back from complications.

This will improve quality of care and reinforce all those in the patient's care to work together and in the end save money.

 

[BobbyT]

Well gosh, if Brietbart.com said it must be true. Except it isn't.

First, the provision is to ensure that medicare patients receive the care they need and are not just stabilized and released - just to be readmitted to treat again what should have been treated in the first place. It is to ensure that even poor people get quality care. You care about poor people, don't you Lapcat?

Second, it applies to hospitals that go above a certain percentage of patients who are readmitted within 30 days, not for every single readmitted patient.

Third, it currently only applies to patients admitted for heart attacks, heart failure, and pneumonia.

Fourth, it will save billions of dollars: "Preventable readmissions: These cost the health care system about $25 billion every year, according to consulting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers."

But you go ahead and buy what breitbart.com is selling since I know you will.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/29/news/economy/healthreform_hospital_fines/index.htm

 

[JuliefromOhio]

Fourth, it will save billions of dollars: "Preventable readmissions: These cost the health care system about $25 billion every year, according to consulting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers."

worth repeating.

 

[MaryAnne]

Lapcat,If you have ever been in a hospital lately would know they pitch you out the door whether you are ready or not.Make them pay up they will think twice.

 

[Lapcat]

Uh....you obviously don't get it (shock!). Insurance companies don't want to pay more for longer stays. It makes no sense to punish the hospitals to the point that, if someone gets sick again after being released (and that happens a LOT with the elderly...in fact it happened a lot with both of my parents), the hospital will just refuse to admit you again rather than be fined by the damned government. This is going to punish the elderly and chronically ill, the very folks that insurance needs to protect the most. But hey....since it's being done by YOUR side, it's all A-OK then. Just wait until it is YOU though or someone in YOUR family. Then watch you screech.

Lapcat,If you have ever been in a hospital lately would know they pitch you out the door whether you are ready or not.Make them pay up they will think twice.

 

[Lapcat]

Another one that doesn't get it.

Obama wants a single-payer system, instead of the one we had. He is doing everything possible, via Obamacare, to destroy the healthcare system we had so that what we'll be left with IS his government-run, single-payer healthcare system. If you can't see that, and if you don't know how bad that will be for ALL Americans ....not just for the sick and the elderly....

then I don't know what to tell you.

Under Obama's health care overhaul, Medicare is pursuing efforts to try to improve quality and lower costs. They include rewarding hospitals for quality results, and encouraging hospitals, nursing homes and medical practice groups to join.

A hospital will only be fined to the amount you mentioned if over a 30 day period too many patients come back from complications.

This will improve quality of care and reinforce all those in the patient's care to work together and in the end save money.

 

[Lapcat]

Nice attempt at spin, but no ceegar. And even IF it only applies to heart attack, heart failure and pneumonia patients....

what group of people does that primarily consist of? The elderly (like my parents and like most of my generation's parents). It's a war on the elderly and it will cost lives. It won't bother the idiot left, of course, until one of THEIR family is refused re-admittance though.

Typical!

Well gosh, if Brietbart.com said it must be true. Except it isn't.

First, the provision is to ensure that medicare patients receive the care they need and are not just stabilized and released - just to be readmitted to treat again what should have been treated in the first place. It is to ensure that even poor people get quality care. You care about poor people, don't you Lapcat?

Second, it applies to hospitals that go above a certain percentage of patients who are readmitted within 30 days, not for every single readmitted patient.

Third, it currently only applies to patients admitted for heart attacks, heart failure, and pneumonia.

Fourth, it will save billions of dollars: "Preventable readmissions: These cost the health care system about $25 billion every year, according to consulting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers."

But you go ahead and buy what breitbart.com is selling since I know you will.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/29/news/economy/healthreform_hospital_fines/index.htm

 

[BrianDamage]

You care about poor people, don't you Lapcat?

Is this a serious question? :rofl:

 

[middleview]

Labrat's war on common sense.
1. a hospital cannot refuse admission.
2. This will prevent hospitals from kicking people out so they can maximize profits.
3. Romney's plan is to let people who have no insurance go back to the E/R. How do you suppose the E/R will deal with cancer, ALS, Alzheimer's, Multiple Sclerosis, Cystic Fibrosis, Diabetes, AIDS or Heart Disease? He's dumber than a box of rocks and he's your candidate....

 

[TwoWitnesses]

Dumbass. Nobody is "refused readmittance" as you put it. Everone is guaranteed quality care and will be readmitted as often as necessary as prescribed by the physician. We live in America, not Botswana. So no one's family member is in danger of not receiving quality care. We don't turn away seriously ill people and put them on the street. Get real.

 

[Mytzlplk]

don't trouble them with facts they are impotent in the face of.

obviously the "hurry up and die" crowd is gonna side with the moneymakers, no matter how many facts you bury them under

 

[Judy1]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE SKY IS FALLING...THE SKY IS FALLING......THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know it will do me no good to tell you that its really not as breitbart is depicting, but for the benefit of anyone else reading this, Section 3025 is there to improve hospital quality by encouraging hospitals to reduce readmissions. For example, if a patient has been hospitalized for heart disease, it is in the patients interest to ensure that he/she is released from the hospital when they've been adequately assessed for readiness to go home. if they need to be on medication, they to be educated on how to take their medications, and to ensure that they don't have any underlying infection before they go home. Why? because ensuring that a patient is ready and prepared to go home after an illness WILL SAVE MONEY! Sec 3025 encourages that. There have been plenty of studies done on medicare patients who come in for one thing, go home, and then get readmitted within 30 days. There are several things a hospital can to do reduce these occurences. if they recieve less of a reimbursement based on their readmission rate, they will be encouraged to correct it. I don't understand how someone would think that it would encourage substandard care, it does the opposite. WHY WOULDN"T YOU WANT YOUR HOSPITAL TO ENSURE THAT YOU ARE HEALTHY ENOUGH AND PREPARED ENOUGH TO BE SENT HOME WITHOUT HAVING TO MAKE A REPEAT VISIT IN 30 DAYS? Sheesh...... get a grip....

 

[Judy1]

Nice attempt at spin, but no ceegar. And even IF it only applies to heart attack, heart failure and pneumonia patients....

what group of people does that primarily consist of? The elderly (like my parents and like most of my generation's parents). It's a war on the elderly and it will cost lives. It won't bother the idiot left, of course, until one of THEIR family is refused re-admittance though.

Typical!

So you are perfectly okay with the hospital sending your sick parents home without really making sure that they are okay enough to go home? Glad I'm not your mother!

 

[fairsheet]

Auto mechanics used to get paid "by the book". If "the book" said changing those sparkplugs was a 2-hour job, they got paid for 2 hours, even if it took but an hour to do the job. That was good for them when they did two 2-hour jobs in 2 hours, but not so good when it took 'em 3 hours, to do one 2-hour job!

Another kicker was...once they got paid for that job?.....if anything went wrong with the job the did, they had to fix it without compensation. Maybe our healthcare milieu might try something along those lines?

 

[Judy1]

What a dumbshit attitude. EMTALA....Look it up

 

[BobbyT]

Nice attempt at spin, but no ceegar. And even IF it only applies to heart attack, heart failure and pneumonia patients....

what group of people does that primarily consist of? The elderly (like my parents and like most of my generation's parents). It's a war on the elderly and it will cost lives. It won't bother the idiot left, of course, until one of THEIR family is refused re-admittance though.

Typical!

Interesting that you portray facts as spin. Maybe you should read the actual wording and not the "breitbert" spin and educate yourself, if that's possible for you that is. It isn't IF it applies to the three things I mentioned, it is that it DOES currently apply to those three things. Facts are difficult things for you, aren't they? And no one will be 'refused admittance.' It's just that those hospitals that release patients prior to their actually having the care (and after care) they need are fined for failing their patients. Do you actually WANT the patients to be released prior to having thorough care? Or to not have the after care they need? Who here is at "war" with patients? I'm saying it's YOU and your ilk. AND it costs more money to the taxpayer to have these patients constantly readmitted instead of being taken care of at the outset. You clearly have not thought this through at all, just another anti-Obama knee jerk reaction absent any actual thought or evidence.

 

[BobbyT]

Is this a serious question? :rofl:

It was, but not one to which I expected a serious answer, sadly.

 

[888888]

started on the first of this month. Most Americans aren't even aware of it (yet). But they will be....as soon as either they, or one of their relatives, have to be re-admitted to a hospital for an on-going illness. They will probably be turned away and denied treatment due to this little-known "we have to pass it to know what's in it" CRAP CLAUSE in Obamacare. And the leftie projecting of accusing Ryan of pushing granny over the cliff is hilarious....when you consider that, under Obamacare and the leftists' "care"....

granny will never even make it TO the cliff.

***

Obamacare Fines Start For Hospitals That Readmit Sick Patients

Hospitals who re-admit patients within 30 days after they were discharged will now have to, under an Obamacare provision, pay fines as of October 1, 2012, which could force hospitals to slash programs that help the elderly, the poor, and the chronically ill.

According to a study, "about two-thirds of the hospitals serving Medicare patients, or some 2,200 facilities, will be hit with penalties averaging around $125,000 per facility this coming year."

This provision was inserted into Obamacare as a cost-cutting measure, but it will force hospitals to give the poor, elderly, and chronically ill substandard care.

In addition, critics also note that "large teaching hospitals that are affiliated with universities" could be negatively impacted the most because these hospitals are often on the front lines in dealing with the elderly and the poor in addition to people who have mysterious illnesses who constantly need to be re-admitted to the hospital for urgent care.

As the Examiner notes:

Some observers believe that the new provision will place an enormous amount of added pressure on these populations, given that patients cannot be certain that their treatment will be up to par in the event of the need for readmission to the hospital after discharge. And hospitals that are already feeling the squeeze financially due to cutbacks in reimbursements from the government may be forced to limit the level of care given during readmission, resulting in patients being discharged long before they are ready.




More here:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...or-Hospitals-That-Readmit-Sick-Patients-Begin

Yep this a fair piece that they used to prove their point. 1% to force hospitals to make sure they have dealt with a patients problems, not just put a bandaid on it and tell them go home as you bill Medicare.

Here's a little bit of what the site he got his report from.

Commenter James Barnett.

“And who pays for all this extra service to Medicaid and Medicare Patients? Those of us with Insurance and Insurance Company’s are not willing to contest all the new charges, they just pass it on to the Middle Class and say your fortunate to be covered at all! Communism alway’s Kills the Middle Class, as we cannot afford to sue, or go without coverage, so we are Enslaved by both the Rich and the Poor, until we ourselves are Poor! By then the Government is Bankrupt and there is only Depression, Starvation, Homlesness, Depravity and Oppression. Ask any former Citizen of China or the Soviet Union! Please Wake-up America, Obama wants our Republic of Freedom and Prosperity, under GOD Destroyed and Replaced by a Worldwide Dictatorship under an Islamic Oligarchy! Write your Representatives and tell them to Purge our Government of all Muslim Brotherhood Insurgents in our Bureaucracy, before it is too late! Shalom!”

Yep those fair balanced people on thye right.

 

[888888]

Yep this a fair piece that they used to prove their point. 1% to force hospitals to make sure they have dealt with a patients problems, not just put a bandaid on it and tell them go home as you bill Medicare.

Here's a little bit of what the site he got his report from.

Commenter James Barnett.

“And who pays for all this extra service to Medicaid and Medicare Patients? Those of us with Insurance and Insurance Company’s are not willing to contest all the new charges, they just pass it on to the Middle Class and say your fortunate to be covered at all! Communism alway’s Kills the Middle Class, as we cannot afford to sue, or go without coverage, so we are Enslaved by both the Rich and the Poor, until we ourselves are Poor! By then the Government is Bankrupt and there is only Depression, Starvation, Homlesness, Depravity and Oppression. Ask any former Citizen of China or the Soviet Union! Please Wake-up America, Obama wants our Republic of Freedom and Prosperity, under GOD Destroyed and Replaced by a Worldwide Dictatorship under an Islamic Oligarchy! Write your Representatives and tell them to Purge our Government of all Muslim Brotherhood Insurgents in our Bureaucracy, before it is too late! Shalom!”

Yep those fair balanced people on thye right.

Want to bet how close to the middle class this guy is? LOL isn't funny how they always find a way to speak for the middle class.