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Ohio botched execution

Wulk said:
The argument against the death penalty is a simple one: innocent people have been convicted and executed. That aside, this drug execution seems a bit daft to me. What's wrong with a simple, professional, hanging? It's quick, efficient, cheap, and relatively painless.
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Or at the very least use the same stuff they use for animals - who are usually first sedated.
 
Caroljo said:
I know that.....you just don't see how much your presidents kicks the constitution under the rug when it doesn't suit him. But then again, you never see anything he does wrong. It's only ok when it's a liberal that is getting what they want......
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Ok......why don't you tell the Supreme Court that they don't know the constitution, again a lack of commonsense,,,if something was really a blatant violation of the Constitution the Republicans would be bringing it to the court. You can screech " unconstitutional" morning noon and night just to scare yourselves and that is exactly where they want you .....scared
 
Queen Titania said:
For many reasons I am against Capital Punishment and Prison- as we use it- for that matter.

But I don't completely agree with you on blood lust being the only reason for it - It is a natural human/animal instinct to destroy that which has been or iss or could be a danger to your 'tribe'. Blood lust comes surely for/from the chase which now a days is the Media - so second hand slaying of the monster.
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death by proxy...
 
Zoar said:
Carol--- the dude ASKED ME! I answered him. You then exclaim i am trying to tell people how to live, when I was simply answering his question. Chill the F out.
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And I was merely responding to your answer. I didn't mean that you were trying to tell people how to live, I just pointed out why I didn't think it was a good idea. The ONLY way I would consider letting that person live is if he was in solitary confinement for the rest of his life, and that means NO pleasures like tv, radio, anything. Then I'd really have to think about it....
 
Renee said:
I'm not ok with killing anyone..especially not me!
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Really? Then why is it that you decided a drug pusher was a more acceptable candidate for execution than a murderer/rapist. It was your suggestion, and entirely unprompted. Apparently you're harboring a soft spot for murdering rapists. What makes it acceptable to you to kill a drug dealer and not a murderer/rapist?

I'm sure there's psychologists who could earn a nobel prize if they could figure out that little conundrum.
 
JuliefromOhio said:
from The Blade:

01/17/2014
Egregious execution

WHAT happened Thursday morning at the Southern Ohio Correctional Facility in Lucasville has shamed Ohio to the nation and world.
Executed with a drug combination never tried before in the United States, 53-year-old Dennis McGuire took more than 15 minutes to die, as he convulsed, gasped, and snorted. He opened and shut his mouth as his stomach rose and fell.
What’s done cannot be undone, but Gov. John Kasich should now pause Ohio’s killing machine until the state has time to select a drug or multidrug cocktail that it can be reasonably sure is reliable, efficient, humane, and tested. A lack of national standards on how executions should proceed makes such a delay even more urgent.
To be sure, Dennis McGuire, a convicted murderer and rapist, is not a man who will elicit public sympathy. In truth, many Ohioans will say he did not suffer enough.
Under Ohio’s laws, McGuire’s death sentence was just and justifiable. But McGuire was sentenced to death, not death preceded by torture.
As carried out by the Department of Rehabilitation and Correction, his sentence desecrated the laws of Ohio and violated the most fundamental standards of a civilized society.
A nationwide shortage of lethal drugs has forced states, including Ohio, to find other ways to execute prisoners in a constitutional manner that avoids cruel and unusual punishment. But as they scramble to find drugs that are convenient and available, even if not adequately tested, expediency has trumped morality. The process has become almost haphazard — and increasingly open to legal and constitutional challenge.
After Ohio ran out of pentobarbital in September, The Blade editorial page, and others, urged Mr. Kasich not to rush into an imprudent and possibly inhumane procedure. The governor ignored those pleas, unmindful or indifferent to the dangers posed by an untested lethal cocktail.
As a result, Ohio became the first state in the nation to try a two-drug cocktail: midazolam and hydromorphone. The gruesome spectacle on Thursday will forever stain Mr. Kasich’s record and legacy.
In 2011, Ohio became the first state to use pentobarbital alone for a lethal injection. The drug’s maker, Denmark-based Lundbeck, opposes its use in death penalty cases and has stopped selling the product to corrections departments.
Other manufacturers also are refusing on moral grounds to assist corrections departments with drugs used for lethal injections. That has forced states to buy custom-made drugs from compounding, or specialty, pharmacies, that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration does not regulate.
Ohio started using capital punishment — public hangings — when it became a state in 1803. In 1897, the electric chair replaced the gallows, In 2001, lethal injection became Ohio’s sole method of administering the death penalty.
States that impose capital punishment generally have regarded lethal injection as more humane than the electric chair, gas chamber, or firing squad. But some doctors now question that view, especially given executioners’ lack of medical training and the secrecy surrounding capital case medical records.
On Friday, the DRC would say only that it would conduct a routine “after action” review of Thursday’s execution. That’s not enough. Governor Kasich must delay executions until the state can properly carry them out.
To his credit, he has already delayed the execution of Ronald Phillips, 40, to study whether Ohio can accommodate Phillips’ request to donate his organs. Mr. Kasich certainly can delay an execution to avoid another horrific incident.
This page has a longstanding history of support for capital punishment, but that’s not what this debate is about. McGuire’s execution was inhumane, inept, and inexcusable.
It cannot happen again.
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You expect me to feel sorry for a guy that raped and killed a kid?
 
Renee said:
Nothing like killing people to show killing is wrong. It is barbaric and we are one of the only industrialized country that practices such a despicable act. I thought you were pro life....does vengeance make you feel better?
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Oh puleeeeeze.

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Renee said:
Nothing like killing people to show killing is wrong. It is barbaric and we are one of the only industrialized country that practices such a despicable act. I thought you were pro life....does vengeance make you feel better?
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When did killing people become wrong? Are you pro choice?
 
"Cruel and unusual" is an ever-evolving standard. What wasn't cruel and unusual two centuries ago, may well be cruel and unusual today.

Anyway....as a lifelong opponent of execution under any circumstances, I'm gratified to see the public mood around all this, swinging back in the correct direction. The cited story is a good example of how we can gauge this mood. Ten years ago upon reading this story, the mood would have been overwhelmingly in favor of just finding a more efficient way of killing these people. But now.......this sort of story is prompting more people to ask why we don't just get rid of the whole scheme.
 
fairsheet said:
"Cruel and unusual" is an ever-evolving standard. What wasn't cruel and unusual two centuries ago, may well be cruel and unusual today.

Anyway....as a lifelong opponent of execution under any circumstances, I'm gratified to see the public mood around all this, swinging back in the correct direction. The cited story is a good example of how we can gauge this mood. Ten years ago upon reading this story, the mood would have been overwhelmingly in favor of just finding a more efficient way of killing these people. But now.......this sort of story is prompting more people to ask why we don't just get rid of the whole scheme.
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look at the company we keep in carrying out the death penalty. we're #5!
CHINA
IRAN
SAUDI ARABIA
IRAQ
UNITED STATES
PAKISTAN
YEMEN
KOREA (NORTH)
VIETNAM
LIBYA
 
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