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Renee said:
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An embryo is not a person, it isn't human being yet. . It is a potential person if the carrier chooses to let it develop it will become a child. . Is a fertilized egg a chicken? Is an acorn an oak tree? You act as though women cheerfully abort, not realizing for most it is a painful decision, both physically and mentally. Don't make the decision for women...it's their bodies, not yours
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Yes...yes. Because technically a pre-born is the same species with the same DNA in the process of becoming a person, although it's already human, it means that I think women make the decision to kill their children lightly. If that's the convoluted logic you have to use to feel superior to the rest of us, please feel free.

Stupid logical falacies aside, you made my point perfectly. Just like with the Jews and with the slaves, you have to separate humans in the early stages of development from humanity in order to justify your treatment of them. It's an age old story, and you're not the first ideology to do it, nor will you be the last.
 
Zoar said:
Wow, in over a year Dawg finally for the very first time advocates or promotes using Solar panels!!! Of course, though, it is Dawg, so he ONLY promotes solar this one time so he can KILL PEOPLE.... yes, that is the only use Dawg see's for making power sustainably and renewably: So he CAN KILL PEOPLE.

Yup typical Dawg. He loves to kill people like the other Righties on here.
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I don't work for any prison system so how is it I would be killing people? I swear it seems solar rays have killed majority of your brain cells.........or could it be something else?
 
Colorforms said:
Sorry, but I have no choice, since both are human beings in various stages of development. You can justify your support for killing a human being by labeling it some thing else. Groups, such as the Nazis, used that tactic to justify the murder of millions. Just give them a nice, convenient category that separartes them from humanity, and let the slaughter begin
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Do you mean terms like "inmates", "Murder Row Convict", etc??
 
fairsheet said:
From a Democrat/societal perspective, abortion and execution are very different from one another as the former involves an individual act and the latter, a collective one.

On the other hand, my Church makes no distinction from a purely qualitative standpoint. Both involve the taking of a human life. But at least up until very recently, that's been a pretty serious credibility problem for my Church. Even as they've stood firm on the idea that both are "sinful", they've gone way overboard in the democratic/societal realm in term of one as compared with the other. There are hopeful signs that that's evolving.

The problem with all of this - again in my opinion - is that it pits one "side" against the other, as each side attempts to rationalize its position. For instance, the pro-lifer who's ambivalent about capital punishment might argue that "it's different" because the fetus is "innocent" and the criminal is not. On the flipside, we have pro-choicers arguing that the fetus absolutely is NOT a human life.

It'd be best if we could evolve ourselves to a position of knowing that both represent life that it's in our interest to work together finding ways of further respecting and honoring those lives.
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Sometimes the taking of a life saves lives. Morality is goofy like that. There is the age old quandry of time travel and killing Hitler, for example. Sometimes lives need to be taken, even in the case of an innocent if it endangers the life of the mother.
 
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Dawg said:
I don't work for any prison system so how is it I would be killing people? I swear it seems solar rays have killed majority of your brain cells.........or could it be something else?
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You advocated for using solar power to kill people. Come on Dawgy, your words were right there!!! Stop feigning idiocy. You do not need to work for a prison! That is like saying you can't post your political views unless you are a politician/ elected official!!! Come on Dawgy.
 
Zoar said:
Do you mean terms like "inmates", "Murder Row Convict", etc??
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I thought you had me on "ignore". Just one more lie that I can attribute to you?

I'm sorry, Zoar, your right. We shouldn't be labelling people who commit violent crimes and treating them different than anyone else. In fact, I think we should invite them all over to your house for a "getting out of prison" party.
 
Zoar said:
You

You advocated for using solar power to kill people. Come on Dawgy, your words were right there!!! Stop feigning idiocy. You do not need to work for a prison! That is like saying you can't post your political views unless you are a politician/ elected official!!! Come on Dawgy.
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OK, I'll apply for a job at a prison so I can be the ONE that flips the switch on the solar electric chair............for rapist/murderers/and not concerned with pay.......when do I start work?↔
 
Colorforms said:
Sometimes the taking of a life saves lives. Morality is goofy like that. There is the age old quandry of time travel and killing Hitler, for example. Sometimes lives need to be taken, even in the case of an innocent if it endangers the life of the mother.
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Colorforms said:
Sometimes the taking of a life saves lives. Morality is goofy like that. There is the age old quandry of time travel and killing Hitler, for example. Sometimes lives need to be taken, even in the case of an innocent if it endangers the life of the mother.
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I half agree but as I'm Catholic, I half disagree. Let's take Hitler. Let's say our ONLY option was to go back in time and kill him. I would do it without thinking twice. But, what if I were given another option? What if I had the choice to go back even earlier in time and prevent him from coming to power in the first place? The latter would be my only righteous choice.

Hitler makes for a terrific case in term of this question, because (most) all of us would agree that he was a really really bad guy. So given just the one choice between Hitler and the millions he killed - even as killing Hitler wouldn't be "right", it'd be infinitely LESS bad than not killing him.

On the other hand.....the question of the innocent child vs. the mother, is so far above all of our heads as to be virtually unanswerable. We shouldn't give the time of day to anyone who presumes to know "THE" answer to this one. So, we have not choice but to revert to our societal compacts, and leave that one to the sentient individuals directly involved.
 
Zoar said:
Wow, in over a year Dawg finally for the very first time advocates or promotes using Solar panels!!! Of course, though, it is Dawg, so he ONLY promotes solar this one time so he can KILL PEOPLE.... yes, that is the only use Dawg see's for making power sustainably and renewably: So he CAN KILL PEOPLE.

Yup typical Dawg. He loves to kill people like the other Righties on here.
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I think you went a little overboard there honey......

No...NOT KILL PEOPLE....KILL PROVEN MURDERERS.

There....got it?
 
Renee said:
Yes, I agree it is a POTENTIAL human being....it is not a human being at all. You are the one labeling it a child. If that was the right term, it would be used in medical training. People call it a baby the same way people call an acorn a tree...both have the potential if left to develop will be become something else.
Comparing it to the nazis is plain stupid....women who terminate pregnancies are not nazi like ...talk about labeling.
I'll tell you what ..most abortions are performed when the fetus weighs a few ounces and is about as large as a pea , why not just remove it and you can dress it in a sailor suit, or so you want women to breed against their will?
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In your opinion...when is a fetus (or Zef) considered human? Or I should say...a child?
 
Zoar said:
You

You advocated for using solar power to kill people. Come on Dawgy, your words were right there!!! Stop feigning idiocy. You do not need to work for a prison! That is like saying you can't post your political views unless you are a politician/ elected official!!! Come on Dawgy.
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This is pretty stupid....you actually thought Dawg was serious??? Lol! It was a joke! You need to take a deep breath! :)
 
Queen Titania said:
DNA can be manipulated too Dawg :) It is a very new science - of which we have only scratched the surface and so as with finger prints at first we are, in connection with the law, sometimes very clumsy with it. It is not infallible.

The reason they stopped hanging people here was not for reasons 'libeeeral' but because we kept hanging innocent people, half of whom they still do not dare to admit too all these years and years later.

I'll tell you though, the less fearsome a regime is the more peaceful are the people ............. The worse the regime, the worse the gangsters.

On many counts I don't like Capital Punishment, on some you and I will differ but perhaps not an all. I do not like the State having life and death powers over it's people ............ it isn't in my opinion healthy for any State to have that power, it is a weapon of keeping the people down through fear .
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Queen darlin'.......evidently according to murder rates here in America....doesn't appear to be much fear of the hang-man or the needle now.........far from it.......I mean my gawd.....I'm 62, if I were to murder someone, I'd die at 87............maybe. Where's the FEAR my Queen________do check the stats to see what I post. If by hell or high water some low life rapes/murders one of my daughters......they would rather the state find them first↔
 
Caroljo said:
This is pretty stupid....you actually thought Dawg was serious??? Lol! It was a joke! You need to take a deep breath! :)
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The joke is on you. No one should ever take anything Dawgy says seriously. He is a clown. A scary clown.
 
Dawgy advocating for Solar power the only time in his entire life was only so he could kill someone. Who would really believe Dawgy would ever really advocate for solar for anything???! Duh.
 
Colorforms said:
I thought you had me on "ignore". Just one more lie that I can attribute to you?

I'm sorry, Zoar, your right. We shouldn't be labelling people who commit violent crimes and treating them different than anyone else. In fact, I think we should invite them all over to your house for a "getting out of prison" party.
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Maybe we should come to your house and watch executions and have a grand old time, nothing like killing to show killing is wrong
 
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