Principled Liberals vs. Obama Partisans

[Arkady]

I thought this would be worth looking back on:

https://www.politicaljack.com/threads/for-liberals-only.59686/

The point of the original post was to get everyone to take a principled position, before they knew where Obama would ultimately come out. What I wanted was to get a sense of which liberals would take a position and stick to it, even if Obama ended up going against what they said, which liberals would take a position and then reverse themselves to stay aligned with Obama, if he went against what they said, and which would be too cowardly to take a position, so that they had maximum flexibility to support whatever Obama would decide to do, and to claim that it had been in accordace to principles they'd held all along.

In my own case, I favored Obama signing a negotiated settlement of the crisis only if it involved some functionally meaningless concession (e.g., an agreement to appoint a panel to do a non-binding investigation into something). I said I'd object if Obama signed something that offered a functionally meaningful concession, or something that just kicked the issue down the road for a short period of time (I said a year would be enough). I'm sticking to that.

So, did other liberals dare take a position before knowing what marching orders they'd need to follow to lionize Obama? If they did take a position, did they stick to it in the aftermath of the settlement?

 

[marvin martian]

So, did other liberals dare take a position before knowing what marching orders they'd need to follow to lionize Obama? If they did take a position, did they stick to it in the aftermath of the settlement?

Do you see any liberals here besides you not celebrating this debt increase as a "win"? That's why they are Obama Human Shields...

 

[Minotaur]

I did. He did what I stated I expected in this crisis.

Had he sold the farm I would have been disappointed and bitched as this was an important situation setting a footprint by the precedence.

 

[Minotaur]

Do you see any liberals here besides you not celebrating this debt increase as a "win"? That's why they are Obama Human Shields...

Have you read the budget yet? Does it break the PayGo law?

 

[fairsheet]

This top-post is timely, coming on the heels of the just-finished "Values Voters Summit". The only thing more obnoxious than the person who implies that she has values while all others do not, is the person who insists that he has principles, while others do not.

 

[admin1]

I thought this would be worth looking back on:

https://www.politicaljack.com/threads/for-liberals-only.59686/

The point of the original post was to get everyone to take a principled position, before they knew where Obama would ultimately come out. What I wanted was to get a sense of which liberals would take a position and stick to it, even if Obama ended up going against what they said, which liberals would take a position and then reverse themselves to stay aligned with Obama, if he went against what they said, and which would be too cowardly to take a position, so that they had maximum flexibility to support whatever Obama would decide to do, and to claim that it had been in accordace to principles they'd held all along.

In my own case, I favored Obama signing a negotiated settlement of the crisis only if it involved some functionally meaningless concession (e.g., an agreement to appoint a panel to do a non-binding investigation into something). I said I'd object if Obama signed something that offered a functionally meaningful concession, or something that just kicked the issue down the road for a short period of time (I said a year would be enough). I'm sticking to that.

So, did other liberals dare take a position before knowing what marching orders they'd need to follow to lionize Obama? If they did take a position, did they stick to it in the aftermath of the settlement?

I agree, the most confusing thing about the majority of Democrats is they don't think about individual issues for themselves. And they attack Republicans which do think for themselves because they see it as a lack of consensus for the Repubs.

 

[Yuri Zhivago]

I thought this would be worth looking back on:

https://www.politicaljack.com/threads/for-liberals-only.59686/

The point of the original post was to get everyone to take a principled position, before they knew where Obama would ultimately come out. What I wanted was to get a sense of which liberals would take a position and stick to it, even if Obama ended up going against what they said, which liberals would take a position and then reverse themselves to stay aligned with Obama, if he went against what they said, and which would be too cowardly to take a position, so that they had maximum flexibility to support whatever Obama would decide to do, and to claim that it had been in accordace to principles they'd held all along.

In my own case, I favored Obama signing a negotiated settlement of the crisis only if it involved some functionally meaningless concession (e.g., an agreement to appoint a panel to do a non-binding investigation into something). I said I'd object if Obama signed something that offered a functionally meaningful concession, or something that just kicked the issue down the road for a short period of time (I said a year would be enough). I'm sticking to that.

So, did other liberals dare take a position before knowing what marching orders they'd need to follow to lionize Obama? If they did take a position, did they stick to it in the aftermath of the settlement?

I totally agree with Obama administration on everything, even if he will drone teahadist to full extermination. Even if i have some reservations about some aspects of health care law, or his administration fiscal policies etc. I will support him or any democrat or normal human against the fascistic/ bolshevik plague trying to conquer USA- teahadists ignorant brain dead zombies= sub humans

 

[RickWA]

I totally agree with Obama administration on everything, even if he will drone teahadist to full extermination. Even if i have some reservations about some aspects of health care law, or his administration fiscal policies etc. I will support him or any democrat or normal human against the fascistic/ bolshevik plague trying to conquer USA- teahadists ignorant brain dead zombies= sub humans

:-/

There's all-in and then there's all-in.

I'm generally disgusted by the GOP. That does nothing to elevate the righteousness of non-GOPers.

 

[Yuri Zhivago]

:-/

There's all-in and then there's all-in.

I'm generally disgusted by the GOP. That does nothing to elevate the righteousness of non-GOPers.

Rick, it is not GOP, it is the danger of American home grown terrorists, who are worse than Taliban and can inflict on all us much greater damage, I will unite with anybody , no questions asked, sane repubs, dems , libertarians whatever, to fight off the teahadist plague

 

[Minotaur]

I agree, the most confusing thing about the majority of Democrats is they don't think about individual issues for themselves. And they attack Republicans which do think for themselves because they see it as a lack of consensus for the Repubs.

You mean like all republicans agreeing that Obama did wrong? And how republicans think that to agree on some logic means worship even as they agree on, well, everything? I think in the real world republicans do have individual thoughts in a higher percentage number than on message boards. On Message boards one need only read the messages of republicans to witness group think even on small things. There are some refreshing exceptions to that.

As far as Liberals go, Arkady and I fully disagree on this issue and that is not unusual. When I support the Walmart business model I expect some libs to disagree and some to agree but I also expect ALL conservatives to agree - here.

 

[RickWA]

I thought this would be worth looking back on:

https://www.politicaljack.com/threads/for-liberals-only.59686/

The point of the original post was to get everyone to take a principled position, before they knew where Obama would ultimately come out. What I wanted was to get a sense of which liberals would take a position and stick to it, even if Obama ended up going against what they said, which liberals would take a position and then reverse themselves to stay aligned with Obama, if he went against what they said, and which would be too cowardly to take a position, so that they had maximum flexibility to support whatever Obama would decide to do, and to claim that it had been in accordace to principles they'd held all along.

In my own case, I favored Obama signing a negotiated settlement of the crisis only if it involved some functionally meaningless concession (e.g., an agreement to appoint a panel to do a non-binding investigation into something). I said I'd object if Obama signed something that offered a functionally meaningful concession, or something that just kicked the issue down the road for a short period of time (I said a year would be enough). I'm sticking to that.

So, did other liberals dare take a position before knowing what marching orders they'd need to follow to lionize Obama? If they did take a position, did they stick to it in the aftermath of the settlement?

This will sicken the usual suspects (I.e. this will be quickly dismissed as false equivalence/both ways crapola), but the precise same problem exists on the right.

I am quite guilty of ripping the left more often than the right (by far) - and this is not because they both aren't frequently wrong. One side's error is simply more distasteful to me than the other side's wrongs. I need to add that to my "things to work on" list.

Some day, I'll stumble upon a humility forum where folks are transparent and will freely admit bias - even if we cannot conquer it.

Someday.

 

[RickWA]

Rick, it is not GOP, it is the danger of American home grown terrorists, who are worse than Taliban and can inflict on all us much greater damage, I will unite with anybody , no questions asked, sane repubs, dems , libertarians whatever, to fight off the teahadist plague

Liberals don't enter any agreement "no questions asked". Questions are a non-negotiable. Questions and doubt and scrutiny is who we are, Sash. No matter who the opposition, we don't forget who we are

 

[Dawg]

I thought this would be worth looking back on:

https://www.politicaljack.com/threads/for-liberals-only.59686/

The point of the original post was to get everyone to take a principled position, before they knew where Obama would ultimately come out. What I wanted was to get a sense of which liberals would take a position and stick to it, even if Obama ended up going against what they said, which liberals would take a position and then reverse themselves to stay aligned with Obama, if he went against what they said, and which would be too cowardly to take a position, so that they had maximum flexibility to support whatever Obama would decide to do, and to claim that it had been in accordace to principles they'd held all along.

In my own case, I favored Obama signing a negotiated settlement of the crisis only if it involved some functionally meaningless concession (e.g., an agreement to appoint a panel to do a non-binding investigation into something). I said I'd object if Obama signed something that offered a functionally meaningful concession, or something that just kicked the issue down the road for a short period of time (I said a year would be enough). I'm sticking to that.

So, did other liberals dare take a position before knowing what marching orders they'd need to follow to lionize Obama? If they did take a position, did they stick to it in the aftermath of the settlement?

We were Broke yesterday fixing to Default and less than 24 hrs later ALL fed employees are getting a pay raise..........I'm certain Mooch has the 'O' bags packed and ready for another $100 Million vacation.........yes, it is a failure of leadership that debt ceiling needed increased.....'O' said so in 06√

 

[Dawg]

Have you read the budget yet? Does it break the PayGo law?

the Budget will not be known until next week√

 

[Dawg]

I totally agree with Obama administration on everything, even if he will drone teahadist to full extermination. Even if i have some reservations about some aspects of health care law, or his administration fiscal policies etc. I will support him or any democrat or normal human against the fascistic/ bolshevik plague trying to conquer USA- teahadists ignorant brain dead zombies= sub humans

yeah, the Nobel gets off every time some brown kid or women is off'd by his newest toys=Drones........kill all of libhadists possible........but why the kids/women?√

btw: put down the vodka and back away from the pc*.......your Russian insults suk'**

 

[Dawg]

Rick, it is not GOP, it is the danger of American home grown terrorists, who are worse than Taliban and can inflict on all us much greater damage, I will unite with anybody , no questions asked, sane repubs, dems , libertarians whatever, to fight off the teahadist plague

damn shame the Mother country will not allow you to return, it's understandable why and how you get to remain in America is a disgrace to all that fought to Freedom for all...even libhadist as you......sash√

 

[Minotaur]

the Budget will not be known until next week√

I only know I haven't seen it so that explains that. Thanks. We're practicing.

 

[Dawg]

I only know I haven't seen it so that explains that. Thanks. We're practicing.

must be a nice budget, ALL fed employees getting a pay raise and pay for days from work the 16 shut-down...haven't read if they get to keep their unemployment checks as well________yep, we were soooooooooooooooo broke√

http://www.westernjournalism.com/budget-deal-includes-federal-pay-raises/

 

[Minotaur]

must be a nice budget, ALL fed employees getting a pay raise and pay for days from work the 16 shut-down...haven't read if they get to keep their unemployment checks as well________yep, we were soooooooooooooooo broke√

http://www.westernjournalism.com/budget-deal-includes-federal-pay-raises/

Well I am really interested in seeing it as thus far Congress and Obama have done a pretty good job on sticking with pay as you go. How they achieve their Nirvana is going to be interesting or we'll all be crying.

 

[Queen Titania]

Rick, it is not GOP, it is the danger of American home grown terrorists, who are worse than Taliban and can inflict on all us much greater damage, I will unite with anybody , no questions asked, sane repubs, dems , libertarians whatever, to fight off the teahadist plague

Worse than the Taliban? Do they chop off womens feet for wearing sandals too?