Question...really...I can't figure it out?

[Boca]

Since the private sector is doing just fine and the way to recovery, or to solve our employment situation is more goverment employees, how does that work when it takes 3 to 4 private sector employees to pay for 1 public employee?

Seems to me the private sector produces goods and services of some intrinsic value that consumers will pay for. For the most part public employees don't. Sure, I suppose there are exceptions, like someone in charge of selling surplus equipment, or selling rights to produce something developed in a government research facility, but by and large, government workers are welfare recipients with jobs. No?

 

[GordonGecko]

.... but by and large, government workers are welfare recipients with jobs. No?

I would really enjoy hearing you tell a COP or a FIRE FIGHTER they are "welfare recipients with jobs."

Really...I would

 

[Craig]

Since the private sector is doing just fine and the way to recovery, or to solve our employment situation is more goverment employees, how does that work when it takes 3 to 4 private sector employees to pay for 1 public employee?

Seems to me the private sector produces goods and services of some intrinsic value that consumers will pay for. For the most part public employees don't. Sure, I suppose there are exceptions, like someone in charge of selling surplus equipment, or selling rights to produce something developed in a government research facility, but by and large, government workers are welfare recipients with jobs. No?

I'd say, no.

Then again, I know a lot of public sector employees, many in the justice system, including my wife. Teachers, firefighters and police are in large part government employees. Is justice an intrinsic value? Education?

So...who exactly are you speaking of?

 

[Colorforms]

Hi Boca. I think that technically you are correct. The money a private sector employee is paid is based on the value that the company they work for can create out of what they have. So their jobs are directly tied into the growth of the economy.

Public employees are insulated from that by government. They are not producers, but maintainers, and what they get is not determined by economic growth.

 

[GordonGecko]

I'd say, no.

Then again, I know a lot of public sector employees, many in the justice system, including my wife. Teachers, firefighters and police are in large part government employees. Is justice an intrinsic value? Education?

So...who exactly are you speaking of?

Can you imagine if somebody on the LEFT had insulted police and fire-fighters like this???

 

[Craig]

Can you imagine if somebody on the LEFT had insulted police and fire-fighters like this???

I truly do not understand the mindset. I understand the words, but the mindset just makes no sense to me.

And it doesn't make sense to most of them either. When challenged to actually deal with the issues and take specific stances...we find that ...no...don't cut police...don't cut justice, don't cut prisons, don't cut schools, don't cut the military.

And what exactly does Walmart produce???

 

[NCmusicman]

The valid public sector job costs are born by the taxpayers... public sector jobs are supposed to be burdens that we the people choose to bear for the benefit of all - common needs such as water & sewer, public schools, a small welfare system to help those in need temporarily, etc, etc and of course our national security ... those public sector employees that Obama panders to have no additional value to the nation other than their initial purpose, money bags Dems have bastardized the system... public sector jobs like teachers and their unions are just Democrat Votes the Dems have bought with outlandish deals forced by union thugs and their white collar crime Democratic party accomplices.

Not Good, Democrats... it hurts We The People.... SHAME ON YOU, DEMOCRATS!!!

 

[connieb]

There are certain government services that I am willing to pay for, and pay more for. Fire and Police and Teachers...

BUT - in my experience it is all the added BS between the service you want and the burocracy it comes from that is where there is a lot of waste. How much of a school board budget is spent on administration versus teachers and materials?

Obamacare requires that health insurance companies spend at least 85% of their revenue on paying claims....... So, lets extrapolate that to the public sector, shall we....

Using the 85% method that companies who provide a service should spend at least 85% of their budget on the actual service... that would mean that the budget for the fire department should have 85% of its budget be salaries to the field personnel, equipment upgrades, equipment repairs and basically anything directly involved in fighting fires...... So, I say, that we evaluate each department's budget the same way... is 85% of more of the budget allocated directly to things that are involved in providing the end service? Is 85% of the education budget going into our classrooms in the form of teacher salaries and materials? Is 85% of our police budget going directly into having more officers and equipment on the streets?



connie

 

[Boca]

Excellent point Connie...you, Colorforms, and NC got the point.

Not so much the other two. Sometimes an illustrative simplication just isn't simple enough for some people....particularly when they aren't capable taking two thoughts on the same issue and puttin' 'em together.

 

[Boca]

Correcto CF....what they get is not determined by economic growth....spot on!

Which is exactly why the prez has another postion bassackwards. If he absolutely must have more government employees, what he needs to do is concentrate on the private sector to provide the need for and the economic growth to hire 'em....3 to 4 private jobs for every government job.

Most people, which includes past presidents like Clinton, understand that. It's a bit harder for Obama. Not just that he's dyslexic (more like dyscalculia exacerbated with a Harvard education and an identity problem piled on)....but that he's the son of a Marxist drunkard and bigamist whose dreams he inherited.

That's the real hurdle.

 

[Spamature]

Since the private sector is doing just fine and the way to recovery, or to solve our employment situation is more goverment employees, how does that work when it takes 3 to 4 private sector employees to pay for 1 public employee?

Seems to me the private sector produces goods and services of some intrinsic value that consumers will pay for. For the most part public employees don't. Sure, I suppose there are exceptions, like someone in charge of selling surplus equipment, or selling rights to produce something developed in a government research facility, but by and large, government workers are welfare recipients with jobs. No?

I read once that the value of being an American citizen living under this govt was estimated at about a half a million dollars. That bares out in the fact that in this country you are entitled to rights and due process. That you don't have to come bribe in hand when dealing with a govt official as you would in other countries. That advantage means you can expect clean food, water and safe building and drugs. Also you benefit from the value of having a stable govt. among other things. This does not happen by itself. It takes people working for your govt to make this all happen. Saying that they are welfare recipients is delusional when you consider how much of your own personal welfare depends on them.