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record cold in Vostok, Antartics this summer (our winter)

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https://iceagenow.info/record-cold-antarctica/

On June 15, 2016 Vostok station Antarctica recorded the second lowest temperature ever found on planet earth - minus 114F below zero (minus 81 Celsius). The all time lowest was -89 Celsius in 1983.

Can someone please claim either (a) "this is irrelevant" or (b) "its due to global warming of course"
 
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https://iceagenow.info/record-cold-antarctica/

On June 15, 2016 Vostok station Antarctica recorded the second lowest temperature ever found on planet earth - minus 114F below zero (minus 81 Celsius). The all time lowest was -89 Celsius in 1983.

Can someone please claim either (a) "this is irrelevant" or (b) "its due to global warming of course"

I think it's irrelevant just as I think the vast majority of the "climate change" debate is irrelevant.
 
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https://iceagenow.info/record-cold-antarctica/

On June 15, 2016 Vostok station Antarctica recorded the second lowest temperature ever found on planet earth - minus 114F below zero (minus 81 Celsius). The all time lowest was -89 Celsius in 1983.

Can someone please claim either (a) "this is irrelevant" or (b) "its due to global warming of course"


Very simple, though propagandists like @Arkady will over-complicate it. Here's how it all works:

If the event serves the AGW agenda, it's "climate". If it does not serve the AGW agenda, it's "weather".

For handy reference, the "AGW Agenda" is very easy to spot. If the "solution" to the "problem" requires additional governmental control over the actions of citizens, it's part of the agenda.

You'll find this holds true virtually 100% of the time.
 
Here's how it all works:
If the event serves the AGW agenda, it's "climate". If it does not serve the AGW agenda, it's "weather".

No. As you're well aware (since I've educated you on this repeated error of yours time and again), that's not at all how it works. Weather is weather regardless of whether it could be deployed for or against the climate consensus position. For example, as I've mentioned, this was the hottest August on record in Boston as well as the driest summer on record here, but that is not a point I've deployed as evidence that there's global warming, for the obvious reason that it's weather, not climate. At any given moment on the planet, there will be places that are both much warmer and much colder than is typical for their seasons, just because there's a huge degree of local variability in temperature. However, those local highs and lows tend to even out, such that when you take a global picture, you see a lot less variability.... and when you look at multi-year averages, it's all the clearer. Here's what the 10-year moving average of the GISTEMP annual global temperature anomaly data looks like:

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As you can see, despite constant record highs and record lows at the local level, over the past few decades, the trend has been quite steady (I didn't bother with the axes, but the vertical one is the temp anomaly in degrees Celsius and the horizontal is the year, with the ten-year average for 2006-2015 being the last plot point.
 
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https://iceagenow.info/record-cold-antarctica/

On June 15, 2016 Vostok station Antarctica recorded the second lowest temperature ever found on planet earth - minus 114F below zero (minus 81 Celsius). The all time lowest was -89 Celsius in 1983.

Can someone please claim either (a) "this is irrelevant" or (b) "its due to global warming of course"
It's neither irrelevant nor necessarily due to global warming. It's relevant at a local level, but it's merely weather, not climate. Learn the difference.
 
See my post #5 for the analysis of this very predictable response.

Dullard.

He already responded to that post.

But to outline it...one day's event is weather...long term trends are climate.

Same as it ever was...but the learning impaired seem to find the difference incredibly difficult to grasp.
 
We just had the hottest world wide August in history. Climate change is here, get over it.


Not in history; hottest on record, which is very different. Temperature records only go back to about 1850, which is, meteorologically speaking, barely the blink of an eye. In other words, it doesn't really mean much, although those with an agenda wish you to believe it's a far bigger deal than it really is.

As far as climate change being here, of course it is. Can you point to a time when there was no climate change? Climate change is also occurring on Mars, by the way.

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-climate-change-on-mars-20160523-snap-story.html
 
No. As you're well aware (since I've educated you on this repeated error of yours time and again), that's not at all how it works. Weather is weather regardless of whether it could be deployed for or against the climate consensus position. For example, as I've mentioned, this was the hottest August on record in Boston as well as the driest summer on record here, but that is not a point I've deployed as evidence that there's global warming, for the obvious reason that it's weather, not climate. At any given moment on the planet, there will be places that are both much warmer and much colder than is typical for their seasons, just because there's a huge degree of local variability in temperature. However, those local highs and lows tend to even out, such that when you take a global picture, you see a lot less variability.... and when you look at multi-year averages, it's all the clearer. Here's what the 10-year moving average of the GISTEMP annual global temperature anomaly data looks like:

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As you can see, despite constant record highs and record lows at the local level, over the past few decades, the trend has been quite steady (I didn't bother with the axes, but the vertical one is the temp anomaly in degrees Celsius and the horizontal is the year, with the ten-year average for 2006-2015 being the last plot point.

Wouldn't you then need an accurate temperature reading from virtually every location on the planet every minute of every day to measure "climate change?" Isn't it then a fact that all the "warming" crowd has in the way of "proof" (such as the chart you posted) is interpretations of statistical representations? And is it not also a fact that that "interpretation" is not universally accepted?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/07...-flipflop-back-to-global-cooling-predictions/
 
Wouldn't you then need an accurate temperature reading from virtually every location on the planet every minute of every day to measure "climate change?" Isn't it then a fact that all the "warming" crowd has in the way of "proof" (such as the chart you posted) is interpretations of statistical representations? And is it not also a fact that that "interpretation" is not universally accepted?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/07...-flipflop-back-to-global-cooling-predictions/


Climate change on earth exists. It has existed as long as earth has existed, and will continue to exist as long as earth exists, and no mortal being is going to stop it or control it. Any notion that they can or will is pure fantasy.

In 2009, a liberal Democrat became, arguably, the most powerful leader in the world. In August 2016, so we are told, the hottest month on record occurred. Therefore, we can safely conclude that electing a liberal Democrat as President of the United States did absolutely nothing to abate climate change in any way, shape, or form.I presume we can all agree on at least that much.
 
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Very simple, though propagandists like @Arkady will over-complicate it. Here's how it all works:

If the event serves the AGW agenda, it's "climate". If it does not serve the AGW agenda, it's "weather".

For handy reference, the "AGW Agenda" is very easy to spot. If the "solution" to the "problem" requires additional governmental control over the actions of citizens, it's part of the agenda.

You'll find this holds true virtually 100% of the time.

actually, the temperature drop in Antarctica isn't a sudden thing. its been happening for thousands of years, according to plethora of scientific websites.

those websites are straightforward, and make no attempt to link polar temperature trends to capitalism.
 
Not in history; hottest on record, which is very different.

Right-wingers who play that particular rhetorical game don't tend to be very consistent with their anal approach. For example, if one of their fellow right-wingers says that Obama has the worst ______ in history, you'll never seem them pop up and say "not in history, just on record.... that particular stat has only been collected since the 1960s." But, when it comes to climate, they're quick to draw the distinction, despite a temperature record going back 136 years.

Still, your point is fair. We only know this was the hottest August in 136 years. However, we have decent climate reconstructions going back for thousands of years before we had good direct temperature measurements, and although they don't fine-tune the data to the point where we can say anything definitive on a month-to-month basis, when we look at multi-year averages, we see that we're running swiftly away from the multi-year averages going back for thousands of years. Here's what a 1000-year reconstruction looks like:

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Note, that stops in 2004, and nearly every year since 2004 has been hotter than 2004, including 2015 being 0.33 degrees Celsius higher on that anomaly chart (it would bust right out the top of the chart).

As far as climate change being here, of course it is. Can you point to a time when there was no climate change?

You're being willfully ignorant. The claim here isn't just that climate is changing. Of course it is. It always has and it always will. The claim is that it's changing at a pace that's very likely unprecedented in the history of civilization, as a result of anthropogenic ghgs, and that the unprecedented pace of change will likely continue if we don't get our emissions under control.

If it helps, think of it in medical terms. Say that you've been hitting the bottle really hard for several years, and your health is going to crap at a rapid pace. You've put on a lot of weight, your strength has declined, your memory is getting worse and worse, your blood pressure is up, etc. Your doctor (and nearly every doctor) would recommend you cut way back on your drinking. But what if you were a self-indulgent [Unwelcome language removed] who wanted to convince yourself there was no price to be paid for not changing? Well, in that case you could mumble incoherently, demanding people point to some time when bodies aren't changing. You'd be right, of course, that throughout people's lives their bodies change, and that everybody declines a bit with age. But if you took comfort from that and took it as permission to keep up the behavior that is causing incredibly rapid decline in your own case, that would be a huge mistake.

Climate change is also occurring on Mars, by the way.

If the Earth had an orbit like that of Mars, and no big oceans to serve as heat sinks, and we were experiencing changes similar to Mars, the vast majority of experts wouldn't be united in saying human activities are causing more of our change. But our orbit is only a fifth as eccentric as Mars's, and we do have oceans, and we have no evidence of past changes, based on orbit eccentricity, anywhere close to as rapid as the changes we're experiencing now.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-mars.htm
 
Climate change on earth exists. It has existed as long as earth has existed, and will continue to exist as long as earth exists, and no mortal being is going to stop it or control it. Any notion that they can or will is pure fantasy.

In 2009, a liberal Democrat became, argumentatively, the most powerful leader in the world. In August 2016, so we are told, the hottest month on record occurred. Therefore, we can safely conclude that electing a liberal Democrat as President of the United States did absolutely nothing to abate climate change in any way, shape, or form.I presume we can all agree on at least that much.

Heck of a job, Baracky...
 
In 2009, a liberal Democrat became, argumentatively, the most powerful leader in the world. In August 2016, so we are told, the hottest month on record occurred. Therefore, we can safely conclude that electing a liberal Democrat as President of the United States did absolutely nothing to abate climate change in any way, shape, or form.I presume we can all agree on at least that much.
No, that is very plainly a non sequitur. It should be painfully obvious, even to someone with the diminished intellectual capacity of a right-winger, that evidence that something didn't stop a trend doesn't show that it did nothing to abate it. For example, if your boat is leaking, filling up with water, and you start bailing it out, and the water level keeps rising, does that mean the bailing did nothing to abate the water level increase? Obviously not.
 
No, that is very plainly a non sequitur. It should be painfully obvious, even to someone with the diminished intellectual capacity of a right-winger, that evidence that something didn't stop a trend doesn't show that it did nothing to abate it. For example, if your boat is leaking, filling up with water, and you start bailing it out, and the water level keeps rising, does that mean the bailing did nothing to abate the water level increase? Obviously not.


You just made an argument that it's hotter than ever (or, at least since the mid 19th century). This hottest month on record occurred in the 102nd month of Obama's presidency. Ergo, electing Barack Obama did absolutely nothing to stop this from occurring. That's just a fact. What you feel about it is your business, but it will still be a fact.

What have you done today, personally, to combat climate change? If your only answer is to advocate giving more money and power to politicians you prefer, color me unimpressed.
 
actually, the temperature drop in Antarctica isn't a sudden thing. its been happening for thousands of years, according to plethora of scientific websites.

those websites are straightforward, and make no attempt to link polar temperature trends to capitalism.

If you were thinking of visiting Glacier National Park you'd better hurry if you hope to see a glacier there.....and Colorado's ski season is getting shorter every year....Is it caused by us? Can't be certain...so let's do nothing....o_O
 
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