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Remembering JFK

JackDallas

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This is a repost from the Fray Days. I do it every year. Some of you may have seen this several times before. If you have seen it, and approve of my reposting it, thanks; if you have seen it and do not approve then go [Unwelcome language removed] yourselves.

Sunday, November 21, 2004

You can follow the route of the motorcade down Main Street but Houston Street is one way left so you cannot make the right turn to Elm. I drove around the block and accessed Elm Street a block East of Dealey Plaza.

I told the grandkids to be very quiet. I had prepared them for this. “Tomorrow is a sad day in history,” I told them.

“What’s history?” The 5 year old asked.

“Things that happened before you were born,, I told him.

The 15 year old and the 11 year old understood but the 5 & 7 came along just because I asked them to. Down the hill past the School Book Depository toward the overpass that Jackie Kennedy had hoped would provide some momentary shade from the bright sun shining down on the motorcade.

“Right here guys,” I said, stopping in the street near the sign that is still there that is visible in the Zapruder film. “Right here is where the President of the United States was killed.” They looked around, not knowing what to think. Perhaps thinking their grandfather a little strange at this particular moment.

I had to move on because of the traffic. I drove around and parked so we could walk through Dealey Plaza. I wanted them to “feel” what had happened here 41 years ago.

******************************************************

I was walking across the compound at the Naval Air Station in Brunswick Maine headed to one of the base offices to take care of some personal business. A guy I knew from another squadron yelled at me from his barracks window. “Jack. Did you hear, the president’s been shot, in Dallas”. I asked him for details but he said it had just happened. He thought Kennedy was okay, though.

Then a very strange thing happened. I came across a guy from my squadron. A man named Joe Johnson, from Kansas I think he was. I asked him if he had heard anything new and he said he had not but that I should not worry. He said if Kennedy was killed then “Johnson” would be president and that would be a good thing because he had the same name that he did.

“That’s just plain crazy, Joe,” I told him. “You don’t hope the president is dead do you?”

“No,” he said, but if he is, it’s not a bad thing because Johnson will be better.”

Joe had gotten into a fight with an Air Force fellow when the squadron was passing through the Azores and he had not come out very well. He spent several months in the hospital and rejoined ranks with us later in Sicily. I wasn’t sure at that moment if he had ever fully recovered. I am still not sure, but mild lunacy is not an odd thing within the military ranks. I knew many who did not seem to be quite right.

I got to the office of my destination and the two women working there had the radio on. We heard the news together that the President was dead. I was stunned and the two women started crying. It was like a daydream. Everything and everyone seemed to just shut down for a while. It had been just three short years since he had brought such enthusiasm and hope for the future. It was incredible to me that anyone would want to kill him. I was, I suppose, very naïve.


We parked the car and walked to Dealey Plaza and I showed the kids the little memorial that is there. I pointed to the 6th floor window where the shooter sat. The trees are still full of leaves and it is difficult to see now how he had an unobstructed view of the limousine from that vantage point. I know that was not the case in ’63. The foliage was not as full.

A man was trying to sell another of the many conspiracy books on the assassination. I told him that I had had enough of the conspiracy. I said that I had put it out of my mind. He said that was the problem, too many people didn’t care anymore. I told him I had never bought into the lone gunman theory. I pointed to the knoll and the picket fence that is still there (or at least one like the original) and said “I believe there was another shooter right over there.” He agreed.

There really isn’t much to see there. The older kids seem to grasp the content of the place and of the events that happened there so long ago. The little one wanted to go to the zoo and the 7 year old wanted to go to “Chili’s” for lunch. We left and went to Chili’s.

There was a time, I used to say
When absolutes and naiveté
Were stripped and scarred
And blown away
In Dealey Plaza one November day
When I was twenty-one.

From “When I Was Twenty-One”
C 1997 Jack Dallas

John Kennedy may or may not have turned out to be a great president. Sadly, we shall never know.

Jack Dallas
 
"If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."----John F. Kennedy

Acceptance of the New York Liberal Party nomination (14 September 1960)


We have all made mistakes. But Dante tells us that divine
justice weighs the sins of the cold-blooded and the sins
of the warm-hearted on different scales. Better the
occasional faults of a party living in the spirit of
charity than the consistent omissions of a party
frozen in the ice of its own indifference.

---John F. Kennedy, 1960



Mr. Nixon, in the last seven days, has called me an
economic ignoramus, a Pied Piper, and all the rest.
I've just confined myself to calling him a Republician,
but he says that is getting low.

---John F. Kennedy, 11-5-1960



The Republican nominee-to-be, of course, is
also a young man. But his approach is as
old as McKinley. His party is the party of
the past. His speeches are generalities
from Poor Richard's Almanac. Their platform,
made up of left-over Democratic planks,
has the courage of our old convictions.
Their pledge is a pledge to the status quo
and today there can be no status quo.

---John F. Kennedy
 
It's just too funny to see a rightwing nutjob like JD claiming to be sorrowful over the loss of one of the most liberal presidents to ever sit in the office. If he were alive today, JFK would be called a commie by the likes of Mr. Dallas, yet here he is singing the man's praises. Hypocrite much JD?
 
This is a repost from the Fray Days. I do it every year. Some of you may have seen this several times before. If you have seen it, and approve of my reposting it; if you have seen it and do not approve then go <img src=images/smilies/animated/censored.gif> yourselves.

Sunday, November 21, 2004

You can follow the route of the motorcade down Main Street but Houston Street is one way left so you cannot make the right turn to Elm. I drove around the block and accessed Elm Street a block East of Dealey Plaza.

I told the grandkids to be very quiet. I had prepared them for this. “Tomorrow is a sad day in history,” I told them.

“What’s history?” The 5 year old asked.

“Things that happened before you were born,, I told him.

The 15 year old and the 11 year old understood but the 5 & 7 came along just because I asked them to. Down the hill past the School Book Depository toward the overpass that Jackie Kennedy had hoped would provide some momentary shade from the bright sun shining down on the motorcade.

“Right here guys,” I said, stopping in the street near the sign that is still there that is visible in the Zapruder film. “Right here is where the President of the United States was killed.” They looked around, not knowing what to think. Perhaps thinking their grandfather a little strange at this particular moment.

I had to move on because of the traffic. I drove around and parked so we could walk through Dealey Plaza. I wanted them to “feel” what had happened here 41 years ago.

******************************************************

I was walking across the compound at the Naval Air Station in Brunswick Maine headed to one of the base offices to take care of some personal business. A guy I knew from another squadron yelled at me from his barracks window. “Jack. Did you hear, the president’s been shot, in Dallas”. I asked him for details but he said it had just happened. He thought Kennedy was okay, though.

Then a very strange thing happened. I came across a guy from my squadron. A man named Joe Johnson, from Kansas I think he was. I asked him if he had heard anything new and he said he had not but that I should not worry. He said if Kennedy was killed then “Johnson” would be president and that would be a good thing because he had the same name that he did.

“That’s just plain crazy, Joe,” I told him. “You don’t hope the president is dead do you?”

“No,” he said, but if he is, it’s not a bad thing because Johnson will be better.”

Joe had gotten into a fight with an Air Force fellow when the squadron was passing through the Azores and he had not come out very well. He spent several months in the hospital and rejoined ranks with us later in Sicily. I wasn’t sure at that moment if he had ever fully recovered. I am still not sure, but mild lunacy is not an odd thing within the military ranks. I knew many who did not seem to be quite right.

I got to the office of my destination and the two women working there had the radio on. We heard the news together that the President was dead. I was stunned and the two women started crying. It was like a daydream. Everything and everyone seemed to just shut down for a while. It had been just three short years since he had brought such enthusiasm and hope for the future. It was incredible to me that anyone would want to kill him. I was, I suppose, very naïve.


We parked the car and walked to Dealey Plaza and I showed the kids the little memorial that is there. I pointed to the 6th floor window where the shooter sat. The trees are still full of leaves and it is difficult to see now how he had an unobstructed view of the limousine from that vantage point. I know that was not the case in ’63. The foliage was not as full.

A man was trying to sell another of the many conspiracy books on the assassination. I told him that I had had enough of the conspiracy. I said that I had put it out of my mind. He said that was the problem, too many people didn’t care anymore. I told him I had never bought into the lone gunman theory. I pointed to the knoll and the picket fence that is still there (or at least one like the original) and said “I believe there was another shooter right over there.” He agreed.

There really isn’t much to see there. The older kids seem to grasp the content of the place and of the events that happened there so long ago. The little one wanted to go to the zoo and the 7 year old wanted to go to “Chili’s” for lunch. We left and went to Chili’s.

There was a time, I used to say
When absolutes and naiveté
Were stripped and scarred
And blown away
In Dealey Plaza one November day
When I was twenty-one.

From “When I Was Twenty-One”
C 1997 Jack Dallas

John Kennedy may or may not have turned out to be a great president. Sadly, we shall never know.

Jack Dallas

he would have been impeached if he'd even been re-nominated. the press was about to blow his whoring around out into the open.
 
It's just too funny to see a rightwing nutjob like JD claiming to be sorrowful over the loss of one of the most liberal presidents to ever sit in the office. If he were alive today, JFK would be called a commie by the likes of Mr. Dallas, yet here he is singing the man's praises. Hypocrite much JD?

The Right know how the American people feel about JFK...so they try to claim him as "one of ours", based almost entirely on ONE speech to the NY Economic Club on favoring a tax cut.

But if you actually look at JFK's policies (like promoting Medicare)....or what HE said (see the quotes above).....that phoney glomming onto the Kennedy mantle by the Right is shown for what it is.
 
This is the Jack Dallas I love. It just is with JFK and there is no surprise in the strangely compelling tale you wrote in tribute because you brought the human element into it all. The poem is beautiful too.

You captured that day and that human tragedy.
 
"If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."----John F. Kennedy

Acceptance of the New York Liberal Party nomination (14 September 1960)



We have all made mistakes. But Dante tells us that divine
justice weighs the sins of the cold-blooded and the sins
of the warm-hearted on different scales. Better the
occasional faults of a party living in the spirit of
charity than the consistent omissions of a party
frozen in the ice of its own indifference.

---John F. Kennedy, 1960



Mr. Nixon, in the last seven days, has called me an
economic ignoramus, a Pied Piper, and all the rest.
I've just confined myself to calling him a Republician,
but he says that is getting low.

---John F. Kennedy, 11-5-1960



The Republican nominee-to-be, of course, is
also a young man. But his approach is as
old as McKinley. His party is the party of
the past. His speeches are generalities
from Poor Richard's Almanac. Their platform,
made up of left-over Democratic planks,
has the courage of our old convictions.
Their pledge is a pledge to the status quo
and today there can be no status quo.

---John F. Kennedy


A rich man like JFK cared about the poor....belived in giving charity to those who are in need? WOW...Mitt's supporters would have called him a socialist.
 
he would have been impeached if he'd even been re-nominated. the press was about to blow his whoring around out into the open.

and those who were in line to impeach him were no doubt doing the same thing themselves.
 
and those who were in line to impeach him were no doubt doing the same thing themselves.

Happened in 1999.....with a certain Mr Gingrich who after he got his impeachment bill.....

had him some'n-some'n with Miss Callista in the Speaker's office, while Marianne waited at home alone.
 
and those who were in line to impeach him were no doubt doing the same thing themselves.

not quite. he was sleeping with a woman with ties to the east german stasi and one with ties to sam giancana. they would have crucified him.
 
I've been to Dealey Plaza only once that I remember. I think it was in the early 90's. For some reason,the actual land area where it all happened seemed smaller than the way I saw it in my mind before that.
 
This is the Jack Dallas I love. It just is with JFK and there is no surprise in the strangely compelling tale you wrote in tribute because you brought the human element into it all. The poem is beautiful too.

You captured that day and that human tragedy.

that explains a lot
 
back then the press turned a blind eye to politicians private lives. FDR and Eisenhower both had been unfaithful to their wives. For whatever reason, the press knew and didn't regard it as something that should be public.....in many ways it was a better time.

Impeach the president for having sex with someone he wasn't married to? I guess you don't know much about the constitution or what constitutes a "high crime"....
 
It's just too funny to see a rightwing nutjob like JD claiming to be sorrowful over the loss of one of the most liberal presidents to ever sit in the office. If he were alive today, JFK would be called a commie by the likes of Mr. Dallas, yet here he is singing the man's praises. Hypocrite much JD?

I was 18 when Kennedy was elected, and very naive. I came to realize later on that he was not a very good president; but I liked him and I was sad when he was killed.
 
There are a few places I have been to that seem to hold an indescribable energy. The bridge between Lexington and Concord, the beaches at Normandy....Dealy Plaza. The hair on my neck bristled, as it would with a sudden chill...and I sensed the power of a moment in 1963 that was still there in 1978.
 
Thank you, Simile. I took the grandkids back down to Dealey Plaza several times after that, on November 22; but have not done it in a while now.

This is the Jack Dallas I love. It just is with JFK and there is no surprise in the strangely compelling tale you wrote in tribute because you brought the human element into it all. The poem is beautiful too.

You captured that day and that human tragedy.
 
back then the press turned a blind eye to politicians private lives. FDR and Eisenhower both had been unfaithful to their wives. For whatever reason, the press knew and didn't regard it as something that should be public.....in many ways it was a better time.

Impeach the president for having sex with someone he wasn't married to? I guess you don't know much about the constitution or what constitutes a "high crime"....

your ignorance is understandable, youre American

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13767
 
I've been to Dealey Plaza only once that I remember. I think it was in the early 90's. For some reason,the actual land area where it all happened seemed smaller than the way I saw it in my mind before that.

I was home on leave from the Navy in August of '63 and I passed through Dealey Plaza, just by coincidence. I was familiar with the area because it was the normal route to the Freeway from McKinney Avenue (where I hung out when I was a teenager). The day it happened I was kind of in shock, both because it had happenned and because it had happened in my town.
 
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