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Ukraine war: Who leaked top secret US documents - and why?

What to make of the dozens of classified US Defence Department documents - maps, charts and photographs - now circulating on the internet?

Complete with timelines and dozens of impenetrable military acronyms, the documents, some of them marked "top secret", paint a detailed picture of the war in Ukraine.

They tell of the casualties suffered on both sides, the military vulnerabilities of each and, crucially, what their relative strengths are likely to be when Ukraine decides to launch its much-anticipated spring offensive.

How real are these printed pages, unfolded and photographed, possibly on someone's dining room table? And what do they tell us, or the Kremlin, that we did not already know?

First things first: this is the biggest leak of secret American information on the war in Ukraine since Russia's full-scale invasion 14 months ago. Some of the documents are as much as six weeks old, but the implications are huge.

Pentagon officials are quoted as saying the documents are real.


Complete text: Ukraine war: Who leaked top secret US documents - and why? - BBC News


Security lapses are of course nothing new for the present administration:

A complete timeline of Biden's mishandling of classified information

Timeline: Biden's Mishandling of Classified Information (businessinsider.com)



Chinese spy balloon was able to transmit information back to Beijing

Chinese spy balloon was able to transmit information back to Beijing | CNN Politics



Blame it on treachery or incompetence - This administration is not doing a good job of safeguarding American intel.

 

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Ukraine war: Who leaked top secret US documents - and why?

What to make of the dozens of classified US Defence Department documents - maps, charts and photographs - now circulating on the internet?

Complete with timelines and dozens of impenetrable military acronyms, the documents, some of them marked "top secret", paint a detailed picture of the war in Ukraine.

They tell of the casualties suffered on both sides, the military vulnerabilities of each and, crucially, what their relative strengths are likely to be when Ukraine decides to launch its much-anticipated spring offensive.

How real are these printed pages, unfolded and photographed, possibly on someone's dining room table? And what do they tell us, or the Kremlin, that we did not already know?

First things first: this is the biggest leak of secret American information on the war in Ukraine since Russia's full-scale invasion 14 months ago. Some of the documents are as much as six weeks old, but the implications are huge.

Pentagon officials are quoted as saying the documents are real.


Complete text: Ukraine war: Who leaked top secret US documents - and why? - BBC News


Security lapses are of course nothing new for the present administration:

A complete timeline of Biden's mishandling of classified information

Timeline: Biden's Mishandling of Classified Information (businessinsider.com)



Chinese spy balloon was able to transmit information back to Beijing

Chinese spy balloon was able to transmit information back to Beijing | CNN Politics



Blame it on treachery or incompetence - This administration is not doing a good job of safeguarding American intel.

I'd bet someone in Congress leaked the documents. 4Chan is not a media outlet used by lefties...

 

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Ukraine war: Who leaked top secret US documents - and why?

What to make of the dozens of classified US Defence Department documents - maps, charts and photographs - now circulating on the internet?

Complete with timelines and dozens of impenetrable military acronyms, the documents, some of them marked "top secret", paint a detailed picture of the war in Ukraine.

They tell of the casualties suffered on both sides, the military vulnerabilities of each and, crucially, what their relative strengths are likely to be when Ukraine decides to launch its much-anticipated spring offensive.

How real are these printed pages, unfolded and photographed, possibly on someone's dining room table? And what do they tell us, or the Kremlin, that we did not already know?

First things first: this is the biggest leak of secret American information on the war in Ukraine since Russia's full-scale invasion 14 months ago. Some of the documents are as much as six weeks old, but the implications are huge.

Pentagon officials are quoted as saying the documents are real.


Complete text: Ukraine war: Who leaked top secret US documents - and why? - BBC News


Security lapses are of course nothing new for the present administration:

A complete timeline of Biden's mishandling of classified information

Timeline: Biden's Mishandling of Classified Information (businessinsider.com)



Chinese spy balloon was able to transmit information back to Beijing

Chinese spy balloon was able to transmit information back to Beijing | CNN Politics



Blame it on treachery or incompetence - This administration is not doing a good job of safeguarding American intel.

From your link

There so far appears to be a difference between Biden's and Trump's handling of the classified documents — such as a drastically higher number of documents that Trump claims he took purposefully and resisted returning; Biden's team is cooperating with the National Archives and the Justice Department.

 

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From your link

There so far appears to be a difference between Biden's and Trump's handling of the classified documents — such as a drastically higher number of documents that Trump claims he took purposefully and resisted returning; Biden's team is cooperating with the National Archives and the Justice Department.

If your only means of defending Biden is to point out Trump was also awful, that's not much of a defense, is it?

This administration's record of protecting classified intel just isn't good by any reasonable standard. It's been disastrous.

 

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I'd bet someone in Congress leaked the documents. 4Chan is not a media outlet used by lefties...

Could be, but that's just speculation. Who knows?

What we do know with certainty is that these lapses are occurring on this administration's watch.

 

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If your only means of defending Biden is point out Trump was also awful, that's not much of a defense, is it?

This administration's record of protecting classified intel just isn't good by any reasonable standard. It's been disastrous.

1. The 5 or 6 pages found at his office or the few pages found at his home are, as yet, unknown as far as what information is in them.
2. The 40 boxes of government documents found at Mag-A-Lardo are also largely unknown as far as content.

The first point is that Biden immediately returned any and all documents discovered and did not resist any request to search his offices or home. Trump fought against returning the documents for a year. What happened to the documents that had been in those folders found empty?

Biden's record is far better than Trump's.

 

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Could be, but that's just speculation. Who knows?

What we do know with certainty is that these lapses are occurring on this administration's watch.

Remember that Congress enforces its own rules related to classified documents. The first exposure was through an online game. 4chan picked it up from there. As yet there is no proof that the leak came from the White House.

 

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1. The 5 or 6 pages found at his office or the few pages found at his home are, as yet, unknown as far as what information is in them.
2. The 40 boxes of government documents found at Mag-A-Lardo are also largely unknown as far as content.

The first point is that Biden immediately returned any and all documents discovered and did not resist any request to search his offices or home. Trump fought against returning the documents for a year. What happened to the documents that had been in those folders found empty?

Biden's record is far better than Trump's.

Biden's record, as has been documented here, is poor.

If you wish to argue Trump's was as well, that's fine, and also irrelevant. Stalin killed more than Hitler - So what?

 

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Remember that Congress enforces its own rules related to classified documents. The first exposure was through an online game. 4chan picked it up from there. As yet there is no proof that the leak came from the White House.

"The buck stops here" - Harry Truman.

Buck passing simply will not do.

 

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"The buck stops here" - Harry Truman.

Buck passing simply will not do.

Certainly not if a member of congress or a staffer decided to copy them. The president does not own what members of congress do....

 

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Biden's record, as has been documented here, is poor.

If you wish to argue Trump's was as well, that's fine, and also irrelevant. Stalin killed more than Hitler - So what?

Trump's record was worse. Did you forget when he shared intelligence with the Russian ambassador that had been passed to us from the Israelis?

 

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Certainly not if a member of congress or a staffer decided to copy them. The president does not own what members of congress do....

Again, speculation. You're guessing.

I;m not guessing: This is Joe Biden's watch.

 

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Trump's record was worse. Did you forget when he shared intelligence with the Russian ambassador that had been passed to us from the Israelis?

Biden thread, which you are hoping to distract from.

Biden's watch, no one else, and his record is terrible.

Any other excuses you wish to make for him?

 

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Again, speculation. You're guessing.

I;m not guessing: This is Joe Biden's watch.

You are guessing the leak came from the executive branch....I'm pointing out that it is more likely to have come from opponents of the Biden administration.

 

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You are guessing the leak came from the executive branch....I'm pointing out that it is more likely to have come from opponents of the Biden administration.

No.

I'm not speculating where it came from at all. Your premise is false.

I am stating it occurred. That is a fact.

I'm stating it occurred on Biden's watch. That is a fact.

No guessing at all.

 

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No.

I'm not speculating where it came from at all. Your premise is false.

I am stating it occurred. That is a fact.

I'm stating it occurred on Biden's watch. That is a fact.

No guessing at all.

You imply it is Biden's fault....that is a guess.

 

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Biden thread, which you are hoping to distract from.

Biden's watch, no one else, and his record is terrible.

Any other excuses you wish to make for him?

Biden thread where you brought up Hitler and Stalin....how funny.

 

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You imply it is Biden's fault....that is a guess.

I'm saying it's his responsibility.

Only because it is.

 

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Biden thread where you brought up Hitler and Stalin....how funny.

Is it not possible for you to discuss the thread topic without ever bringing up Trump?

Can you?

Just curious.

 

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Is it not possible for you to discuss the thread topic without ever bringing up Trump?

Can you?

Just curious.

Is Trump relevant to the topic?