So Kasich pulled it off...

[Lukey]

A nice second place showing in New Hampshire. Of course the knives came out, and his campaign had a nice comeback:

Shortly after the Associated Press affirmed that Kasich would finish behind a dominant Trump, Bush spokesman Tim Miller sought to portray Kasich as weak on the military, a cutting jab ahead of strongly pro-military South Carolina, the next state on the Republican primary calendar.


Kasich “for 20 years has been a supporter of gutting the military,” Miller said. "We don’t really think John Kasich has a strong constituency there. I wouldn’t be surprised if he skips South Carolina altogether.”


A Kasich spokesman responded in kind. "I wouldn't be surprised if Jeb Bush drops out, which he should do instead of tearing down the rest of the party," said the spokesman, Chris Schrimpf. "He is destroying his legacy."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...hire-republican-establishment-219036?lo=ap_d2

As the only adult running (in either party) I can only hope this is the start of a trend for him. Yes, we can only balance the budget if we spend less on the military (duh), because you have to give the Democrats something and that makes the most sense. As for expanding Medicaid - I hope he's smart enough to adopt my suggestion to repeal Obamacare and open up Medicaid to all on a sliding scale fee based on income, and put everything else back the way it was. This stuff isn't rocket science...

 

[Arkady]

A nice second place showing in New Hampshire. Of course the knives came out, and his campaign had a nice comeback:

Shortly after the Associated Press affirmed that Kasich would finish behind a dominant Trump, Bush spokesman Tim Miller sought to portray Kasich as weak on the military, a cutting jab ahead of strongly pro-military South Carolina, the next state on the Republican primary calendar.


Kasich “for 20 years has been a supporter of gutting the military,” Miller said. "We don’t really think John Kasich has a strong constituency there. I wouldn’t be surprised if he skips South Carolina altogether.”


A Kasich spokesman responded in kind. "I wouldn't be surprised if Jeb Bush drops out, which he should do instead of tearing down the rest of the party," said the spokesman, Chris Schrimpf. "He is destroying his legacy."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...hire-republican-establishment-219036?lo=ap_d2

As the only adult running (in either party) I can only hope this is the start of a trend for him. Yes, we can only balance the budget if we spend less on the military (duh), because you have to give the Democrats something and that makes the most sense. As for expanding Medicaid - I hope he's smart enough to adopt my suggestion to repeal Obamacare and open up Medicaid to all on a sliding scale fee based on income, and put everything else back the way it was. This stuff isn't rocket science...

I find Kasich to be pretty extreme by more normal standards of policy. He's one of those "hard money" nuts, who has a problem with both monetary and fiscal stimulus. If he'd become president back in 2008, we'd probably still be in something akin to the Great Depression, since he would have sent us down the same path as Greece -- trying to cut our way into prosperity, and wondering why GDP kept falling so much faster than debt.

But, as awful as he is, I guess that, relative to his opponents in the Republican presidential race, he's what passes for a moderate these days. He's at least moderate in tone and tries to argue issues instead of fueling his campaign on pure hatred. I'd take him over Trump and Cruz, to be sure. However, I'd much rather have someone rational, like Sanders or even Clinton.

 

[as seen on tv]

Kasich tells JEB! to drop out. JEB! tells Kasich to skip the next primary.

Wow - this is certainly helping inform me about candidates views on taxes, spending, and our failing schools!

 

[Lukey]

I find Kasich to be pretty extreme by more normal standards of policy. He's one of those "hard money" nuts, who has a problem with both monetary and fiscal stimulus. If he'd become president back in 2008, we'd probably still be in something akin to the Great Depression, since he would have sent us down the same path as Greece -- trying to cut our way into prosperity, and wondering why GDP kept falling so much faster than debt.

But, as awful as he is, I guess that, relative to his opponents in the Republican presidential race, he's what passes for a moderate these days. He's at least moderate in tone and tries to argue issues instead of fueling his campaign on pure hatred. I'd take him over Trump and Cruz, to be sure. However, I'd much rather have someone rational, like Sanders or even Clinton.

Of course we both know that what you are attempting to peddle here is Keynesian economic theory, which has been thoroughly disgraced as a policy agenda, all across the developed economies, over the past seven years. You must be forgetting how your own premise that Japan did worse during it's "austerity" experiment in the 2000 - 2007 timeframe was refuted by none other than Paul Krugman. And then there's Ireland:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-the-rise-of-the-celtic-phoenix-10449150.html

 

[Arkady]

Of course we both know that what you are attempting to peddle here is Keynesian economic theory, which has been thoroughly disgraced as a policy agenda

No. As you're well aware, Keynesianism, which had somewhat fallen out of fashion in the age of Reaganomic dolts, has had a huge resurgence in recent years, with Keynesians being chosen as Treasury secretaries and Fed chairs, and Keynesians being the most respected living economists. And it's little wonder. As you know, the Keynesians have used their models to correctly predict the overall economic trends of the post-crisis era, at a time when the economists on the right were humiliating themselves with talk of rising interest rates and run-away inflation, and the stimulative virtues of austerity. At this point, how does anyone take the right wing economists seriously?

And then there's Ireland

Yes, indeed. As you know, in the post-crisis era, Ireland's had MUCH worse average GDP growth than the US -- exactly as we'd expect based on their greater degree of austerity, and exactly the opposite of what the economic know-nothings on the right thought would happen.

 

[RickWA]

I find Kasich to be pretty extreme by more normal standards of policy. He's one of those "hard money" nuts, who has a problem with both monetary and fiscal stimulus. If he'd become president back in 2008, we'd probably still be in something akin to the Great Depression, since he would have sent us down the same path as Greece -- trying to cut our way into prosperity, and wondering why GDP kept falling so much faster than debt.

But, as awful as he is, I guess that, relative to his opponents in the Republican presidential race, he's what passes for a moderate these days. He's at least moderate in tone and tries to argue issues instead of fueling his campaign on pure hatred. I'd take him over Trump and Cruz, to be sure. However, I'd much rather have someone rational, like Sanders or even Clinton.

LOL! "Hard money nuts"??

Socialist Keynesian debt-addicts are up in arms.

 

[RickWA]

Of course we both know that what you are attempting to peddle here is Keynesian economic theory, which has been thoroughly disgraced as a policy agenda, all across the developed economies, over the past seven years. You must be forgetting how your own premise that Japan did worse during it's "austerity" experiment in the 2000 - 2007 timeframe was refuted by none other than Paul Krugman. And then there's Ireland:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-the-rise-of-the-celtic-phoenix-10449150.html

Be that as it may, the expression "hard money nuts" is awesome. Debt-expanding borrow-and-spend Keynesians are emboldened to the point that they mock responsibility. This is a good place to be. The past 15 years or so has completely muddled the thinking of many.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

No. As you're well aware, Keynesianism, which had somewhat fallen out of fashion in the age of Reaganomic dolts, has had a huge resurgence in recent years, with Keynesians being chosen as Treasury secretaries and Fed chairs, and Keynesians being the most respected living economists. And it's little wonder. As you know, the Keynesians have used their models to correctly predict the overall economic trends of the post-crisis era, at a time when the economists on the right were humiliating themselves with talk of rising interest rates and run-away inflation, and the stimulative virtues of austerity. At this point, how does anyone take the right wing economists seriously?

This is just priceless, pun intended.

It's easy to be a Keynesian when there's no standard for the money you deal in, and you can simply borrow it, skyrocketing the debt to a height without limits.

Hell, anyone can be successful without fiscal responsbility.

We as a nation just need adults to enter the picture and pay the bills.

 

[Arkady]

Be that as it may, the expression "hard money nuts" is awesome. Debt-expanding borrow-and-spend Keynesians are emboldened to the point that they mock responsibility. This is a good place to be. The past 15 years or so has completely muddled the thinking of many.

I'm not mocking responsibility. I'm demanding it. It's absurdly irresponsible to drive an economy into depression and a people into pointless suffering simply because your economic faith demands hard money. It's akin to religious taboos against blood transfusions or pain killers -- they extend and worsen suffering for no damned reason. Mocking that isn't mocking responsibility. It's mocking irrationality.

 

[Arkady]

This is just priceless, pun intended.

It's easy to be a Keynesian when there's no standard for the money you deal in, and you can simply borrow it, skyrocketing the debt to a height without limits.

Hell, anyone can be successful without fiscal responsbility.

We as a nation just need adults to enter the picture and pay the bills.

We have ample experience with getting debt under control. From 1946 to 1980, debt fell every single year as a share of GDP, going from almost 120% to something like 33%. That's when the adults were in charge. Then we got a truly terrible president, and debt levels soared faster than economic growth, resulting in debt rising as a share of GDP throughout the catastrophic Reaganomic era. Then, again, we elected an adult. He raised taxes a bit but mostly just held the line against wasteful military spending and counter-productive social spending cuts, and the result, yet again, was plunging debt as a share of GDP. Then the Supreme Court appointed Bush president, and the reckless kiddies were again in control. Yet again, debt rose as a share of GDP every single year, and when Obama helped to extend nearly all Bush's reckless tax cuts, the damage just kept being done. If you want fiscal responsibility, take an honest look at what tax policy was like in the eras when debt was falling as a share of GDP. Unfortunately, every single person running for the Republican nomination has rejected that proven approach, and instead wants to double down on the recklessness of Reagan and Bush, with the hope that for some reason the results will be different this time.

 

[Saladin2]

Did Kasich use any of the Lehman Bros money he received when he was hired shill for those Ass Holes?

 

[Jen]

A nice second place showing in New Hampshire. Of course the knives came out, and his campaign had a nice comeback:

Shortly after the Associated Press affirmed that Kasich would finish behind a dominant Trump, Bush spokesman Tim Miller sought to portray Kasich as weak on the military, a cutting jab ahead of strongly pro-military South Carolina, the next state on the Republican primary calendar.


Kasich “for 20 years has been a supporter of gutting the military,” Miller said. "We don’t really think John Kasich has a strong constituency there. I wouldn’t be surprised if he skips South Carolina altogether.”


A Kasich spokesman responded in kind. "I wouldn't be surprised if Jeb Bush drops out, which he should do instead of tearing down the rest of the party," said the spokesman, Chris Schrimpf. "He is destroying his legacy."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...hire-republican-establishment-219036?lo=ap_d2

As the only adult running (in either party) I can only hope this is the start of a trend for him. Yes, we can only balance the budget if we spend less on the military (duh), because you have to give the Democrats something and that makes the most sense. As for expanding Medicaid - I hope he's smart enough to adopt my suggestion to repeal Obamacare and open up Medicaid to all on a sliding scale fee based on income, and put everything else back the way it was. This stuff isn't rocket science...

One and he's done.

 

[Lukey]

I'm not mocking responsibility. I'm demanding it. It's absurdly irresponsible to drive an economy into depression and a people into pointless suffering simply because your economic faith demands hard money. It's akin to religious taboos against blood transfusions or pain killers -- they extend and worsen suffering for no damned reason. Mocking that isn't mocking responsibility. It's mocking irrationality.

Here's your economy on Keynes:



That is the very picture of driving an economy into depression (and a people into pointless suffering). And we wonder why even with ZIRP the velocity of money has collapsed?

 

[connieb]

A nice second place showing in New Hampshire. Of course the knives came out, and his campaign had a nice comeback:

Shortly after the Associated Press affirmed that Kasich would finish behind a dominant Trump, Bush spokesman Tim Miller sought to portray Kasich as weak on the military, a cutting jab ahead of strongly pro-military South Carolina, the next state on the Republican primary calendar.


Kasich “for 20 years has been a supporter of gutting the military,” Miller said. "We don’t really think John Kasich has a strong constituency there. I wouldn’t be surprised if he skips South Carolina altogether.”


A Kasich spokesman responded in kind. "I wouldn't be surprised if Jeb Bush drops out, which he should do instead of tearing down the rest of the party," said the spokesman, Chris Schrimpf. "He is destroying his legacy."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...hire-republican-establishment-219036?lo=ap_d2

As the only adult running (in either party) I can only hope this is the start of a trend for him. Yes, we can only balance the budget if we spend less on the military (duh), because you have to give the Democrats something and that makes the most sense. As for expanding Medicaid - I hope he's smart enough to adopt my suggestion to repeal Obamacare and open up Medicaid to all on a sliding scale fee based on income, and put everything else back the way it was. This stuff isn't rocket science...

I like Kassich in general. I like that he has been positive and not engaging in much of the back-biting and tit for tat. Rubio has been much the same way, and I like that about him.

My BIG problem with Kassich though is on illegal immigration and giving illegals some sort of legalized status. It frosts me to no end to hear about how if they have been here and haven't broken any laws...

There is NO WAY to be here and be working - and not be breaking laws. First of all - overstaying their visa or not getting a Visa when they should have, etc - means they are breaking a law every day by their very existence. If you discount that though, they are breaking the law by working when they know they are not allowed to. They are most likely perjuring themselves on I-9's. They are using false identification. They are committing identity theft by using someone else's real SSN. They are committing tax fraud and or tax evasion. They may not be commiting violent crimes. SO THE HELL WHAT? Only less than 10% of the population does that anyway. What they have shown is that they are dishonest - by knowingly using fake paperwork and committing perjury, they have no respect for the laws of the land by knowingly working and staying in a country they are not allowed to be in. That is plenty reason - to not reward that criminal behavior.

If you or I were working under someone else's name and SSN, if you and I were using someone else's name and SSN to file false tax returns. If you and I were not filing tax returns because we gave false info and can't file tax returns. If you and I were laying on our I-9's... we would be prosecuted under many different felony counts for that.

Illegal aliens are felons. If he wants to have a discussion about the impracticality of actually physically being able to deport them all quickly, we can have that talk. But, the discussion should be honest - no matter how nice and good these people are otherwise, they are felons. Pure and simple. They are criminals, pure and simple. Acknowledge that first and foremost. And, he won't because he is far too casper milquetoast.

And, unfortunately that is why despite liking most of the rest of his platform, can't back him.

connie

 

[Saladin2]

Illegals are felons???....Sure they are...Yet big corporation hire them so they can make big profits that go to there share holders ...and the American consumers buy the products that comes from their labor...Oh the humanity...

 

[Spamature]

A nice second place showing in New Hampshire. Of course the knives came out, and his campaign had a nice comeback:

Shortly after the Associated Press affirmed that Kasich would finish behind a dominant Trump, Bush spokesman Tim Miller sought to portray Kasich as weak on the military, a cutting jab ahead of strongly pro-military South Carolina, the next state on the Republican primary calendar.


Kasich “for 20 years has been a supporter of gutting the military,” Miller said. "We don’t really think John Kasich has a strong constituency there. I wouldn’t be surprised if he skips South Carolina altogether.”


A Kasich spokesman responded in kind. "I wouldn't be surprised if Jeb Bush drops out, which he should do instead of tearing down the rest of the party," said the spokesman, Chris Schrimpf. "He is destroying his legacy."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...hire-republican-establishment-219036?lo=ap_d2

As the only adult running (in either party) I can only hope this is the start of a trend for him. Yes, we can only balance the budget if we spend less on the military (duh), because you have to give the Democrats something and that makes the most sense. As for expanding Medicaid - I hope he's smart enough to adopt my suggestion to repeal Obamacare and open up Medicaid to all on a sliding scale fee based on income, and put everything else back the way it was. This stuff isn't rocket science...

You can't go practically door to door in any other state like NH other than meaningless RI the way Kasich did to win this one. 106 town hall meetings got him his win in this one. But you are talking about the one Republican who wrapped his arms around the Medicaid portion of the ACA.

 

[connieb]

Illegals are felons???....Sure they are...Yet big corporation hire them so they can make big profits that go to there share holders ...and the American consumers buy the products that comes from their labor...Oh the humanity...

Yes, people who knowingly hire illegals are felons too.

Perhaps you didn't know this - but if you are an employer and someone presents you documentation for an I-9 - you do not have a right to refuse that documentation - or to hire the person EVEN if you suspect it is fraudulent... and, infact the DOJ is prosecuting a business right now, for demanding that person they believed was supplying them fraudulent documentation - provide other documentation. Yes, our Gov't is hassling the business owner, for trying to be responsible.

Now why would that be - OH YEAH because our Gov't wants to make sure that when these people get here that they WILL be hired.

Do you know what the penalty is for not having an I-9 is? It can be up to 10,000. Why isn't our Gov't randomly spot checking businesses all over this country for that.. Oh yeah.. they don't actually want to find those people.

Do you know on average how long it takes for the SSA to notify and employer that the name and the SSN they used on a W2 doesn't match? 18 months to two years. Do you what the fine and penalty is for tha? -0-. Now why do you think that is - well the lag time is general incompetence. But the lack of a fine is because they KNOW that people will do this.

Do you know the latest method to get around needing a W2 and an I-9 is? These people form LLC's. Do you know - that you do not need to be a citizen or legal resident to form an LLC? Did you know that you can get paid as a 1099 contractor - to a LLC - an LLC created by a person who is not eligible to work here, and that there is basically NOTHING the payor or the Gov't can do to match that up?

The companies here who are hiring illegals - are not the companies making billions and passing it on to their shareholders and mass producing consumer products that Americans buy. Those companies do it legally by relocating plants to Mexico or China, or by getting people H1b visas. So, when you are willing to give up your Iphone or your Galaxy, you let me know......

No, the people who are hiring illegals in this country are predominantly small to mid-sized business. Many who know the forms they are given are fraudulent, but about which they can do nothing, even if they want to.

connie

 

[Lukey]

No. As you're well aware, Keynesianism, which had somewhat fallen out of fashion in the age of Reaganomic dolts, has had a huge resurgence in recent years, with Keynesians being chosen as Treasury secretaries and Fed chairs, and Keynesians being the most respected living economists. And it's little wonder. As you know, the Keynesians have used their models to correctly predict the overall economic trends of the post-crisis era, at a time when the economists on the right were humiliating themselves with talk of rising interest rates and run-away inflation, and the stimulative virtues of austerity. At this point, how does anyone take the right wing economists seriously?



Yes, indeed. As you know, in the post-crisis era, Ireland's had MUCH worse average GDP growth than the US -- exactly as we'd expect based on their greater degree of austerity, and exactly the opposite of what the economic know-nothings on the right thought would happen.

Not any more!

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/...its-7-as-recovery-outstrips-targets-1.2461403

Of course there will be a lag time associated with cutting government spending, as it counts in GDP! After a couple of years of private sector adjustment, it's off to the races.

 

[Lukey]

I like Kassich in general. I like that he has been positive and not engaging in much of the back-biting and tit for tat. Rubio has been much the same way, and I like that about him.

My BIG problem with Kassich though is on illegal immigration and giving illegals some sort of legalized status. It frosts me to no end to hear about how if they have been here and haven't broken any laws...

There is NO WAY to be here and be working - and not be breaking laws. First of all - overstaying their visa or not getting a Visa when they should have, etc - means they are breaking a law every day by their very existence. If you discount that though, they are breaking the law by working when they know they are not allowed to. They are most likely perjuring themselves on I-9's. They are using false identification. They are committing identity theft by using someone else's real SSN. They are committing tax fraud and or tax evasion. They may not be commiting violent crimes. SO THE HELL WHAT? Only less than 10% of the population does that anyway. What they have shown is that they are dishonest - by knowingly using fake paperwork and committing perjury, they have no respect for the laws of the land by knowingly working and staying in a country they are not allowed to be in. That is plenty reason - to not reward that criminal behavior.

If you or I were working under someone else's name and SSN, if you and I were using someone else's name and SSN to file false tax returns. If you and I were not filing tax returns because we gave false info and can't file tax returns. If you and I were laying on our I-9's... we would be prosecuted under many different felony counts for that.

Illegal aliens are felons. If he wants to have a discussion about the impracticality of actually physically being able to deport them all quickly, we can have that talk. But, the discussion should be honest - no matter how nice and good these people are otherwise, they are felons. Pure and simple. They are criminals, pure and simple. Acknowledge that first and foremost. And, he won't because he is far too casper milquetoast.

And, unfortunately that is why despite liking most of the rest of his platform, can't back him.

connie

Sorry Connie, I have to disagree. Who do you think is going to pay for your social security if we don't add tens of millions of new workers via immigration. We should take anyone who wants to come and work (and assimilate). A lot of them do it to legitimately flee the criminal element in their home country (which the Democrats welcome here and I am against) or the failed socialist economies. These are the kinds of people we should be welcoming with open arms.

 

[Arkady]

Here's your economy on Keynes:

View attachment 29867

That is the very picture of driving an economy into depression (and a people into pointless suffering). And we wonder why even with ZIRP the velocity of money has collapsed?

As a reminder, much of that period was the ascendancy of the monetarists, as well as a disastrous experiment with austerity in recent years. Keynesian policy held sway most strongly in the mid-30s through the 1960s.