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Stand Down !

Boca

Boca

Governor
.....soon to become #1 in the Obama era list of oxymorons, replacing "jobless recovery" which held the top spot since 2009 until overtaken last year by "leading from behind ".

For reader's who aren't sure where " stand down" came from, then "sit up" and take notice.

A CIA spokesperson - presumably at the direction of CIA Diector David Petraeus - issued the following statement Friday.

"No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. ”

The insertion of "at any level" is quite significant in that it covers everyone including the Director himself. It's also significant what the statement doesn't say.... it doesn't say requests from the CIA Annex in Benghazi to assist those at the consulate were never received. What it's intentionally meant to convey is the "stand down" came from someone else, not the CIA.

Now who that would be? :confused:

Sit up and take notice also that of all the statements issued, and/or public appearances and interviews regarding Benghazi...from the President, the Secretary of State, the UN Ambassador, and the Secretary of Defense...none have featured CIA Director Petraeus. Odd that don't you think? Wasn't this tragedy at least partially an intelligence problem?

And yet we've heard nothing at all from General Petraeus or seen him, nor has he been asked any questions by the media?

H'mmm....you'd almost think the General himself was ordered to "Stand Down".
 
I always like to read your posts Boca. You don't have a filter at all. You just dump your wild-eyed fantasies out there raw for the entire world to see. It's rather amusing, really.
 
LOL.....hurts don't it....Petraeus has, or at his direction, pointedly thrown Obama to the wolves....problem is there are no wolves in the media this cycle, just waterboys.
 
It's really pretty remarkable. Google "Petreaus says no one told to stand down by the CIA" and nothing but rightwing blogs pop up. I wonder why the MSM isn't covering any of this?

What's remarkable isn't that there's a rightwing echo chamber. It's that in a campaign about the economy (jobs and debt), the rightwing and the Romney campaign are more focussed upon peripheral issues than what they say is their bread and butter.

Unemployment is 7.8% and total debt has increased by 50% under Obama. That should fry Obama but the truth is Obama is going to be reelected in 9 days.

You guys blew it.
 
They don't want to discuss economic policy for fear that someone will notice that it's the same economic policy that the George W. Bush administration practiced. I don't want anyone to practice that on me again. I had enough last time.
 
Romney has too steep a hill to climb in carving a EC vote pathway that adds up to 270. It's not impossible for Romney to do so, but it's very unlikely.

Today, there is more coverage about God's intent in cases of rape than there is on Romney's plans for economic revival.

And I think you're correct -- the GOP/TP economic proposals are very unpopular with the public. That unpopularity has made it difficult for Romney to exploit 7.8% unemployment and record deficits.
 
Your "logic" is so bizarre, I don't know where to begin.

1. According to your post, CIA assets in Benghazi said they'd gotten a request for help from the consulate and someone told them to "stand down". Do you think those assets were in communication with their own chain of command or were they talking to the White House? If you think that they were talking to the White House you just don't know shit about how things work.
2. So the CIA in Benghazi (according to the Brietbart story) were told to stand down, they were most definately in communication with their own command within the CIA...and Petraeus says nobody in the CIA told them to stand down.

Explain that.

So was the event in Benghazi an intelligence problem? Try to figure out how you get inside intel on every bunch calling themselves a militia that has a hundred or so guys with AK-47s and some RPGs or mortars. Gee, can't be too many of those little bands handing around Libya these days.

My bet is that we had no CIA assets, other than those at the consulate, in Benghazi. That is why we had so little information on who was responsible for the attack. It is also possible that, given the difficulty of recruiting local assets, that they didn't want to blow their cover by having them show up to fight on our side?

I don't know the facts, but neither do you. I can at least evaluate what we do know and eliminate what couldn't possibly have happened, while you seem perfectly willing to accept the most out landish accusations....so how about this....I've heard from a friend who has a cousin who's mother-in-law's dog walker knows somebody in the barber shop next door to the Romney campaign HQ and we've heard that Romney paid the militia to attack our embassy.....Prove me wrong.
 
Good gawd....you are so out of touch... "CIA assets in Benghazi said they'd gotten a request for help from the consulate". No, no, no!

CIA folks at the CIA Annex about a mile away from the consulate requested permission to go to the consulate and help after they heard gunfire. They were told to "stand down" three times. They disobeyed the order and went to the consulate at about 9:40 or something. They rescued about 30 people but couldn't find Ambassador Stevens. They proceeded to get the people out and evacuated, then returned to the Aannex a liitle after midnight. Shortly thereafter the Annex itself came under mortar attack (not like a spontaneous reaction to a film) and they requested support. One of them was on the roof manning a machine gun and laser targeting the mortar position expecting air support. Probably from our base in Italy about an hour's flight time away...maybe somewhere else who knows? At any rate, a Sceptre gunship at the Italian base, or anywhere else for that matter, which was specifically designed for close air support in Special Ops firefight situations, never came.

Tyrone Woods and the others died FOUR HOURS later from a direct mortar hit on the Annex.

Got it yet?

Try to figure out how you get inside intel on every bunch calling themselves a militia that has a hundred or so guys with AK-47s and some RPGs or mortars. Gee, can't be too many of those little bands handing around Libya these days.
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And guess where those weapons came from? Us...specifically the CIA who smuggled them to the militias during the Libyan uprising, and some believe Ambassador was tasked to to divert some of them and smuggle them to the Syrian rebels. I don't know about that, but it sure helps to understand why the Ambassador was in Benghazi in the first place.

Hope that helps....remember there were two battles that between them lasted 7 hours.
 
Boca said:
Good gawd....you are so out of touch... "CIA assets in Benghazi said they'd gotten a request for help from the consulate". No, no, no!

CIA folks at the CIA Annex about a mile away from the consulate requested permission to go to the consulate and help after they heard gunfire. They were told to "stand down" three times.
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Simply not true.

A 6 man team went to reinforce the compound.... and then a team of reinforcements arrives from TRIPOLI... Mortar fire then hits the compound and Woods is killed

There is no "stand down" order. There is an allocation of resources

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/09/timeline-new-details-sept-11-consulate-attack-in-libya/

You are lying...

Straight up lying

FACTS MATTER.

bTW, there were 7 hours between the START of the fighting and the final end. But there were no "7hrs of fighting"... that too is dishonest.

There was Just over ONE HOUR of fighting.. Then... THREE HOURS LATER..a second attack commences. This one lasts about TWO HOURS... And is repulsed by the reinforced security force

FACTS you numbnut.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444620104578008922056244096.html
 
CIA annex? Are you freakin' kidding me? Where is a link to prove this? Not brietbart, not Glenn Beck....how about a link to any of the testimony before congress. Who were the guys at the "cia annex" in contact with? Were they talking to their chain of command at the CIA? If so how do you square Petreaus' statement that nobody at the CIA said do not go to help the consulate? The chain of command is what you seem to ignore. The president does not give orders to some CIA agent in the field. He gives orders to Petraeus.

So you, of course, have proof that the militia that attacked the consulate were carrying weapons we supplied or are you pulling shit out of your ass again? And yes, you are correct, you don't know about that and most other major parts of the story, but that doesn't stop you from either repeating bullshit you've heard or making some up on your own.
 
Well degs...I'm sure glad you like Fox News...and I can certainly understand why you cherry picked a stale October 9th report and the other from Sept. 21.

So....why not take a peek at this one from Fox only 2 days ago?


Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.

CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Youngblood, though, denied the claims that requests for support were turned down.

"We can say with confidence that the Agency reacted quickly to aid our colleagues during that terrible evening in Benghazi," she said. "Moreover, no one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. In fact, it is important to remember how many lives were saved by courageous Americans who put their own safety at risk that night-and that some of those selfless Americans gave their lives in the effort to rescue their comrades."

The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.
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Don't call me a liar again....
 
Yep the "smart" people with the "smart" sources of information are being "honest" yet again

Here's just a partial history of the "honesty" and 'intelligence":


No lying from the FOX News folks, right?


"Jane Akre and her husband Steve Wilson are former employees of Fox owned-and-operated station WTVT in Tampa, Florida. In 1997, they were fired from the station after refusing to knowingly include false information in their report concerning the Monsanto Company’s production of RBGH, a drug designed to make cows produce more milk. They successfully sued under Florida’s whistle blower law and were awarded a US $425,000 settlement by jury decision. However, Fox appealed to an appellate court and won, after the court declared that the FCC policy against falsification that Fox violated was just a policy and not a “law, rule, or regulation”, and so the whistle blower law did not apply."

"The court agreed with WTVT’s (Fox) argument “that the FCC’s policy against the intentional falsification of the news — which the FCC has called its “news distortion policy” — does not qualify as the required “law, rule, or regulation” under section 448.102.[...] Because the FCC’s news distortion policy is not a “law, rule, or regulation” under section 448.102, Akre has failed to state a claim under the whistle-blower’s statute.”[1]

"In 2001, Jane Akre and her husband won the Goldman Environmental Prize as a recognition for their report on RBGH. "[2]

"In 2004, Fox filed a US$1.7 million counter-suit against Akre and Wilson for trial fees and costs. Akre and Wilson both appear in a major portion of the 2004/5 critical documentary, The Corporation."

"In 2007 Jane became the editor-in-chief of the national news desk at InjuryBoard.com."[3]
http://foxnewsboycott.com/resources/...n-lie-lawsuit/



"The extent of Americans’ misperceptions vary significantly depending on their source of news. Those who receive most of their news from Fox News are more likely than average to have misperceptions. Those who receive most of their news from NPR or PBS are less likely to have misperceptions. These variations cannot simply be explained as a result of differences in the demographic characteristics of each audience, because these variations can also be found when comparing the demographic subgroups of each audience."
http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Ir..._Oct03_rpt.pdf


http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8148.pdf
http://www.comm.ohio-state.edu/kgarr...squeRumors.pdf
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Dec10_rpt.pdf
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/pol...cons033634.php
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/final.pdf
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/outfox/final.pdf
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2012/confirmed/final.pdf
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/





"The News Corporation scandal developed in mid-2011 out of a series of investigations following up the News of the World royal phone hacking scandal of 2005–2007. Where initially the scandal appeared contained to a single journalist at News Corporation subsidiary News of the World, with the 2007 jailing of Clive Goodman and the resignation of then editor Andy Coulson, investigations eventually revealed a much wider pattern of wrongdoing. This led to the closure of the News of the World on 10 July 2011, an apology by Rupert Murdoch in an advertisement in most British national newspapers, and the withdrawing of News Corporation's bid to take over the majority of BSkyB shares it did not own. However, investigations continued into what the company and individuals at the company knew of the phone hacking and when, as well as into other issues, including questions around police bribery. Since police renewed investigations in 2011, 90 people have been arrested and 16 charged with crimes in conjunction with illegal acquisition of confidential information, many if not most of them employees or agents of News Corp."


"News Corporation owns a multitude of news outlets in the United States, including the New York Post, The Wall Street Journal, and the Fox News Channel. Several media critics have called for investigations into whether they too engaged in phone hacking activities. In addition to any possible illegal activities in the U.S., News Corporation and/or its executives might also face civil and criminal liability under the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corporation_scandal


"Roger Eugene Ailes (born May 15, 1940) is president of Fox News Channel, and chairman of the Fox Television Stations Group. Ailes was a media consultant for Republican presidents Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and George H. W. Bush and Rudy Giuliani’s first mayoral campaign (1989)."

"In 1991, Ailes convinced a syndicator to bring Rush Limbaugh from radio to television and became executive producer of the late-night show.[18] The show debuted in 1992 and was eventually discontinued in 1996. The pilot and series were produced with Richard Mincer, Maria Bianco (Dorfner), Kathleen Gleason and Nick Africano out of Unitel Studios on W. 57th Street in New York City."

"In 1993, Ailes became president of the cable channel CNBC and began planning another NBC cable channel, America's Talking. The new channel debuted on July 4, 1994. Ailes also hosted his own nightly show, Straight Forward, an hour-long talk show."[19]

Fox News

"After the announcement of Microsoft and NBC's partnership to create an online and cable news outlet, MSNBC, taking the place of America's Talking, Ailes left the network in February 1996 and was hired by Rupert Murdoch to create Fox News Channel for News Corporation. In addition, eighty-nine additional employees of the NBC networks left with Ailes to help with the new channel's creation for launch, on October 7, 1996."


Holocaust insensitivity allegation

"In January 2011, an open letter printed in the Wall Street Journal on the UN-designated Holocaust Remembrance Day from 400 rabbis, including the leaders of all main branches of Judaism in the US, called on Rupert Murdoch, the chairman of News Corp, to sanction Fox News commentator Glenn Beck due to his use of the Holocaust to "discredit any individual or organization you disagree with." Ailes called executives of the public radio network NPR "Nazis" for sacking a news analyst, Juan Williams, after Williams had made remarks considered by NPR to be offensive. Ailes apologised to a Jewish group for using the expression, although not to NPR. An executive at Fox News rejected the letter, calling it the work of a "George Soros-backed leftwing political organisation." Ailes has also dismissed Jewish critics, referring to them as "left-wing rabbis."[25]

Obstruction of justice allegation

"In February 2011, The New York Times reported that documents filed in a lawsuit state that Ailes urged former employee and current publisher Judith Regan to lie to federal investigators regarding her affair with New York City police commissioner Bernard Kerik, nominated for Department of Homeland Security Secretary. According to the documents, Regan alleges that Ailes wanted her to lie to protect Rudolph Giuliani, who was in the early stages of a presidential campaign. The court documents also state that Regan taped one of the conversations between Ailes and herself, where Ailes discusses her relationship with Kerik."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Ailes
 
I hadn't thought of that

His absence in this matter is somewhat unusual isn't it? Won't there be hearings later on the handling of this incident and will he come forth and testify then?

As we all know, the timinig of the Libyan attack was very poor politically for anyone sitting in office. I know the timing of any hearings or public statements would not be helpful to any President (administration) whether they were Democrat or Republican.

I think from that perspective they are strategically holding out until after the election to really investigate and dig into what happened and in fairness I cannot blame them for trying to do that. The one weird factor is the media who seems content to allow that to happen. Usually they are rabid about things like this.
 
Will "they" investigate all of these too?

22 January 2002 – Calcutta, India – Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami gunmen attack Consulate – number of dead = 5

14 June 2002 – Karachi, Pakistan - al-Qaeda truck bomb detonates outside Consulate – number of dead = 12

28 February 2003 – Islamabad, Pakistan – Unknown gunmen attack Embassy – number of dead = 2

30 June 2004 – Tashkent, Uzbekistan – Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan suicide bomber attacks Embassy – number of dead = 2

12 December 2004 – Jeddah, Saudi Arabia – al-Qaeda gunman raid diplomatic compound – number of dead = 9

12 September 2006 - Demascuc, Syria - Gunmen raid US Embassy - number of dead = 4

18 March 2008 - Sana'a, Yemen - Mortar attack against US Embassy - number of dead = 2

9 July 2008 - Istanbul, Turkey -Armed attack against Consulate – number of dead = 6

17 September 2008 - Sana'a, Yemen (AGAIN) - Two car bombs outside US embassy in Yemeni capital - number of dead = 16

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_attacks_on_U.S._diplomatic_facilities
 
Of all the things justifying Congressional investigation, this half-assed excuse for a scandal doesn't even come close to making the list.
 
Scandal?

We lost lives at our embassy overseas. I don't suggest that it's a scandal but it does deserve a fair review and investigation. Do you feel the murder of those men and the attack on our embassy don't deserve a fair assessment and hearing? Why?

If you don't value them or their sacrifice what specifically are the other priority items you mentioned above that do merit an investigation and hearing?
 
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