Terrorism Methods

[Deleted member 21794]

True. The scenario I lay out here, though, could be done much more cheaply, with far fewer people, and a much higher death toll. In an open society like ours, there are vulnerabilities everywhere, and there's little you can do about most of them.

I would only add it could be done even cheaper going the home made route. While I would never commit such an act, I dare say it would be a very interesting project in chemistry and physics. Obviously, you were just putting one scenario out there and I am essentially piling on.

 

[Arkady]

Just not liberal policy which is usually like your set up here based on false information.

The point being is you think you can say anything fake and scare people into policy.

You may wish to consider the use of commas.

 

[marvin martian]

I fully accept that you can't control everything. Some bad crap is going to happen no matter what. But you can influence the odds.

Consider murder rates. In Japan, there are 0.31 murders for every 100,000 people. In the US, we have 5.3 -- 17 times the rate. Near the end of the sociologically catastrophic Reagan/Bush era, the US hit its all-time peak for violent crime, and murders were happening at a rate of 9.8/100k. In El Salvador, the murder rate is 108.64. Murder happens everywhere, but the risk can be altered.

As such, simply saying that shit happens, and scoffing at those who'd like to make things safer, is a cop out. Policy can make a huge difference.

Private ownership of firearms is severely restricted in El Salvador, by the way. Licensing, background checks, safety training, and registration are all mandatory. Just like you want here.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/el-salvador

 

[Arkady]

I would only add it could be done even cheaper going the home made route. While I would never commit such an act, I dare say it would be a very interesting project in chemistry and physics. Obviously, you were just putting one scenario out there and I am essentially piling on.

Agreed. When I was young, I was a bit of a pyro and I loved coming up with homemade bombs, thermite, etc. Even before widespread use of the Internet, all you needed was to download a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook from a BBS and you had plenty to get you started. I suspect that with a couple months of work and several thousand bucks, I could build an air cannon that would fairly consistently deliver 10-pound home-made explosives to explode on impact, enough of a distance away to carry out that attack..... assuming I didn't blow myself up in the process of figuring it out.

That's why what really puzzles me is how few highly deadly terrorists attacks there have been. Clearly there are a handful of people perfectly willing to kill lots of random strangers, and willing to risk certain or highly likely death to do so. Yet most of them pick stupid plans, thank goodness.

Take the Boston Marathon bombing as an example. Of all the Boston events you could have blown up at the time, that was one of the worst for the method they used, since the nature of the event strung people out along a thin line over the course of 26 miles. Even at the more densely-crowded finish line, there just wouldn't be that many people in a blast radius. Compare Boston's marathon finish line to a typical crowd on the Esplanade for the July 4th concert:

I guess we're lucky that most of those we're up against are idiots.

 

[Arkady]

Private ownership of firearms is severely restricted in El Salvador, by the way. Licensing, background checks, safety training, and registration are all mandatory. Just like you want here.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/el-salvador

Unfortunately, El Salvador was in a civil war for over a decade, during which time the country was awash in military firearms, many of which are still in circulation. Recently, those have been supplemented by new weapons trafficked mostly from the US:

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/el-salvador-arms-tracking-reveals-most-come-from-us

 

[Drumcollie]

Looks like the Russians don't make 60 mm, so you'd need to go with 50 mm or 82 mm for a similar effect, if you wanted Russian-made, but the details of the country of origin weren't the point. The point was simply that the world is awash in cheap mortars in roughly these sizes -- Poland, Iran, China, and Thailand all make or made 60 mm, as does the US and several of its allies, who in turn make them available abroad.

Yes as usual you have not really thought this through...The point was to scare people into going for your political ideology.

The results were poor and your explanation...meh.

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Agreed. When I was young, I was a bit of a pyro and I loved coming up with homemade bombs, thermite, etc. Even before widespread use of the Internet, all you needed was to download a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook from a BBS and you had plenty to get you started. I suspect that with a couple months of work and several thousand bucks, I could build an air cannon that would fairly consistently deliver 10-pound home-made explosives to explode on impact, enough of a distance away to carry out that attack..... assuming I didn't blow myself up in the process of figuring it out.

That's why what really puzzles me is how few highly deadly terrorists attacks there have been. Clearly there are a handful of people perfectly willing to kill lots of random strangers, and willing to risk certain or highly likely death to do so. Yet most of them pick stupid plans, thank goodness.

Take the Boston Marathon bombing as an example. Of all the Boston events you could have blown up at the time, that was one of the worst for the method they used, since the nature of the event strung people out along a thin line over the course of 26 miles. Even at the more densely-crowded finish line, there just wouldn't be that many people in a blast radius. Compare Boston's marathon finish line to a typical crowd on the Esplanade for the July 4th concert:

I guess we're lucky that most of those we're up against are idiots.

LOL... I think most of us went through our pyro stage as boys. Mine ended when I decided to find out if my Boy Scout flint and steel would ignite a pile of gun powder. It did. The skin on my fingers hanged off in ribbons and I blew all my facial hair off. I still think I got off easy.

Based on that experience, I think it is safe to say the mortar project would be well beyond my comfort zone.

But yeah, like many terrorists, the Boston bombers weren't very bright.

 

[Arkady]

The Russian white Supremacist says buy a Russian mortar:



The Russians do not make a 60mm Mortar...My suspect is you know not which you speak of, and obviously you are not IRA, so you have no experience and would not know how to operate one. Outside probably scares you anyway.

What you need is something lightweight, guaranteed to work because carrying a mortar that weighs 40 pounds plus is not your thing. That being said, because your white Supremacist behavior, you probably would have trouble carrying 40 pounds of weight for any distance.



1. No American made mortar (and the Russians do not make a 60mm) in a 60mm goes 2 miles and most are WWII weapons and again are about 40 lbs, and I cannot see you lily white supremacist ass carrying that thing for more than 15 feet.


2. There is no such thing as a 12mm mortar

3. Most mortars require a two man plus team, any solo fired mortar like the Japanese WWII Type 89 leg mortar is short range(120 meters)

Conclusion:

1. Our perpetrator of Fake, did not do a very smart job.

2. He did not research what he was talking about.

3. Pick up the phone call your mommy and she will tell you how smart you are again...but it's only 1200(that is a time reference) so this will only be the third call to mommy today, so far.

The QB or Passer rating:

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Again, the particular caliber or country making the mortar was not the point. The point was the availability of mortars that could be used for an attack of that type. Whether we're talking a 60 mm Chinese mortar, or a 82 mm Russian mortar, or a 50 mm Soviet mortar, the basic analysis is the same. Try to focus.

 

[marvin martian]

Unfortunately, El Salvador was in a civil war for over a decade, during which time the country was awash in military firearms, many of which are still in circulation. Recently, those have been supplemented by new weapons trafficked mostly from the US:

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-briefs/el-salvador-arms-tracking-reveals-most-come-from-us

So their restrictive gun laws aren't working? Imagine that...

 

[Arkady]

Yes as usual you have not really thought this through....

What makes you think that?

 

[Arkady]

LOL... I think most of us went through our pyro stage as boys. Mine ended when I decided to find out if my Boy Scout flint and steel would ignite a pile of gun powder. It did. The skin on my fingers hanged off in ribbons and I blew all my facial hair off. I still think I got off easy.

Mine ended when I tried to make a home-made confetti grenade by combining three m80s. I got the timing of the fuse wrong and am lucky I didn't blow out my eardrum or blind myself.

 

[Arkady]

So their restrictive gun laws aren't working? Imagine that...

Tough to say. What would their rate be without those laws?

 

[Drumcollie]

What makes you think that?

Because if you had you would have known that Russians did not have a 60mm Mortar and that there was no such thing as a 12 mm Mortar. How stupid do you have to be to not know this or at least to have done ten research to find out.

Make assertions with false information shows that you have not thought this through...But sane people know this. You did not.

 

[freyasman]

what could be cheaper than a one way airline ticket?

A gallon of gas and a book of matches.

 

[Drumcollie]

Again, the particular caliber or country making the mortar was not the point. The point was the availability of mortars that could be used for an attack of that type. Whether we're talking a 60 mm Chinese mortar, or a 81 mm Russian mortar, or a 50 mm Soviet mortar, the basic analysis is the same. Try to focus.

The Chinese do not have a 60 mm mortar and Russians do 82mm not 81mm. It tells us that you do not know what the "saladin2" you are talking about.

How about we talk about guys who suck c#ck in public and we use your name? the basic analysis would be the same...Try to focus.

The only other point you could make is that we wont tell you exactly what to buy, but just buy it and kill people and here is how and because there is no such thing as you have described we cannot hold you responsible...but you are not that sharp of a pencil and your lead is weak.

 

[Drumcollie]

But yeah, like many terrorists, the Boston bombers weren't very bright.

Do not Pick on Arkady's heroes...You know Arkady is Russian right?

I think he is between the quantum and the cosmos and soes not know where he is. Maybe just Wilkin's four corners.

Famous Russian journalist and TV host Arkady Mamontov is coming under fire after he made some shocking claims this week, placing the blame for last winter's Chelyabinsk meteorite on the country's lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) movement.

 

[Arkady]

Becaue if you had you would have known that Russians did not have a 60mm Mortar and that there was no such thing as a 12 mm Mortar.

As you now see, my argument has nothing to do with where a particular mortar will be sourced from. It has to do with the possibilities of such an attack -- whether we use a 120 mm Soviet surplus mortar, or a 60 mm Chinese mortar, or a 50 mm Russian-made mortar doesn't make a meaningful difference in assessing the feasibility of such an attack. The larger mortars will generally give you a larger blast range and firing range, but a lower rate of fire, as mentioned in my top post. But, whether we're talking twice the power on half the hits, or half the power on twice the hits, we're still talking about the ability to kill several thousand people from enough of a distance that you'd have a good chance of escaping before anything could be done about it. That was the point.

As for my reference to a 12 mm mortar, that was a typo and was clearly meant to be a reference to 120 mm, since that section referred to it correctly as 120 mm twice, before the typo, and it would make no sense to say that a 60 mm mortar has a range of up to 2.1 miles but a 12 mm has a range of up to 4.5 miles. If you look it up, you'll see the latter range is a correct figure for a 120 mm mortar:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soltam_K6

As you can see, I did, in fact, do my research, notwithstanding an obvious typo.

Now that we've moved passed your little game of "gotcha," hopefully we can focus on the substance of the argument, rather than playing typo police.

 

[Arkady]

The Chinese do not have a 60 mm mortar

Try researching before replying.

https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=178

 

[Drumcollie]

Try researching before replying.

https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=178

Like I said the Chinese do not have one that is copy just like the rifles, albeit an AK 47, good to copy simple and effective.

I am sure that people are not look for a 1935 Chinese copy of an American weapon, copied from the French for your kill everyone scenario.

You White Supremacy just makes you look stupid.

Btw did you find the 12 mm mortar yet?

You should really do your work before you try to "white supremacist" on people.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

As such, simply saying that shit happens, and scoffing at those who'd like to make things safer, is a cop out. Policy can make a huge difference.

And what policy would you implement that would stop your proposed terrorist scenario?

Come on Ark, buck up.

How would you make things safer. What sacrifices would you demand.