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gigi

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So this is the story of the 12 year old girl, Rebecca Sedwick, who committed suicide after being bullied relentlessly and terrorized (according to the local police) by two peers. The bullies' parents knew about the bullying and didn't take effective steps to stop their kids from tormenting this girl. One family still defends their daughter, while the other is very contrite and seems to really be grieving for their daughter's part in this tragedy.

Do you think that in cases like this, the guilty parties, if it can be shown that their bullying was excessive (as would be defined by legislation) should be charged with any crime?
Do you think parents who have been notified of their children's bullying antics but did not step in effectively should be held responsible in any way?
Yes, no, maybe....and why?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/justice/rebecca-sedwick-bullying-death-arrests/
 
I am of the opinion that it is a mistake to attempt to legislate broadly based upon an individual incident.

I don't know whether it was Internet messages that led this child to commit suicide, and I doubt that either the police or her parents know the answer to that question either. It is sad when anyone chooses to end their own life. I've known several people who have done this, and while I have my own suspicions regarding what motivated them to do such a thing, I understand that I can't really know beyond a reasonable doubt why they made that choice.
 
My parents got the concept of "kids will be kids". But...if I'd been caught doing something like what these internet girls were doing?.....I'd not be able sit down, lo these 45 years later.
 
NightSwimmer said:
I am of the opinion that it is a mistake to attempt to legislate broadly based upon an individual incident.

I don't know whether it was Internet messages that led this child to commit suicide, and I doubt that either the police or her parents know the answer to that question either. It is sad when anyone chooses to end their own life. I've known several people who have done this, and while I have my own suspicions regarding what motivated them to do such a thing, I understand that I can't really know beyond a reasonable doubt why they made that choice.
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Well said.

Legislation is the last thing we need more of.
 
I'm thinking that just like with any other form of harassment or assault, there ought to be legislation on limits, lines in the sand, etc....when it comes to what constitutes a campaign of harassment and attack. And this would apply whether a victim kills herself or not.
This is not the first case of a kid killing themselves and leaving reference to their acts being the result of constant harassment. I get what NS is saying, and I agree. Could be that a mental health condition or some other situation plays a role in suicide. Once the victim is gone, you can't ever be sure.

I'm not saying people should be charged with murder. I'm just thinking that there should be something somewhere so that people bent on making someone's life hell can be stopped, just like with physical harassment.
 
gigi said:
I'm thinking that just like with any other form of harassment or assault, there ought to be legislation on limits, lines in the sand, etc....when it comes to what constitutes a campaign of harassment and attack. And this would apply whether a victim kills herself or not.
This is not the first case of a kid killing themselves and leaving reference to their acts being the result of constant harassment. I get what NS is saying, and I agree. Could be that a mental health condition or some other situation plays a role in suicide. Once the victim is gone, you can't ever be sure.

I'm not saying people should be charged with murder. I'm just thinking that there should be something somewhere so that people bent on making someone's life hell can be stopped, just like with physical harassment.
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We have enough government. We have enough laws. What we need is personal responsibility and parenting.

Neither of which CAN be legislated.
 
"Yes IK I bullied REBECCA nd she killed her self but IDGAF,"

let the juvenile court intervene and order a psych eval and family therapy.....for her own good.
 
gigi said:
So this is the story of the 12 year old girl, Rebecca Sedwick, who committed suicide after being bullied relentlessly and terrorized (according to the local police) by two peers. The bullies' parents knew about the bullying and didn't take effective steps to stop their kids from tormenting this girl. One family still defends their daughter, while the other is very contrite and seems to really be grieving for their daughter's part in this tragedy.

Do you think that in cases like this, the guilty parties, if it can be shown that their bullying was excessive (as would be defined by legislation) should be charged with any crime?
Do you think parents who have been notified of their children's bullying antics but did not step in effectively should be held responsible in any way?
Yes, no, maybe....and why?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/justice/rebecca-sedwick-bullying-death-arrests/
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There was a recent case like this here and not for the first time.

I was thinking about this last night I think a forum or forums could be set up for children who are bullied on line since it is an online problem.

Non Governmental and for children to talk to each other as we do in here.
 
Not a lot of forgiveness going around these days...

Kids screw up sometimes. What you gonna do? Throw them all in jail?

We're damned sure working on it. We've even beat out the Chinese when it comes to locking our citizens up in cages. Not too shabby, eh? ;)
 
NightSwimmer said:
You apparently have far more faith in both psychiatrists and our justice system than do I. In your opinion, should every child who makes a rude and hateful remark be processed?

For their own "good"?
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she bullied, stalked, cyber-stalked and harassed another girl. that would be a crime (a misdemeanor?) for an adult. she's a child so she needn't be treated like an adult, but she can be processed thru the juvenile court system where she would be evaluated and recs made. yes, I do have faith in the juvenile system and mental health professionals who work with these teens and their families.
 
gigi said:
So this is the story of the 12 year old girl, Rebecca Sedwick, who committed suicide after being bullied relentlessly and terrorized (according to the local police) by two peers. The bullies' parents knew about the bullying and didn't take effective steps to stop their kids from tormenting this girl. One family still defends their daughter, while the other is very contrite and seems to really be grieving for their daughter's part in this tragedy.

Do you think that in cases like this, the guilty parties, if it can be shown that their bullying was excessive (as would be defined by legislation) should be charged with any crime?
Do you think parents who have been notified of their children's bullying antics but did not step in effectively should be held responsible in any way?
Yes, no, maybe....and why?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/justice/rebecca-sedwick-bullying-death-arrests/
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The girl should be punished severely. I do not believe the parents should , Unless of course they were complicit. Some of the worst kids have the best parents, and some of the worst parents have the best kids. At their age it is peer pressure that is affecting their behavior. I am sure even one of two of us did things that we didn't want our parents to know about. As I said if parents are complicit that is one thing , but most parents unfortunately don't have as much control of their kids ages.
 
JuliefromOhio said:
she bullied, stalked, cyber-stalked and harassed another girl. that would be a crime (a misdemeanor?) for an adult. she's a child so she needn't be treated like an adult, but she can be processed thru the juvenile court system where she would be evaluated and recs made. yes, I do have faith in the juvenile system and mental health professionals who work with these teens and their families.
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Almost every kid I've seen get involved in the juvenile court system wound up as a career criminal. Maybe that was their fate prior to getting involved -- maybe not. I don't share your faith.
 
It depends if there was a history in which their children were bullying this girl, and the parents were made aware of it at that time. If so then I think they should be held accountable due to their lack of intervention.
 
NightSwimmer said:
Almost every kid I've seen get involved in the juvenile court system wound up as a career criminal. Maybe that was their fate prior to getting involved -- maybe not. I don't share your faith.
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perhaps you're thinking of kids who were engaged in criminal activity i.e. delinquents. my experience has been with dependent, neglected kids.
all I'm saying is the police are involved already so they're going to have to pass this on to children services/juvenile court. this teen girl's behavior is troublesome and the first thing the juvenile court would do is order a psych eval and make recs.
 
gigi said:
So this is the story of the 12 year old girl, Rebecca Sedwick, who committed suicide after being bullied relentlessly and terrorized (according to the local police) by two peers. The bullies' parents knew about the bullying and didn't take effective steps to stop their kids from tormenting this girl. One family still defends their daughter, while the other is very contrite and seems to really be grieving for their daughter's part in this tragedy.

Do you think that in cases like this, the guilty parties, if it can be shown that their bullying was excessive (as would be defined by legislation) should be charged with any crime?
Do you think parents who have been notified of their children's bullying antics but did not step in effectively should be held responsible in any way?
Yes, no, maybe....and why?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/justice/rebecca-sedwick-bullying-death-arrests/
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From what I saw in the news today the apple (those bullying) doesn't fall far from the tree. The step mom of one of the bullying girls is in trouble for abusing children under her care. LINK

I made a post last night of a piece by Dr Keith Ablow suggesting that the word "bullying" be replaced with "assault" or "psychological assault" and treated as a crime. I am moving toward full support of that.
 
Hummingbirdlvr3 said:
It depends if there was a history in which their children were bullying this girl, and the parents were made aware of it at that time. If so then I think they should be held accountable due to their lack of intervention.
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Then they would be complicit. I don't think any parents would encourage their kids to pick on an innocent victim.
 
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