Bugsy McGurk
President
You’re thinking “the working man” would benefit by economic catastrophe? I gotta disagree with your “thinking” there.
Union busting?
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oh..well...no. but, back to quashing union efforts to obtain fair benefits
Bugsy McGurk
President
no. but continue to distract... did you mean your expressed concern?
Bugsy McGurk
President
Nope. I meant what I said.
you meant that i think the working man would benefit from economic catastrophe? I think the working man should not. is that what you disagreed with me...there?
RickWA
Snagglesooth
Nah. They must achieve iron-fisted power as a party…then they can (and will) ram down their marxist collectivism. It is evident across the myriad Trojan Horse causes they posit as “central” and then bail on as soon as a conflict with POWER emerges. Every single time.
EatTheRich
President
If that were true they would increase their power by mobilizing the working class in a fight to take state control (as every Marxist party seeking power does). It is clear that for the Democrats power is a means to the end of serving the ruling capitalists.
RickWA
Snagglesooth
Nope. The way it works is that an established avenue or distribution channel is activated (by self-important morons) and begins consolidating power by pretending to care about assorted, disparate groups…fraudulently posing as steward of their cause(s) and interest(s). If and when those cause(s) and interest(s) come into conflict with the ongoing consolidation of power, those cause(s) (Trojan Horses) are kicked to the curb…because POWER is the thing.
I know you know this as commie yourself.
Have a nice day.
EatTheRich
President
The basic principle of Marxism is the seizure of power by the working class on its own behalf. Seeking power for a bourgeois political party has nothing to do with Marxism.
RickWA
Snagglesooth
Ahem, of you haven’t gathered the gist yet, fraudulent, bogus claims are the Trojan Horse. There is no “principle” other than power and control of others. Yep.
EatTheRich
President
That’s not Marxism. That’s political opportunism, which reflects a capitalist material base and capitalist-derived morality and is antithetical to the principles and practice of Marxism.
Joe said in 2020 he was the Pro-Union president if elected
'He's not stepping up': Union workers feel let down by 'pro-union' Joe Biden amid rail dispute (msn.com)
SUCKAS
'He's not stepping up': Union workers feel let down by 'pro-union' Joe Biden amid rail dispute (msn.com)
SUCKAS
RickWA
Snagglesooth
Ok…so it is EVERY application of marxism in human history. But it is somehow not characteristic of marxism. Roger that.
EatTheRich
President
But that’s not true at all. Trotsky for example had the opportunity to take power for himself by using the Red Army to dislodge Stalin, but chose not to because to do so he’d have to rule in an even more counterrevolutionary fashion than Stalin did. So he did the Marxist thing and resisted Stalin’s anti-Marxist course only by methods that empowered the working class.
Zam-Zam
Senator
It sounds as if Congress aims to give the President what he wants:
Aiming to avert a Dec. 9 railroad work stoppage estimated to cost the economy $2 billion a day, House and Senate leaders of both parties promised to pass legislation soon that would enact the White House’s rail union agreement that is opposed by most rail union workers.
According to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer, the chamber will take up the legislation as soon as 9 a.m. Wednesday. The measure would put in place the most recent tentative agreement by the Presidential Emergency Board in September.
Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said they intend to pass the legislation “as quickly as possible.”
Complete text: Congress poised to pass resolution to avoid rail strike - Roll Call
But beware of the Bernie block:
Some progressives, like Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., have come out against the tentative agreement. Sanders said in a tweet Tuesday evening that he would try to prevent a vote on the resolution.
“At a time of record profits in the rail industry, it’s unacceptable that rail workers have ZERO guaranteed paid sick days,” he wrote on Twitter. “It’s my intention to block consideration of the rail legislation until a roll call vote occurs on guaranteeing 7 paid sick days to rail workers in America.”
Biden vs. Bernie...Enjoy the show.
Aiming to avert a Dec. 9 railroad work stoppage estimated to cost the economy $2 billion a day, House and Senate leaders of both parties promised to pass legislation soon that would enact the White House’s rail union agreement that is opposed by most rail union workers.
According to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer, the chamber will take up the legislation as soon as 9 a.m. Wednesday. The measure would put in place the most recent tentative agreement by the Presidential Emergency Board in September.
Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said they intend to pass the legislation “as quickly as possible.”
Complete text: Congress poised to pass resolution to avoid rail strike - Roll Call
But beware of the Bernie block:
Some progressives, like Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., have come out against the tentative agreement. Sanders said in a tweet Tuesday evening that he would try to prevent a vote on the resolution.
“At a time of record profits in the rail industry, it’s unacceptable that rail workers have ZERO guaranteed paid sick days,” he wrote on Twitter. “It’s my intention to block consideration of the rail legislation until a roll call vote occurs on guaranteeing 7 paid sick days to rail workers in America.”
Biden vs. Bernie...Enjoy the show.
RickWA
Snagglesooth
Now you’re trying to cite marxists not toppling other marxists as evidence that marxists don’t seek power. :-/
EatTheRich
President
I have never denied that Marxists sought power … for the working class. My point was that Trotsky could not, without abandoning Marxism, topple Stalin, a renegade from Marxism, at the working class’s expense.
RickWA
Snagglesooth
Political entities seek power. That’s what they do. In the case of Democrats, they pretend to have foundational causes and principles such as women’s rights and gay rights…while they uniquely make overtures to the planet’s worst abusers and butchers of those groups (like Iran). Democrats claim to be advocates of the working man…while they seek to codify and compel and overrule union member-driven verdicts/choices. The examples are innumerable. Professed causes of Democrats are mere Trojan Horse and are repeatedly, readily jettisoned when consolidation of power, influence, and rulership is potentially at risk. Ownership…power is the principle - and nothing else. One is defined by that which he is willing to sell out for and sacrifice. Once firmly entrenched, they then cut loose with the cockeyed collectivism and debasement.
Or…as the complicit puppet buttboys would say…Democrats merely “evolve” after they are elected. Never mind that this “evolution” occurs mere weeks and months following attaining power.
EatTheRich
President
Right. And that puts Democrats on the other side of an unbridgeable gulf from Marxists.
