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Meaningful comparisons among cities are difficult, because of the way borders are drawn. The tendency is for older, eastern, and coastal cities to have official borders drawn tightly around an urban core, while younger, western, and inland cities have wider borders that include non-urban areas. This means a comparison between two seemingly cities, in terms of population, may actually be comparing a big city to a small city plus a lot of surrounding areas.

For example, Boston and Oklahoma City have similar populations, if you rely on official borders. In Boston, you could walk from the city's center to its border in under an hour, yet across those borders it would look like a continuation of the same big city, just with a name change (e.g., Cambridge). Oklahoma City covers a footprint well over 12 times the size of Boston. It would take you three or four hours to walk from the city center to the official border, by which time you'd have passed through the suburbs and might find yourself in rural farmland. So, when you compare stats of official Boston to official OK City, you're really comparing a very big urban core, on one hand, to a small city plus its surrounding suburbs and exurbs, on the other.

That same issue pops up repeatedly. Newark, New Jersey and Anchorage, Alaska each have a little under 300,000 residents, but Newark has a land area of 24 square miles, while Anchorage has one of 1700 square miles. Again, any comparison would be between a huge inner city, on the one hand, and, on the other, a mixed area consisting of a small city, some suburbs, and vast stretches of rural settlement. Anchorage includes land so rural that the "city" is home to around 400 bears and its very own glacier.

So, how can one do a meaningful statistical comparison between, say, DC (land area of 61 miles), and Houston (land area 634 square miles)? Fortunately the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports have a solution. They report based on metropolitan statistical areas. MSAs ignore the official boundaries of a city and instead draw the line based on actual settlement patterns. Generally, this means lumping multiple smaller cities together, sometimes across state lines, into a single MSA. It's closer to what you'd see as the city if you looked down from a satellite without knowing where the artificial borders are. So, for example, Kansas City, MO and Kansas City, KS are treated as a single unit.

Using that standard, here are all the MSAs with populations over two million, from lowest murder rate to highest:

Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH M.S.A. 2.1
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI M.S.A. 2.2
Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA M.S.A. 2.4
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA M.S.A. 2.9
San Diego-Carlsbad, CA M.S.A. 3.4
Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN M.S.A. 3.5
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV M.S.A. 3.6
New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA M.S.A. 3.8
Sacramento--Roseville--Arden-Arcade, CA M.S.A. 3.8
Denver-Aurora-Lakewood, CO M.S.A. 3.9
Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL M.S.A. 3.9
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX M.S.A. 4.1
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA M.S.A. 4.1
Pittsburgh, PA M.S.A. 4.2
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA M.S.A. 5
Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL M.S.A. 5
San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX M.S.A. 5.1
Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ M.S.A. 5.3
Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX M.S.A. 5.7
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, GA M.S.A. 6.1
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, FL M.S.A. 6.3
San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward, CA M.S.A. 6.5
Chicago-Naperville-Elgin, IL-IN-WI M.S.A. 7.1
St. Louis, MO-IL M.S.A. 7.3
Kansas City, MO-KS M.S.A. 7.7
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD M.S.A. 8.6
Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD M.S.A. 9.5
Detroit-Warren-Dearborn, MI M.S.A. 10.9

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...rime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/6tabledatadecpdf

There are still big differences there between the best and the worst (you're over five times as likely to be murdered in the Detroit MSA than the Boston MSA). But, clearly that's much smaller than the difference between the worst and best of the big cities, where one may be twenty times worse than another due mostly to how borders are drawn.
 
so to sum up -

"the hood" has a sky high murder rate. but we can mask that by extending the borders to include areas outside the beltway, which are mostly white.

nice!
 
so to sum up -

"the hood" has a sky high murder rate. but we can mask that by extending the borders to include areas outside the beltway, which are mostly white.

nice!
No. You misunderstood completely. "The hood" nearly always has higher murder rates than surrounding areas. So, to do a meaningful comparison, you can't compare just the hood, in one case, to the hood plus a whole bunch of surrounding areas, in the other case. That's just what we're doing when we compare based on the arbitrary lines on a map that define a city. You compare just "the hood," in the case of Newark, to "the hood" of Anchorage, plus the burbs, plus rural areas. It's a meaningless comparison.

I'd like to be able to compare just "the hood" in each case, but I don't have that data -- I'm not sure it's even collected. So, I'll settle for comparing the entire MSA, in each case, so that we're roping in the same urbanized and semi-urbanized population footprint, regardless of where arbitrary borders happen to fall.
 
No. You misunderstood completely. "The hood" nearly always has higher murder rates than surrounding areas. So, to do a meaningful comparison, you can't compare just the hood, in one case, to the hood plus a whole bunch of surrounding areas, in the other case. That's just what we're doing when we compare based on the arbitrary lines on a map that define a city. You compare just "the hood," in the case of Newark, to "the hood" of Anchorage, plus the burbs, plus rural areas. It's a meaningless comparison.

I'd like to be able to compare just "the hood" in each case, but I don't have that data -- I'm not sure it's even collected. So, I'll settle for comparing the entire MSA, in each case, so that we're roping in the same urbanized and semi-urbanized population footprint, regardless of where arbitrary borders happen to fall.


"I'd like to be able to compare just "the hood" in each case, but I don't have that data -- I'm not sure it's even collected."

And why might THAT be you think? What might there be about "the hood" that people wouldn't want to talk about when you come up with comparisons for damned near any other groups of people, places and times?
 
Meaningful comparisons among cities are difficult, because of the way borders are drawn. The tendency is for older, eastern, and coastal cities to have official borders drawn tightly around an urban core, while younger, western, and inland cities have wider borders that include non-urban areas. This means a comparison between two seemingly cities, in terms of population, may actually be comparing a big city to a small city plus a lot of surrounding areas.

For example, Boston and Oklahoma City have similar populations, if you rely on official borders. In Boston, you could walk from the city's center to its border in under an hour, yet across those borders it would look like a continuation of the same big city, just with a name change (e.g., Cambridge). Oklahoma City covers a footprint well over 12 times the size of Boston. It would take you three or four hours to walk from the city center to the official border, by which time you'd have passed through the suburbs and might find yourself in rural farmland. So, when you compare stats of official Boston to official OK City, you're really comparing a very big urban core, on one hand, to a small city plus its surrounding suburbs and exurbs, on the other.

That same issue pops up repeatedly. Newark, New Jersey and Anchorage, Alaska each have a little under 300,000 residents, but Newark has a land area of 24 square miles, while Anchorage has one of 1700 square miles. Again, any comparison would be between a huge inner city, on the one hand, and, on the other, a mixed area consisting of a small city, some suburbs, and vast stretches of rural settlement. Anchorage includes land so rural that the "city" is home to around 400 bears and its very own glacier.

So, how can one do a meaningful statistical comparison between, say, DC (land area of 61 miles), and Houston (land area 634 square miles)? Fortunately the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports have a solution. They report based on metropolitan statistical areas. MSAs ignore the official boundaries of a city and instead draw the line based on actual settlement patterns. Generally, this means lumping multiple smaller cities together, sometimes across state lines, into a single MSA. It's closer to what you'd see as the city if you looked down from a satellite without knowing where the artificial borders are. So, for example, Kansas City, MO and Kansas City, KS are treated as a single unit.

Using that standard, here are all the MSAs with populations over two million, from lowest murder rate to highest:

Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH M.S.A. 2.1
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI M.S.A. 2.2
Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA M.S.A. 2.4
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA M.S.A. 2.9
San Diego-Carlsbad, CA M.S.A. 3.4
Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN M.S.A. 3.5
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV M.S.A. 3.6
New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA M.S.A. 3.8
Sacramento--Roseville--Arden-Arcade, CA M.S.A. 3.8
Denver-Aurora-Lakewood, CO M.S.A. 3.9
Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL M.S.A. 3.9
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX M.S.A. 4.1
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA M.S.A. 4.1
Pittsburgh, PA M.S.A. 4.2
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA M.S.A. 5
Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL M.S.A. 5
San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX M.S.A. 5.1
Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ M.S.A. 5.3
Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX M.S.A. 5.7
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, GA M.S.A. 6.1
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, FL M.S.A. 6.3
San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward, CA M.S.A. 6.5
Chicago-Naperville-Elgin, IL-IN-WI M.S.A. 7.1
St. Louis, MO-IL M.S.A. 7.3
Kansas City, MO-KS M.S.A. 7.7
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD M.S.A. 8.6
Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD M.S.A. 9.5
Detroit-Warren-Dearborn, MI M.S.A. 10.9

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...rime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/6tabledatadecpdf

There are still big differences there between the best and the worst (you're over five times as likely to be murdered in the Detroit MSA than the Boston MSA). But, clearly that's much smaller than the difference between the worst and best of the big cities, where one may be twenty times worse than another due mostly to how borders are drawn.

Interesting post..... I did a quick check. 25% of Boston is black.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=percentage+of+boston+that+is+black+people

83% of Detroit is black.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=percentage+of+detroit+that+is+black+people

Blacks have a much higher violent crime rate than other races. Is it coincidence there is such a demographic difference in the lowest big city crime rate versus the highest?

I'll let the individual reader decide.
 
"I'd like to be able to compare just "the hood" in each case, but I don't have that data -- I'm not sure it's even collected."

And why might THAT be you think? What might there be about "the hood" that people wouldn't want to talk about when you come up with comparisons for damned near any other groups of people, places and times?
the hood is a no go zone. especially if it's Detroit or Chicago.

get police OUT of their patrol cars, and back on foot patrol in our most crime ridden neighbor hoods.

nobody is going to sell drugs on a street corner, or rob the quickee mart, if there's a cop within a block.
 
Boston has one of the Highest forcible rapes numbers in the nation,...in fact the crime rate index in Boston is almost double New York city

What you can be sure of is that if democrtics be running the city...the crime rate is bad.
 
nobody is going to sell drugs on a street corner, or rob the quickee mart, if there's a cop within a block.
Never been to Newark, huh? I have and know others who have. I really wish that what you said were so.

Still, having cops on foot patrol is a good idea. If there were enough beat cops, it would make a real difference in some places. There's not enough money for enough beat cops, though, because so much is spent on gubmint freebies for the ones selling drugs and robbing markets and driving away the people who pay taxes. Incarcerating some of them, too, though that pretty much amounts to gubmint provided shelter, food, and healthcare for a short while.
 
"I'd like to be able to compare just "the hood" in each case, but I don't have that data -- I'm not sure it's even collected."

And why might THAT be you think?
Presumably because agencies are not set up on neighborhood bases, so that although the data starts out broken out by neighborhood, by the time it get reported it has been aggregated based on cities, counties, and states. The FBI can then piece it together to get data that covers multiple cities, but it can't break it down in a way that only reports on a sub-section of a city.
 
Never been to Newark, huh? I have and know others who have. I really wish that what you said were so.

Still, having cops on foot patrol is a good idea. If there were enough beat cops, it would make a real difference in some places. There's not enough money for enough beat cops, though, because so much is spent on gubmint freebies for the ones selling drugs and robbing markets and driving away the people who pay taxes. Incarcerating some of them, too, though that pretty much amounts to gubmint provided shelter, food, and healthcare for a short while.

I would make the prison system self-supporting to address that issue.
 
Murder rate by city:

The countdown for the Top 30 Murder Capitals of America:


Rank
City

30 Chicago Heights, IL

29 Baton Rouge, LA

28 Buffalo, NY

27 Hattiesburg, MS

26 East Chicago, IN

25 Birmingham, AL

24 Desert Hot Springs, CA

23 Compton, CA

22 Myrtle Beach, SC

21 Fort Pierce, FL

20 Harvey, IL

19 Bridgeton, NJ

18 Flint, MI

17 Rocky Mount, NC

16 Pine Bluff, AR

15 Petersburg, VA

14 Newark, NJ

13 Baltimore, MD

12 Harrisburg, PA

11 Jackson, MS

10 Wilmington, DE

9 Trenton, NJ

8 Riviera Beach, FL

7 New Orleans, LA

6 Camden, NJ

5 Detroit, MI

4 Gary, IN

3 St. Louis, MO

2 Chester, PA

1 East St. Louis, IL

Our crime research reveals the 30 cities in America with the highest number of murders per 1,000 residents. Murder is the willful (non-negligent) killing of one human being by another. We limited our research to cities with 25,000 or more people. Data used for this research are 1) the number of murders reported to the FBI to have occurred in each city, and 2) the population of each city.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/top-lists/highest-murder-rate-cities/


Very straight-forward and easy to comprehend. No long-winded explanation required.
 
Is it coincidence there is such a demographic difference in the lowest big city crime rate versus the highest?

No, I don't think it's a coincidence. I've explained what I think is the mechanism for this correlation before.

In some areas (e.g., New England, Scandinavia), the lower class mostly looks like the ruling class. This makes it easier for the ruling class to feel empathy for the lower class. They don't look at poor people and see something like a completely different species, to be feared and loathed. Instead, they think "there but for the grace of God go I." This inspires more liberal approaches to the problems of the lower class.

For example, in more liberal areas there's a focus on integration (e.g., affordable housing programs that rely on promoting mixed-income development), rather than a focus on segregation (e.g., affordable housing programs that rely on large, centralized "projects" for the poor... projects that devolve into slums). When the ruling class sees the lower class as people just like them, albeit with less money, you get fewer gated communities, less flight of the wealthy from urban centers, less of a reliance on economically/racially segregated private schools, less resistance to integrated low-income development, etc. And social programs get focused more on providing a hand up, rather than being built around a suspicion that "those people" are just lazy folks looking for an excuse not to work. There's also more of a focus on early intervention to prevent violence, rather than on just arming the majority population so it can "take out" the bad guys, and throwing as many lawbreakers behind bars for long periods as possible.

Thus, when, thanks to historical factors, the underclass is mostly black (or Hispanic) while the ruling class is mostly non-Hispanic white, the alienation of the underclass from the ruling class tends to produce a bunch of ineffectual or counter-productive policies. In Boston (or Munich, for that matter), that's somewhat less of an issue, since there are so many non-Hispanic whites in the lower class that it allows for a more empathetic (and thus more successful) approach to public policy. When a society's leaders see its lower class as decent people who can thrive with a little help, that is going to work a lot better than when they see the lower class as "animals" who need to be isolated and intimidated to keep them from hurting the decent people.
 
Meaningful comparisons among cities are difficult, because of the way borders are drawn. The tendency is for older, eastern, and coastal cities to have official borders drawn tightly around an urban core, while younger, western, and inland cities have wider borders that include non-urban areas. This means a comparison between two seemingly cities, in terms of population, may actually be comparing a big city to a small city plus a lot of surrounding areas.

For example, Boston and Oklahoma City have similar populations, if you rely on official borders. In Boston, you could walk from the city's center to its border in under an hour, yet across those borders it would look like a continuation of the same big city, just with a name change (e.g., Cambridge). Oklahoma City covers a footprint well over 12 times the size of Boston. It would take you three or four hours to walk from the city center to the official border, by which time you'd have passed through the suburbs and might find yourself in rural farmland. So, when you compare stats of official Boston to official OK City, you're really comparing a very big urban core, on one hand, to a small city plus its surrounding suburbs and exurbs, on the other.

That same issue pops up repeatedly. Newark, New Jersey and Anchorage, Alaska each have a little under 300,000 residents, but Newark has a land area of 24 square miles, while Anchorage has one of 1700 square miles. Again, any comparison would be between a huge inner city, on the one hand, and, on the other, a mixed area consisting of a small city, some suburbs, and vast stretches of rural settlement. Anchorage includes land so rural that the "city" is home to around 400 bears and its very own glacier.

So, how can one do a meaningful statistical comparison between, say, DC (land area of 61 miles), and Houston (land area 634 square miles)? Fortunately the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports have a solution. They report based on metropolitan statistical areas. MSAs ignore the official boundaries of a city and instead draw the line based on actual settlement patterns. Generally, this means lumping multiple smaller cities together, sometimes across state lines, into a single MSA. It's closer to what you'd see as the city if you looked down from a satellite without knowing where the artificial borders are. So, for example, Kansas City, MO and Kansas City, KS are treated as a single unit.

Using that standard, here are all the MSAs with populations over two million, from lowest murder rate to highest:

Boston-Cambridge-Newton, MA-NH M.S.A. 2.1
Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI M.S.A. 2.2
Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA M.S.A. 2.4
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA M.S.A. 2.9
San Diego-Carlsbad, CA M.S.A. 3.4
Cincinnati, OH-KY-IN M.S.A. 3.5
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV M.S.A. 3.6
New York-Newark-Jersey City, NY-NJ-PA M.S.A. 3.8
Sacramento--Roseville--Arden-Arcade, CA M.S.A. 3.8
Denver-Aurora-Lakewood, CO M.S.A. 3.9
Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL M.S.A. 3.9
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX M.S.A. 4.1
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA M.S.A. 4.1
Pittsburgh, PA M.S.A. 4.2
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim, CA M.S.A. 5
Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL M.S.A. 5
San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX M.S.A. 5.1
Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ M.S.A. 5.3
Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land, TX M.S.A. 5.7
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, GA M.S.A. 6.1
Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, FL M.S.A. 6.3
San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward, CA M.S.A. 6.5
Chicago-Naperville-Elgin, IL-IN-WI M.S.A. 7.1
St. Louis, MO-IL M.S.A. 7.3
Kansas City, MO-KS M.S.A. 7.7
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD M.S.A. 8.6
Baltimore-Columbia-Towson, MD M.S.A. 9.5
Detroit-Warren-Dearborn, MI M.S.A. 10.9

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...rime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/6tabledatadecpdf

There are still big differences there between the best and the worst (you're over five times as likely to be murdered in the Detroit MSA than the Boston MSA). But, clearly that's much smaller than the difference between the worst and best of the big cities, where one may be twenty times worse than another due mostly to how borders are drawn.


Let's take the bottom ten, the real shitholes of America:

Houston - mayor Sylvester Turner, Democrat
Atlanta - mayor Kasim Reed, Democrat
Miami - mayor Tomas Regalado, Republican
San Francisco - mayor Ed Lee, Democrat
Chicago - mayor Rahm Emanuel, Democrat
St. Louis - mayor Francis Slay, Democrat
Kansas City - mayor Sly James, Independent (but is a DNC superdelegate)
Philadelphia - mayor Jim Kenney, Democrat
Baltimore - mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, Democrat
Detroit - mayor Mike Duggan, Democrat

Looks about right to me.
 
the hood is a no go zone. especially if it's Detroit or Chicago.

get police OUT of their patrol cars, and back on foot patrol in our most crime ridden neighbor hoods.

nobody is going to sell drugs on a street corner, or rob the quickee mart, if there's a cop within a block.
I think that's one thing that made a difference in the Clinton years. Violent crime rates had reached their all-time peak near the end of the failed Reagan/Bush era, but then fell incredibly rapidly once Clinton took office. Although the improvement has continued since Clinton left office, it's been at a greatly diminished rate (especially in the Bush years). I think the part of the reason is that Clinton helped push through a measure that put a lot more cops on the street. There's this idea people have that deterrence is best accomplished with draconian penalties, but people's minds don't really work like that. They factor in the probability of being caught vastly more than the consequences if they are caught. Put a lot more cops on the street and you are going to have a bigger deterrent effect than locking up ever greater numbers. I think that was the real key to the 1994 crime bill. It's been bashed by some liberals based on the way incarceration rates rose after 1994. But the truth is they rose at a lower rate than before 1994. The extra incarceration wasn't the magic. The magic was 100,000 more community police officers.
 
Murder rate by city:

The countdown for the Top 30 Murder Capitals of America:


Rank
City

30 Chicago Heights, IL

29 Baton Rouge, LA

28 Buffalo, NY

27 Hattiesburg, MS

26 East Chicago, IN

25 Birmingham, AL

24 Desert Hot Springs, CA

23 Compton, CA

22 Myrtle Beach, SC

21 Fort Pierce, FL

20 Harvey, IL

19 Bridgeton, NJ

18 Flint, MI

17 Rocky Mount, NC

16 Pine Bluff, AR

15 Petersburg, VA

14 Newark, NJ

13 Baltimore, MD

12 Harrisburg, PA

11 Jackson, MS

10 Wilmington, DE

9 Trenton, NJ

8 Riviera Beach, FL

7 New Orleans, LA

6 Camden, NJ

5 Detroit, MI

4 Gary, IN

3 St. Louis, MO

2 Chester, PA

1 East St. Louis, IL

Our crime research reveals the 30 cities in America with the highest number of murders per 1,000 residents. Murder is the willful (non-negligent) killing of one human being by another. We limited our research to cities with 25,000 or more people. Data used for this research are 1) the number of murders reported to the FBI to have occurred in each city, and 2) the population of each city.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/top-lists/highest-murder-rate-cities/


Very straight-forward and easy to comprehend. No long-winded explanation required.


As for most violent cities in the U.S., the list is as follows:

Rank City Violent crimes per 100,000 people
1 Detroit, MI 1,988.63
2 Memphis, TN 1,740.51
3 Oakland, CA 1,685.39
4 St. Louis, MO 1,678.73
5 Milwaukee, WI 1,476.41
6 Baltimore, MD 1,338.54
7 Cleveland, OH 1,334.35
8 Stockton, CA 1,331.47
9 Indianapolis, IN 1,254.66
10 Kansas City, KS 1,251.45
11 Buffalo, NY 1,228.24
12 Atlanta, GA 1,227.43
13 Washington, DC 1,185.32
14 Nashville, TN 1,122.45
15 Toledo, OH 1,091.23
16 Newark, NJ 1,077.71
17 Miami, FL 1,059.96
18 Philadelphia, PA 1,021.45
19 Minneapolis, MN 1,011.96
20 Houston, TX 991.38
21 New Orleans, LA 973.88
22 Cincinnati, OH 905.36
23 Orlando, FL 901.13
24 Chicago, IL 884.29
25 Albuquerque, NM 882.85
26 St. Petersburg, FL 864.93
27 Anchorage, AK 864.57
28 Las Vegas, NV 841.07
29 Tulsa, OK 805.14
30 Pittsburgh, PA 798.08



http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-united-states.html
 
I think that's one thing that made a difference in the Clinton years. Violent crime rates had reached their all-time peak near the end of the failed Reagan/Bush era, but then fell incredibly rapidly once Clinton took office. Although the improvement has continued since Clinton left office, it's been at a greatly diminished rate (especially in the Bush years). I think the part of the reason is that Clinton helped push through a measure that put a lot more cops on the street. There's this idea people have that deterrence is best accomplished with draconian penalties, but people's minds don't really work like that. They factor in the probability of being caught vastly more than the consequences if they are caught. Put a lot more cops on the street and you are going to have a bigger deterrent effect than locking up ever greater numbers. I think that was the real key to the 1994 crime bill. It's been bashed by some liberals based on the way incarceration rates rose after 1994. But the truth is they rose at a lower rate than before 1994. The extra incarceration wasn't the magic. The magic was 100,000 more community police officers.

There were big increases in legal gun ownership during the Clinton years (not as big as the massive increases of the Obama years, of course) which corresponded to a drop in gun homicides, as one would expect when more Americans are legally armed.

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No. You misunderstood completely. "The hood" nearly always has higher murder rates than surrounding areas. So, to do a meaningful comparison, you can't compare just the hood, in one case, to the hood plus a whole bunch of surrounding areas, in the other case. That's just what we're doing when we compare based on the arbitrary lines on a map that define a city. You compare just "the hood," in the case of Newark, to "the hood" of Anchorage, plus the burbs, plus rural areas. It's a meaningless comparison.

I'd like to be able to compare just "the hood" in each case, but I don't have that data -- I'm not sure it's even collected. So, I'll settle for comparing the entire MSA, in each case, so that we're roping in the same urbanized and semi-urbanized population footprint, regardless of where arbitrary borders happen to fall.



"you misunderstood completely"

LOL!

population density has no correlation?

LOL!
 
He says that every time he gets his ass kicked (which is frequently).

hell!

you can write his responses in advanced the're so scripted!

"facts dont fit my narrative? move not only the goalposts, but all the boundaries also!

after all,,"lie, cheat, steal or kill,,,no limits, the ends justifies the means"
[prog playbook page 3 section 2b, paragragh 5...]
 
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