Voter ID and voting

[Bernard_Fokke]

You for it or against it? I for one am for it, you vote you show some valid ID, period end of story. No ID no vote.

Of course if we did that then the political machines wouldn't be able to stuff the ballot boxes either. Probably won't happen

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1.8 million
Deceased Americans whose voter registration remains active

2.75 million
People registered in more than one state

68,725
Voters registered in three states

1,807
Voters registered in more than three states

51 million
Americans who are eligible to vote, but are not registered

12 million
People registered under addresses that are old or have errors severe enough that mailings are unlikely to reach them

24 million
Voter registrations that are inaccurate or no longer valid — nearly 13 percent of the names currently on voter rolls nationwide

76
Percentage of eligible adults who are registered to vote in the U.S.


http://theweek.com/article/index/224453/americas-zombie-voter-problem-by-the-numbers

 

[Proud Progressive]

If I were a conservative , I would put as many obstacles in the way of poor and and working class people voting as possible.

 

[OldGaffer]

If I were a conservative , I would put as many obstacles in the way of poor and and working class people voting as possible.

Yes, and bring back poll taxes and literacy tests as soon as possible, in fact put in a requiremnt that you be a white male property owner.

 

[Bernard_Fokke]

OK the hundred bucks is an obstacle and was inflammatory, but every one these days has identification of some sort don't they. If a police officer stops you what happens when you have no ID?

If they don't have identification they should. I just fail to see the reasoning behind your statement other that parmesian rhetoric.

 

[Zebulon]

I live in Alabama. The ONLY documented cases of voter fraud in my state are from absentee ballots. The Republican controlled congress used these examples as justification to pass their own voter ID laws here in my state.

The question shouldn't be if we should implement these laws, but why these laws are being passed all across the country now?

Surely it doesn't have anything to do with the black man in the White House does it?

 

[ya-ta-hey]

I live in Alabama. The ONLY documented cases of voter fraud in my state are from absentee ballots. The Republican controlled congress used these examples as justification to pass their own voter ID laws here in my state.

The question shouldn't be if we should implement these laws, but why these laws are being passed all across the country now?

Surely it doesn't have anything to do with the black man in the White House does it?

Mr. Z,

Did you not read the top post? If you don't have the means to detect voter fraud, then of course, there won't be many documented instances of it.

 

[Zebulon]

Ok. So did you not read my post? WHY, all of a sudden does it become an issue NOW?

 

[connieb]

I honestly don't see what the big deal is. I need ID to cash a check. I need ID to go to the Dr. I need ID to get into many federal and municipal buildings in this country. If the issue is that it is cost prohibitive, and it may well be. I don't know... then by all means make it free to get a state issued ID card.

connie

 

[anti.reptile]

The poor don't contribute to society much. In fact just the opposite when you consider crime rates, public assistance, etc. Maybe they should not get to vote if they can't come up with an ID

 

[888888]

If I were a conservative , I would put as many obstacles in the way of poor and and working class people voting as possible.

They are!!!!!!!!!!!!
Voter mistakes are the biggest problem, signing on the wrong line
Voter Fraud = .0001 1/10,000 register voters.
if your state has 20 million voters, that would amount to 2,000 votes.
Why would you go that route when you can just sell the voting machines like the right does and rig them as the right has done in the past.

Have the post office send a change of address to the city's voter office.
Have the SS office send a notice of death to the city of last record.
Have anyone who has not voted in 3 major elections automatically removed.
In the day and age of computers it's not a problem.

The biggest problem we have are from old people who move to a warm state for part of the year sometimes and register in two states. They don't vote in two states, they vote in the wrong state maybe, but not vote in two states.



No problem with dead people voting/ unless you count the brain dead republicans who push this crap.

 

[888888]

The poor don't contribute to society much. In fact just the opposite when you consider crime rates, public assistance, etc. Maybe they should not get to vote if they can't come up with an ID

Who would think someone on the right hasn't thought this as they try to make it clear where they stand.

 

[888888]

http://library.thinkquest.org/J0112391/the_right_to_vote.htm

Not much has changed, except they are going after the poor whites also.

 

[Union_Jack_1972]

You for it or against it? I for one am for it, you vote you show some valid ID, period end of story. No ID no vote.

Of course if we did that then the political machines wouldn't be able to stuff the ballot boxes either. Probably won't happen

***********

1.8 million
Deceased Americans whose voter registration remains active

2.75 million
People registered in more than one state

68,725
Voters registered in three states

1,807
Voters registered in more than three states

51 million
Americans who are eligible to vote, but are not registered

12 million
People registered under addresses that are old or have errors severe enough that mailings are unlikely to reach them

24 million
Voter registrations that are inaccurate or no longer valid — nearly 13 percent of the names currently on voter rolls nationwide

76
Percentage of eligible adults who are registered to vote in the U.S.


http://theweek.com/article/index/224453/americas-zombie-voter-problem-by-the-numbers

I am for it and do not understand the fringe left objection to it.

In Texas you must carry a form ID so if stopped and question police can run your name throught the database, so why not present one while voting?

To cash a check you need two forms of ID,one photo issued by the government, and a credit or debit card or BC because they usually do not take a social security card for some damn reason, and yet we can not request ID to vote?

The argumen from the left seem weak, and playin' the racial card is also weak. Also I know some illegals that have gotten their DL from the State of California because of a legal loophole during the 90's that require those visiting the states obtain a non-working Social Security number so they could obtain a California DL...

What I mean about non-working mean they could not use the card for employment and was only for to obtain a California DL and nothing more, but it did not stop them using it for work, and in fact the U.S. Government deducts taxes from them.

Back to the point I see no real issue except the left or right wanting to sneak a few voters in that shouldn't be voting...

 

[Cerulean Mutt]

Cool by me, as long as there is no cost associated with obtaining the required ID if you don't already have one. Can't be having a poll tax now can we?

 

[Dino]

Maybe you don't get it... the Dems can't stand for honesty in elections or acts of social responsibility unless the government fully funds it. And then, there'll be some other issue with it.

 

[Bernard_Fokke]

The poor don't contribute to society much. In fact just the opposite when you consider crime rates, public assistance, etc. Maybe they should not get to vote if they can't come up with an ID

No every living citizen should be able to vote, even the poorest of the poor anything else is unacceptable. I've never seen the problem with having to prove you are who you claim to be for voting or other issues. Picture ID cards should be provided free, again for citizens.

 

[Bernard_Fokke]

Got proof? Or are you just spouting your usual Liberal BS?

 

[kgswiger]

OK the hundred bucks is an obstacle and was inflammatory, but every one these days has identification of some sort don't they. If a police officer stops you what happens when you have no ID?

If they don't have identification they should. I just fail to see the reasoning behind your statement other that parmesian rhetoric.

It depends on why they stopped you. If they aren't stopping you with at least a reasonable suspicion that you've committed a crime, or are about to, then you don't have to identify yourself. Even when you do have to identify yourself, you don't necessarily have to provide ID.

A lot of people don't have ID. Homeless people, as one example. (It gets stolen. So requiring someone who doesn't have enough money for a room in a cheap flophouse to shell out money for a photo id every couple of months is a bad idea.)

An easy, cheap, and foolproof way to cut down on voter fraud is to mark the voter's thumb with an indelible, neon dye. If your thumb is already marked, sorry, you don't get to vote.

 

[kgswiger]

I honestly don't see what the big deal is. I need ID to cash a check. I need ID to go to the Dr. I need ID to get into many federal and municipal buildings in this country. If the issue is that it is cost prohibitive, and it may well be. I don't know... then by all means make it free to get a state issued ID card.

connie

It's the bank requiring ID for cashing the check, not the government.

It's the Dr. requiring ID, or the insurance company, not the government.

Prior to 9/11, you didn't need any ID to enter a government building. You still don't, for a lot of them. Are we equating people who want to vote without photo id to terrorists?

If we do require a photo id, I'd agree it should be provided free of charge.

 

[kgswiger]

Maybe you don't get it... the Dems can't stand for honesty in elections or acts of social responsibility unless the government fully funds it. And then, there'll be some other issue with it.

Thanks, man. That is the funniest damned thing I've read all say. The idea that the GOP gives a rat's [Unwelcome language removed] for honesty in elections. :rotfl: