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When women lie

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https://www.history.com/topics/great-depression/scottsboro-boys
In the first set of trials in April 1931, an all-white, all-male jury quickly convicted the Scottsboro Boys and sentenced eight of them to death.

The trial of the youngest, 13-year-old Leroy Wright, ended in a hung jury when one juror favored life imprisonment rather than death. A mistrial was declared, and Leroy Wright would remain in prison until 1937 awaiting the final verdict on his co-defendants.

At this point, the International Labor Defense (ILD), the legal wing of the American Communist Party, took on the boys’ case, seeing its potential to galvanize public opinion against racism. That June, the court granted the boys a stay of execution pending an appeal to the Alabama Supreme Court.

The ILD spearheaded a national campaign to help free the nine young men, including rallies, speeches, parades and demonstrations, and letters streamed in from people—Communists and non-Communists, white and black—protesting the guilty verdicts.

But in March 1932, the Alabama Supreme Court upheld the convictions of seven of the defendants; it granted Williams a new trial, as he was a minor at the time of his conviction.

POWELL V. ALABAMA
In November 1932, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Powell v. Alabama that the Scottsboro defendants had been denied the right to counsel, which violated their right to due process under the 14th Amendment.

The Supreme Court overturned the Alabama verdicts, setting an important legal precedent for enforcing the right of African Americans to adequate counsel, and remanded the cases to the lower courts.

NAACP) and other civil rights groups joined the ILD that year to form the Scottsboro Defense Committee, which reorganized the defense effort for the next set of retrials.

Early in 1936, Patterson was convicted for a fourth time, but sentenced to 75 years in prison. The day after the verdict, Ozie Powell was shot in the head after attacking a deputy sheriff with a knife; both men survived.

After the Alabama Supreme Court upheld Patterson’s conviction in June, and Norris’s third trial ended in another death sentence, Andy Wright and Weems were both convicted of rape and long prison sentences as well.

Through negotiations with the defense, prosecutors agreed to drop rape charges against Powell, but he was convicted of assaulting the deputy sheriff and sentenced to 20 years.

They also dropped rape charges against the four remaining defendants—Montgomery, Roberson, Williams and Leroy Wright—and all four were released. Alabama Governor Bibb Graves commuted Norris’ sentence to life imprisonment in 1938, and denied pardon applications by all five convicted defendants that same year.

SCOTTSBORO BOYS LEGACY
Alabama officials eventually agreed to let four of the convicted Scottsboro Boys—Weems, Andy Wright, Norris and Powell—out on parole.

After escaping from prison in 1948, Patterson was picked up in Detroit by the FBI, but the Michigan governor refused Alabama’s efforts to extradite him. Convicted of manslaughter after a barroom brawl in 1951, Patterson died of cancer in 1952.

Harper Lee reportedly drew on the boys’ experience when she wrote her classic novel To Kill A Mockingbird, and over the years the case has inspired numerous other books, songs, feature films, documentaries and even a Broadway musical.

Clarence Norris, who received a pardon from Governor George Wallace of Alabama in 1976, would outlive all of the other Scottsboro Boys, dying in 2009 at the age of 76.

In 2013, the Alabama Board of Pardons and Paroles voted unanimously to issue posthumous pardons to Patterson, Weems and Andy Wright, bringing a long-overdue end to one of the most notorious cases of racial injustice in U.S. history.

Sources
Daren Salter, Scottsboro Trials, Encyclopedia of Alabama.
Scottsboro: An American Tragedy, PBS.
History, Scottsboro Boys Museum and Cultural Center.
Alan Blinder, “Alabama Pardons 3 ‘Scottsboro Boys’ After 80 Years,” New York Times, November 21, 2013.
 
There are hundreds if not more of such stories .Women who lie - who then later are found to have lied, or recant on their own... The damage is irreversible.

Just last year in a neighboring county a girl lied about a violent rape at her high school. The boys were arrested. They were illegals, so it was good PR for those against illegals and the problems they cause by being forced to warehouse them in our schools until they finally age out. And it was supposedly violent and brutal, inclusing forced sodomy.

And she recanted after evidence came out of texts between her and the boys coordinating the time and place to hook up.

Why did she lie? What was her motivation? No one got caught doing anything - no one knew about it except them. She went home that day and told her mother she had been raped, and it went from there...... People lie for all sorts of reasons. Maybe the boys dissed her afterwards. Generally men don't think too highly of a girl willing to give it up any which way with them an a friend.. not exactly the kind of girl you wanna take home to momma. So, they probably used her and tossed her. But who knows.. regardless, she lied.

Then there are also plenty of cases where a victim was legitimately raped. And then they ID the attacker and the identification is wrong. Either because they are pressured, they are unsure, they are shown the person, the person resembles their attacker, or they merely never got a really good look at the attacker. Sometimes they are drunk and incapacitated and get legitimately confused about who it was. There are thousands of such cases with defendants being exonerated by DNA evidence as we speak. Thank god for that.
 
I guess we should just always assume women are lying unless there’s video evidence.

Just to be safe.
 
I guess we should just always assume women are lying unless there’s video evidence.

Just to be safe.

I don't think video evidence is required.

However when anyone makes any accusation, we should treat it with skepticism and defer to innocent until proven guilty. We should not let our emotional reaction - disgust of the crime - overpower our adherence to due process.
 
I don't think video evidence is required.

However when anyone makes any accusation, we should treat it with skepticism and defer to innocent until proven guilty. We should not let our emotional reaction - disgust of the crime - overpower our adherence to due process.

Innocent until proven guilty still applies to criminal charges. It’s a pretty silly and convenient argument to suggest applying it to the court of public opinion.
 
Innocent until proven guilty still applies to criminal charges. It’s a pretty silly and convenient argument to suggest applying it to the court of public opinion.

Ridiculous. The court of pubic opinion often has longer and more devastating consequences than a court of law. To not use it in ALL our considerations is a violation of the basic sense of fairness and order that our entire society relies upon.
 
Ridiculous. The court of pubic opinion often has longer and more devastating consequences than a court of law. To not use it in ALL our considerations is a violation of the basic sense of fairness and order that our entire society relies upon.

LOL

I’m sure you apply the same standard to all the allegations people levy against the Clintons too, right?
 
LOL

I’m sure you apply the same standard to all the allegations people levy against the Clintons too, right?

What do politicians have to do with this? We are talking about individuals. When it comes to allegations of a personal nature - things they do on their own time as private citizens - Politicians should also be innocent until proven guilty. I don't go around calling Bill Clinton a rapist - even though he has credible allegations of that. I don't go around calling him a sexual abuser, even though he actually settled a lawsuit over it. I don't say that Keith Ellison is a woman beater or call the people who support him violence apologists.
 
What do politicians have to do with this? We are talking about individuals. When it comes to allegations of a personal nature - things they do on their own time as private citizens - Politicians should also be innocent until proven guilty. I don't go around calling Bill Clinton a rapist - even though he has credible allegations of that. I don't go around calling him a sexual abuser, even though he actually settled a lawsuit over it. I don't say that Keith Ellison is a woman beater or call the people who support him violence apologists.
If you shout, "EMAILS!" or "BENGHAZI!" in a crowd full of right-wingers there is no presumption of innocence on the Clinton's.
 
If you shout, "EMAILS!" or "BENGHAZI!" in a crowd full of right-wingers there is no presumption of innocence on the Clinton's.
There is substantial evidence that both Clinton and Obama lied about the details of the Benghazi incident. The attack was not prompted by the video, as first alleged by the administration and continued to be pushed for several weeks after. Clinton lied straight-faced about it to the parents of the men who were killed in the attack.
There was ready and willing help to go to the rescue that was ordered to stand down. Clinton may or may not have ordered the stand-down but it had to have been done with either her knowledge or Obama's, or both.

James Comey made a solid case for prosecuting Clinton for careless transfer of classified material on her personal server and for perjuring herself before congress. But then refused to carry through with the prosecution. She is still answerable to the American people for her crimes, and owes us time in jail for the shit she has done..
 
So what? uncorroborated allegations still destroyed their lives.

False allegations are different than criticism of acts taken in their official capacity.

Coming to a conclusion based on publicly available evidence concerning a specific official act, is not a false allegation.
 
There is substantial evidence that both Clinton and Obama lied about the details of the Benghazi incident. The attack was not prompted by the video, as first alleged by the administration and continued to be pushed for several weeks after. Clinton lied straight-faced about it to the parents of the men who were killed in the attack.
There was ready and willing help to go to the rescue that was ordered to stand down. Clinton may or may not have ordered the stand-down but it had to have been done with either her knowledge or Obama's, or both.
Well that's a lot of uncorroborated allegations
. She is still answerable to the American people for her crimes, and owes us time in jail for the shit she has done..


Followed by a call for mob justice.
 
False allegations are different than criticism of acts taken in their official capacity.
In doesn't matter the capacity. You still need corroborating evidence. None of which right-wingers had on Clinton
Coming to a conclusion based on publicly available evidence concerning a specific official act, is not a false allegation.
And based on the evidence I have I concluded Kavannaugh committed sexual assault.
 
Well that's a lot of uncorroborated allegations


American people for her crimes
Followed by a call for mob justice.[/QUOTE]
No it's not. The evidence that Comey confirmed was from the FBI investigation. The stupid SOB was dumb enough to make a case against her and then not prosecute her.
 
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