Fascism, communism....two sides of the same coinThanks for cooperating.
Fascism, communism....two sides of the same coinThanks for cooperating.
Now you're getting to smart for your pants.Thanks for cooperating.
More of the "they're all alike" stuff...Now you're getting to smart for your pants.
Right wingers are sometimes known for their brazen, yet awkward responses.
I'll let you slide this time.
Like liberals?More of the "they're all alike" stuff...
Now that's awkward.
Is that what you think?Like liberals?
Egoism is prevalent among the right wing.Is that what you think?
I prefer evaluating people one at a time.
But, hey, thanks for all the bumps.
Keep digging. Never mind the hole.Egoism is prevalent among the right wing.
Just sayin...
Right. And the violation of long-standing communist principle that was forced collectivization was made politically necessary by the retreat from land redistribution and the worker-peasant alliance that typified communism.Baloney. Forced collectivization under the guise of productive socialism... Killed millions
Yes … the big-business side, and the labor side. The coin of course being the future that will be ruled by one or the other.Fascism, communism....two sides of the same coin
oh. no. it was forced collectivization...by starvation, murder, etc.Right. And the violation of long-standing communist principle that was forced collectivization was made politically necessary by the retreat from land redistribution and the worker-peasant alliance that typified communism.
Yes. Made politically necessary by the prior attempt to retreat from building socialism … as Lenin and Trotsky (the leading communist leaders of the era) warned would be the case when they staked their political futures on opposition to Stalin’s anti-communist course (made possible by the anticommunist pressure from the Soviet Union’s enemies).oh. no. it was forced collectivization...by starvation, murder, etc.
No.Yes. Made politically necessary by the prior attempt to retreat from building socialism … as Lenin and Trotsky (the leading communist leaders of the era) warned would be the case when they staked their political futures on opposition to Stalin’s anti-communist course (made possible by the anticommunist pressure from the Soviet Union’s enemies).
Yes. Politics is always about class struggle. And when the bureaucratic caste empowered by communism’s weakness in the USSR drove a wedge between the workers and peasants in order to win political power for themselves at the workers’ expense, they set up a future where they would have to turn on the peasants in order to lean on the support of the workers.
Unless of course the peasants were the workers. Which they wereYes. Politics is always about class struggle. And when the bureaucratic caste empowered by communism’s weakness in the USSR drove a wedge between the workers and peasants in order to win political power for themselves at the workers’ expense, they set up a future where they would have to turn on the peasants in order to lean on the support of the workers.
Peasants aren’t proletarians because they own private property.Unless of course the peasants were the workers. Which they were
Sure they are. Was what they produced taken from them, or were they remunerated for their work?Peasants aren’t proletarians because they own private property.
What determines social class is relationship to the means of production. Peasants produced for personal subsistence, for market sale, and for taxes/requisitions by the state and by private armies in variable proportions before and after the revolution.Sure they are. Was what they produced taken from them, or were they remunerated for their work?
Under Stalin peasants were forced to engage in forced collectivization... Not for personal subsistence, but with no subsistence, considering millions of them start to death. And it was not in variable proportions.. their production was taken nearly in its entirety. Hence the starvationWhat determines social class is relationship to the means of production. Peasants produced for personal subsistence, for market sale, and for taxes/requisitions by the state and by private armies in variable proportions before and after the revolution.
Yes, probably at least as much as you have over the years. And posted much about it too. I agree entirely with everything you say here. What you fail to acknowledge is that that was not the work of the working-class revolution but that of the bureaucratic white-collar professionals’ counterrevolution clawing back against the workers’ gains.Under Stalin peasants were forced to engage in forced collectivization... Not for personal subsistence, but with no subsistence, considering millions of them start to death. And it was not in variable proportions.. their production was taken nearly in its entirety. Hence the starvation
Did you read about the holodomor yet...
Every time communism fails (which is every time), communists do their level best to blame everything except communism.Yes, probably at least as much as you have over the years. And posted much about it too. I agree entirely with everything you say here. What you fail to acknowledge is that that was not the work of the working-class revolution but that of the bureaucratic white-collar professionals’ counterrevolution clawing back against the workers’ gains.