Why sould we, as the left insists we do...

[Raoul_Luke]

Emphasize immigration from countries with rich cultural traditions of repression and violence? So their children can grow up to kill our children? Maybe if we had shit for brains that would make sense. Whether it's middle eastern ones that exhibit strong tendencies toward misogyny and child abuse, or central and south american ones that have out of control gang and organized crime problems, the left insists we open ourselves up to immigrants from these countries, who bring with them the social ills predominant in their homelands. That is idiotic!

A sane immigration policy would limit (or even exclude) immigrants from those countries while opening our gates to asian, european, australian and canadian immigrants. You know, the ones who are most like us, hard working, law abiding education emphasizing Americans?

The only reasons I can think of to support the left's immigration stance is if you are:

a) Seeking to increase support for their Marxist policy agenda;

b) Seeking to destroy us from within;

c) Seeking to subject us to increasing violence to punish us for being predominantly wealthy and white.

Or maybe it's all of the above?

 

[connieb]

Emphasize immigration from countries with rich cultural traditions of repression and violence? So their children can grow up to kill our children? Maybe if we had shit for brains that would make sense. Whether it's middle eastern ones that exhibit strong tendencies toward misogyny and child abuse, or central and south american ones that have out of control gang and organized crime problems, the left insists we open ourselves up to immigrants from these countries, who bring with them the social ills predominant in their homelands. That is idiotic!

A sane immigration policy would limit (or even exclude) immigrants from those countries while opening our gates to asian, european, australian and canadian immigrants. You know, the ones who are most like us, hard working, law abiding education emphasizing Americans?

The only reasons I can think of to support the left's immigration stance is if you are:

a) Seeking to increase support for their Marxist policy agenda;

b) Seeking to destroy us from within;

c) Seeking to subject us to increasing violence to punish us for being predominantly wealthy and white.

Or maybe it's all of the above?

I think with the left its all of the above. Additionally, Leftists thrive on chaos, that is why they start shit up wherever they are and wherever there are a lot of them it is always a shit show. Its like they can't actually cope when things are calm and stable and steady. Whenever confronted with that - they throw fits. Its why they go into a town, that they have never heard of to throw a fit over the town's religious display even though the rest of the people were perfectly happy and comfortable with it. I think it comes from self hate and misery loves company. They aren't happy unless everyone is unhappy. Because they feed off of chaos.

 

[EatTheRich]

Your "a" and "b" are both good reasons.

But how about the fact these (repression, violence, misogyny, crime) are global problems that exist whether they are occurring in Mexico or in the U.S. ... and contrary to your scapegoating, they aren't the fault of the people who are their victims so much as the international U.S.-dominated social system that gives rise to them. Giving workers a chance to "vote with their feet" to repudiate them strengthens our fight. Bringing them to the heart of the power structure gives them more leverage to end the global system that is the source of the misery you mention. And here in the U.S. the infrastructure (economic, political, and social) is on the whole better equipped to endure these challenges until the time comes when we are able to strike at their capitalist roots.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

Your "a" and "b" are both good reasons.

But how about the fact these (repression, violence, misogyny, crime) are global problems that exist whether they are occurring in Mexico or in the U.S. ... and contrary to your scapegoating, they aren't the fault of the people who are their victims so much as the international U.S.-dominated social system that gives rise to them. Giving workers a chance to "vote with their feet" to repudiate them strengthens our fight. Bringing them to the heart of the power structure gives them more leverage to end the global system that is the source of the misery you mention. And here in the U.S. the infrastructure (economic, political, and social) is on the whole better equipped to endure these challenges until the time comes when we are able to strike at their capitalist roots.

Nice try, but the fact is that crime, violence, misogyny and child abuse are more accepted as "normal" behavior in certain cultures. Which just happen to be the cultures of immigrants the left has embraced. It's not our job to save the world from their cultural failings. If those "voting with their feet" to come here were exhibiting high assimilation levels, and seeking to be more like us, than you might have a point. But they really aren't being asked to by the "multi-cultural" religion of the left.

 

[Craig]

Nice try, but the fact is that crime, violence, misogyny and child abuse are more accepted as "normal" behavior in certain cultures.

And we are one of those cultures...

 

[georgephillip]

Emphasize immigration from countries with rich cultural traditions of repression and violence? So their children can grow up to kill our children? Maybe if we had shit for brains that would make sense. Whether it's middle eastern ones that exhibit strong tendencies toward misogyny and child abuse, or central and south american ones that have out of control gang and organized crime problems, the left insists we open ourselves up to immigrants from these countries, who bring with them the social ills predominant in their homelands. That is idiotic!

What about the idiocy behind the $ource of Muslim rage toward the U$?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq#Security.2C_looting_and_war_damage

"Security, looting and war damage[edit]

"Massive looting took place in the days following the 2003 invasion.[232] According to U.S. officials, the 'reality of the situation on the ground' was that hospitals, water plants, and ministries with vital intelligence needed security more than other sites. There were only enough U.S. troops on the ground to guard a certain number of the many sites that ideally needed protection, and so, apparently, some 'hard choices' were made.

"It was reported that the National Museum of Iraq was among the looted sites.

"The FBI was soon called into Iraq to track down the stolen items.

"It was found that the initial allegations of looting of substantial portions of the collection were heavily exaggerated. Initial reports asserted a near-total looting of the museum, estimated at upwards of 170,000 inventory lots, or about 501,000 pieces. The more recent estimate places the number of stolen pieces at around 15,000, and about 10,000 of them probably were taken in an "inside job" before U.S. troops arrived, according to Bogdanos. Over 5,000 looted items have since been recovered.[233]

"An assertion that U.S. forces did not guard the museum because they were guarding the Ministry of Oil and Ministry of Interior is disputed by investigator Colonel Matthew Bogdanos in his 2005 book Thieves of Baghdad. Bogdanos notes that the Ministry of Oil building was bombed, but the museum complex, which took some fire, was not bombed. He also writes that Saddam Hussein's troops set up sniper's nests inside and on top of the museum, and nevertheless U.S. Marines and soldiers stayed close enough to prevent wholesale looting.

"More serious for the post-war state of Iraq was the looting of cached weaponry and ordnance which fueled the subsequent insurgency. As many as 250,000 tons of explosives were unaccounted for by October 2004.[234] Disputes within the US Defense Department led to delays in the post-invasion assessment and protection of Iraqi nuclear facilities. Tuwaitha, the Iraqi site most scrutinized by UN inspectors since 1991, was left unguarded and was looted."

 

[Raoul_Luke]

And we are one of those cultures...

Is that why the left feels we should be punished by having our children raped and murdered?

 

[Craig]

Is that why the left feels we should be punished by having our children raped and murdered?

You require help.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

You require help.

The idea that simply because we have these problems in some measure that we shouldn't consider whether the cultures of the immigrants we are inviting in have them in higher measures is absurd.

 

[Craig]

The idea that simply because we have these problems in some measure that we shouldn't consider whether the cultures of the immigrants we are inviting in have them in higher measures is absurd.

So is your top post.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

So is your top post.

Look, we all know you would respond the same way to the parent of one of those kids killed in Manchester this week who argued 25 years ago against letting in the parents of the bomber. That's all we need to know to completely disregard your position on this now.

 

[Craig]

Look, we all know you would respond the same way to the parent of one of those kids killed in Manchester this week who argued 25 years ago against letting in the parents of the bomber. That's all we need to know to completely disregard your position on this now.

Chill the metaphysical certitude fantasy.

You know diddley squat...and you show it by saying the left wants children raped.

You've become a snowflake seeking some bullshit "safety"...What the hell happened to you?

 

[EatTheRich]

The idea that simply because we have these problems in some measure that we shouldn't consider whether the cultures of the immigrants we are inviting in have them in higher measures is absurd.

The U.S. exports these problems. Afghanistan, for example, was a peaceful, cosmopolitan place with a progressive, feminist government before the U.S. got involved.

 

[Raoul_Luke]

The U.S. exports these problems. Afghanistan, for example, was a peaceful, cosmopolitan place with a progressive, feminist government before the U.S. got involved.

So, as I suggested, the progressives are in fact pushing us to open our doors to immigrants who are coming here (in large measure) to rape and murder us, to punish us for our sins. Thanks for confirming that for me...

 

[georgephillip]

So, as I suggested, the progressives are in fact pushing us to open our doors to immigrants who are coming here (in large measure) to rape and murder us, to punish us for our sins. Thanks for confirming that for me...

"Refugees Entering the U.S. Already
Face a Rigorous Vetting Process

By HAEYOUN PARK and LARRY BUCHANAN JAN. 29, 2017

"President Trump has suspended entry of all refugees to the United States for 120 days, and he has barred Syrian refugees indefinitely. The current screening process for all refugees involves many layers of security checks before entry into the country, and Syrians were subject to an additional layer of checks. Sometimes, the process, shown below, takes up to two years."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/29/us/refugee-vetting-process.html?_r=0

I hope we could all agree on the need to end the bipartisan economic incentives that have created the greatest refugee flow since the end of WWII?