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WTF?! A new NAFTA? How the hell?

sensible don said:
Real Simple ;

NAFTA - job killing , horrible legislation

Trump Nafta 2.0 - Greatest trade deal EVER! That still has to be voted on and goes into effect around 2020
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Labor unions, specifically, didn't care much for Bill Clinton's NAFTA:

https://aflcio.org/2017/11/30/what-union-activists-really-think-about-nafta-and-trade


Labor unions seem to think the USMCA, or "New NAFTA", might be better:

https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threa...tions-much-stronger-than-nafta-or-tpp.220230/


Make of it what you will.
 
Zam-Zam said:
Every quoted source is accompanied by a corresponding link so that the reader is invited to read the text in its entirety. Every.....one.

I don't believe I quoted the President at all. Fell free to prove me wrong on that if I did.

In light of these facts, I can't find much merit in your argument. Perhaps you will do better in the future.
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perhaps if you were actually paying attention to all of the facts and not just those that make trump look good you'd do better.
 
middleview said:
perhaps if you were actually paying attention to all of the facts and not just those that make trump look good you'd do better.
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Take it up with the NY Times, Washington Post, Politico, etc. I posted links to those sites so that people could read those articles in their entirety and decide for themselves. If you're against that, fine and dandy, but that seems to be a fair way of going about it.

If you think the USMCA is terrible, I'm fine with that. Not everyone is going to see it the same way. I do not, however, that you have yet to refute a single point I've made here, other than to say you don't like it much.

If you have an actual argument, based on facts and reason, I'm quite open to hearing it. If it's just more of the same, then not-so-much.
 
Zam-Zam said:
Most people will have no difficulty comprehending that if you make the labor costs across the board more completive, that's a good thing for American workers. You might not get it, but the American Labor Unions get it.

Look, I get it- You hate Trump so this has to be bad. If he had done exactly the opposite of what he did here, you would insist that was bad. It's okay - It's not your fault. You're just another victim of TDS - A lot of it going around.

If you want to insist higher wages is now a bad thing, you are welcome to that position. You can own it now.

Have a wonderful day.
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I find it funny that the very same people who tantrumed and insisted that there was NO WAY a minimum wage increase by statute was NOT going to affect the sales price to the consumer...

Are now the very same idiots screaming that increasing the rates paid to labor - is going to make something cost more.

You can't make this crap up. Seriously.

Yes, when your costs of doing business go up - so does the cost the the consumer. The difference of course, is when it goes up organically on its own, in response to market conditions, it is not disruptive and its adaptable. It spreads out througout the market place and the changes are incrimental and mostly negligible. When it goes up because someone said you paid the same idiot $5 less yesterday than you have to pay him today it is disruptive and much harder to adapt to because the change is not near universal.
 
sear said:
Do you have a rational reason for this? Are you aware that gene-swapping occurs naturally? GMO merely compresses the time scale, and filters out the dead-ends.

There are many examples. But GMO reduces food prices. And GMO reduces terrible human afflictions such as blindness. Many 3rd world children lose eyesight for lack of pennies worth of vitamin A. GMO enables native crops (such as rice) to have enough vitamin A to spare them this needless impairment. GMO is a modern miracle.
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Good. We could do with a few less democrats.
 
connieb said:
I find it funny that the very same people who tantrumed and insisted that there was NO WAY a minimum wage increase by statute was NOT going to affect the sales price to the consumer...

Are now the very same idiots screaming that increasing the rates paid to labor - is going to make something cost more.

You can't make this crap up. Seriously.

Yes, when your costs of doing business go up - so does the cost the the consumer. The difference of course, is when it goes up organically on its own, in response to market conditions, it is not disruptive and its adaptable. It spreads out througout the market place and the changes are incrimental and mostly negligible. When it goes up because someone said you paid the same idiot $5 less yesterday than you have to pay him today it is disruptive and much harder to adapt to because the change is not near universal.
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It would appear that for some, their core principles are quite flexible....:>)
 
Zam-Zam said:
Take it up with the NY Times, Washington Post, Politico, etc. I posted links to those sites so that people could read those articles in their entirety and decide for themselves. If you're against that, fine and dandy, but that seems to be a fair way of going about it.

If you think the USMCA is terrible, I'm fine with that. Not everyone is going to see it the same way. I do not, however, that you have yet to refute a single point I've made here, other than to say you don't like it much.

If you have an actual argument, based on facts and reason, I'm quite open to hearing it. If it's just more of the same, then not-so-much.
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The actual argument was that the wonderful impact the treaty will have on farmers amounted to about $500 million per year...total. That is a fact. Trump feeds you shit and you continue to lap it up and claim it is the best shit you've ever had.
 
middleview said:
The actual argument was that the wonderful impact the treaty will have on farmers amounted to about $500 million per year...total. That is a fact. Trump feeds you shit and you continue to lap it up and claim it is the best shit you've ever had.
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President Trump has said nothing to me.....My information came from the news services listed above.

So, obviously, you are mistaken.
 
Zam-Zam said:
Are you thinking the news services dutifully prints the news without vetting it?

Shame on them if they do.
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The numbers I quoted from the very same media you quoted. The first stories were more more likely to quote the White House's optimistic projections than later ones.
 
middleview said:
The numbers I quoted from the very same media you quoted. The first stories were more more likely to quote the White House's optimistic projections than later ones.
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So, in your view, the WaPo and the NY Times are not to be trusted.

Got it.
 
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