Yet another mass murder

[middleview]

That's a lie.

If you can't be honest, that would indicate the weakness of your position.

We disagree. I'm comfortable with that. I have no desire to change your mind,

It's all good.

I've asked for your solution. What is it?

 

[Zam-Zam]

I've asked for your solution. What is it?

I gave it to you.

We must begin by addressing human behavior. It is a process.

 

[Zam-Zam]

The guy had already had a conviction for a gun crime. Where did he buy this one? The seller should be charged as an accomplice.

This:

Michigan State Shooter Had Prior Felony Gun Charge Dismissed By Progressive Prosecutor

Ingham County prosecutor Carol Siemon ended mandatory sentencing for felony firearm charges in the name of ‘race equity'


A gunman who killed three and wounded five others at Michigan State University on Monday would have been barred from owning a firearm at the time of the shooting had he not had felony gun charges dismissed by a progressive prosecutor.

Anthony McRae was charged in June 2019 with illegally carrying a concealed handgun without a permit, but later had those charges dismissed by the office of Ingham County district attorney Carol Siemon (D.). Her office instead let McRae plead guilty to a lesser misdemeanor gun charge, and he served a little more than a year on probation, which ended May 2021. He initially faced up to five years in prison for the felony charge, the Detroit News reported.

Siemon retired from the district attorney’s office at the start of this year after facing criticism from judges and law enforcement officials for her soft-on-crime policies. The same year that McRae was released, Ingham County sheriff Scott Wriggelsworth pushed East Lansing’s city council "to reconsider her internal felony firearm charging policy," which he said "does not hold people properly criminally accountable, and increases the likelihood of additional gun violence


Complete text: Michigan State Shooter Had Prior Felony Gun Charge Dismissed By Progressive Prosecutor (freebeacon.com)


You're looking for someone else to blame...Well there you have it.

Do you want to prosecute her?

 

[middleview]

I gave it to you.

We must begin by addressing human behavior. It is a process.

By doing what? Prayer?

 

[Zam-Zam]

By doing what? Prayer?

We know what doesn't work:

Between Jan. 1, 2018, and June 30, 2022, at least 1,274 people were shot in Denver as gun violence escalated year over year, Denver police data collected by The Post shows. Of those victims, 287 died and 987 were wounded. Denver was one of many major cities that saw violence skyrocket in 2020 and 2021 to highs not seen in years.

www.denverpost.com/2022/08/12/denver-gun-violence-shootings/



You want a one-size-fits-all solution. There isn't one.

You have to examine the reason behind the shootings, and there are more than one. You have to deal with the people issues.

What we have done in the past has failed. Why would anyone advocate for more of the same?

 

[middleview]

We know what doesn't work:

Between Jan. 1, 2018, and June 30, 2022, at least 1,274 people were shot in Denver as gun violence escalated year over year, Denver police data collected by The Post shows. Of those victims, 287 died and 987 were wounded. Denver was one of many major cities that saw violence skyrocket in 2020 and 2021 to highs not seen in years.

www.denverpost.com/2022/08/12/denver-gun-violence-shootings/



You want a one-size-fits-all solution. There isn't one.

You have to examine the reason behind the shootings, and there are more than one. You have to deal with the people issues.

What we have done in the past has failed. Why would anyone advocate for more of the same?

You presume to know what might have been. You don't.

Look...the fact is that universal background checks do not remove guns already in circulation.

In 2021 there were 9,717 denials and 3,367 arrests for outstanding warrants. In addition, 2,247 denials were because the applicant was a fugitive. Would those people getting a gun be preferable?

I think there are changes to the current law that should be made. We currently do not expend much effort to find a seller where the background check rule was violated.

There is no perfect solution. You offer up a vague idea of somehow improving human nature. Be specific. What steps would you take to do that?

 

[Alinvegas]

So once again we see some mentally ill individual who should not have been able to buy a gun, but did. There is no requirement in Michigan for Universal Background checks.

They do have a registration requirement, but that appears pretty useless in that a private seller can easily ignore it. It again points to the need for a federal set of laws, not state laws. This gun may have been purchased out of state. No record in the Michigan database. The gun may have been stolen....no record of a theft is required. Even if they do track it back to the last registered owner....the trail will quickly go cold.

This isn't rocket science.

If some bleeding heart liberal prosecutor didn't let him off with a slap on the wrist last time, he would not have been allowed to purchase a gut.

 

[PhilFish]

If some bleeding heart liberal prosecutor didn't let him off with a slap on the wrist last time, he would not have been allowed to purchase a gut.

it seems that prosecutor was required to adhere to reduced sentencing guidelines as legislated by michigan republican and democrat state representatives..

sigh. so much for that, huh?

Michigan House Republicans look to reduce penalties for gun license violations

Gun rights supporters in the Michigan House are working to decriminalize certain firearm-related offenses as part of a larger effort to roll back regulations on gun ownership and use in the state.

www.mlive.com

 

[middleview]

This:

Michigan State Shooter Had Prior Felony Gun Charge Dismissed By Progressive Prosecutor

Ingham County prosecutor Carol Siemon ended mandatory sentencing for felony firearm charges in the name of ‘race equity'


A gunman who killed three and wounded five others at Michigan State University on Monday would have been barred from owning a firearm at the time of the shooting had he not had felony gun charges dismissed by a progressive prosecutor.

Anthony McRae was charged in June 2019 with illegally carrying a concealed handgun without a permit, but later had those charges dismissed by the office of Ingham County district attorney Carol Siemon (D.). Her office instead let McRae plead guilty to a lesser misdemeanor gun charge, and he served a little more than a year on probation, which ended May 2021. He initially faced up to five years in prison for the felony charge, the Detroit News reported.

Siemon retired from the district attorney’s office at the start of this year after facing criticism from judges and law enforcement officials for her soft-on-crime policies. The same year that McRae was released, Ingham County sheriff Scott Wriggelsworth pushed East Lansing’s city council "to reconsider her internal felony firearm charging policy," which he said "does not hold people properly criminally accountable, and increases the likelihood of additional gun violence


Complete text: Michigan State Shooter Had Prior Felony Gun Charge Dismissed By Progressive Prosecutor (freebeacon.com)


You're looking for someone else to blame...Well there you have it.

Do you want to prosecute her?

Prosecute her? For what crime? She should not be elected to a public office again.
Every time a prosecutor does a plea bargain, like this, they certainly do set up another crime.

 

[Zam-Zam]

Prosecute her? For what crime? She should not be elected to a public office again.
Every time a prosecutor does a plea bargain, like this, they certainly do set up another crime.

You were looking for a scapegoat She's the one who enabled a felon having a firearm.

Now, you approve?

Of course you do. Party over principle.

 

[middleview]

You were looking for a scapegoat She's the one who enabled a felon having a firearm.

Now, you approve?

Of course you do. Party over principle.

So that is somehow the same as selling him a gun? There is no law against plea bargains. If you wish to change that law, start a different thread.

There is a law, at least in Colorado, that to sell a gun a background check is required. At present the odds of prosecution for selling the gun are slender.

Would it make sense to publicize that we will no longer prosecute people for running stop signs?

 

[Zam-Zam]

So that is somehow the same as selling him a gun? There is no law against plea bargains. If you wish to change that law, start a different thread.

There is a law, at least in Colorado, that to sell a gun a background check is required. At present the odds of prosecution for selling the gun are slender.

Would it make sense to publicize that we will no longer prosecute people for running stop signs?

When you stand on principle, you do not have to rationalize.

Since you place party over principle, you must.

The person who allowed the felon to possess a firearm is a member of your party - so you employ twisted logic to make it acceptable.

Your loss.

 

[middleview]

When you stand on principle, you do not have to rationalize.

Since you place party over principle, you must.

The person who allowed the felon to possess a firearm is a member of your party - so you employ twisted logic to make it acceptable.

Your loss.

Funny that you don't see your own logic as twisted. His own lawyers enabled the plea bargain. Should we also prosecute them? The judge?

 

[Zam-Zam]

Funny that you don't see your own logic as twisted. His own lawyers enabled the plea bargain. Should we also prosecute them? The judge?

Read the article.

Then decide if you think the prosecutor did the right thing.

Try honesty.

 

[middleview]

Read the article.

Then decide if you think the prosecutor did the right thing.

Try honesty.

I do not. Still don't see a prosecution in her future.

 

[Zam-Zam]

I do not. Still don't see a prosecution in her future.

So, if the people's advocate 8the prosecutor) declares that it is okay for a convicted felon to possess a firearm, you approve.

Is that correct?

 

[middleview]

So, if the people's advocate 8the prosecutor) declares that it is okay for a convicted felon to possess a firearm, you approve.

Is that correct?

Nope

 

[Zam-Zam]

Nope

Do you want the person who allowed a felon to possess a firearm to be held accountable in any way?

 

[middleview]

Do you want the person who allowed a felon to possess a firearm to be held accountable in any way?

And where do you draw the line? You want to pass a law that would prevent a plea bargain from a felony down to a misdemeanor? What about the defense lawyer who participates in such a plea bargain? If the guy then takes a cab to buy a gun, should we arrest the cab driver?

You are talking about opening a bucket of worms here...

 

[Zam-Zam]

And where do you draw the line? You want to pass a law that would prevent a plea bargain from a felony down to a misdemeanor? What about the defense lawyer who participates in such a plea bargain? If the guy then takes a cab to buy a gun, should we arrest the cab driver?

You are talking about opening a bucket of worms here...

Here a law already exists that would make it illegal for a felon to possess a firearm. The people's advocate, the prosecutor, chose to ignore it.

It seems the law doesn't matter much, if even a prosecutor ignores it.

It seems utterly useless, no?