Zimmerman/ Martin

[Jen]

The media and especially the politicians made this whole thing a racial bomb going off.
Testimony shows that it does not rise to the level of Second Degree murder
It was a horrible case of self defense.

However, since the politicians, joined by left-wing media had already convicted Zimmerman before the trial began and revved up anyone in the nation who wants to "prove" that black people are hunted down like rabid dogs and killed"........ this became a racist proving ground. Why?

So I am sure that if the jury is brave enough to follow the evidence and find Zimmerman not guilty...........there will be trouble. And who do we have to blame? That's easy. The politicians who convicted Zimmerman without any trial and the media that put it out there. The same politicians and media that ignore the black on black and even brown on black violent deaths that happen every single day in Detroit, Chicago, Los Angeles, NYC and in other cities around our country. Why?

Fredericka Wilson

Congressman with Hoodie

Trayvon executed for walking while black

It is obvious that someone in this country wants/ needs for the races to be at each others' throats. Who do you think it is? Why do you think it's so?
Why would our elected lawmakers do this?
I find it frightening that anyone, especially our elected lawmakers, would sabotage our laws like that. Were they caught up in the emotion of the moment? Or are they really delusional and feeling that the country needs the riots that they set up for happening?

I am hoping for mature discussion here. I know some of you disagree with what I've said.............tell me why and remember it's not about me. Thanks.

 

[Barbella]

It is obvious that someone in this country wants/ needs for the races to be at each others' throats. Who do you think it is? Why do you think it's so?
Why would our elected lawmakers do this?

Somehow, Jen, it must be to their advantage....I haven't figured out HOW yet, but it's there, that's for sure......

 

[marvin martian]

There's an entire industry that is based on making people feel like victims, and keeping them poor, all for the financial and political gain of a small group of leftist agitators whose political and monetary success depends on dividing and alienating other people. The "progressive" Democrats created it, and, in cahoots with the media, they have effectively enslaved large groups of people through the destruction of the nuclear family, dependence on government social welfare, media manipulation and all other manner of lies.

If Zimmerman is righteously acquitted, as it seems will be the case, you can virtually guarantee that the media is going to essentially headline it as "Murderer of the son Obama never had walks!" and they will get exactly the racial discord, violence, division and hatred they want and which we all know will happen if that occurs.

I think it's a disgrace...

 

[Jen]

Somehow, Jen, it must be to their advantage....I haven't figured out HOW yet, but it's there, that's for sure......

Could responses like that that are in opposition to the very root of our justice system "innocent until proven guilty" have been accidental? Were those people ignorant of the very thought of innocent until proven guilty when they uttered those provoking lines?
Did we elect the ignorant?

If not....................... then they did it on purpose to provoke violence. And I haven't figured out why either.

 

[Jen]

There's an entire industry that is based on making people feel like victims, and keeping them poor, all for the financial and political gain of a small group of leftist agitators whose political and monetary success depends on dividing and alienating other people. The "progressive" Democrats created it, and, in cahoots with the media, they have effectively enslaved large groups of people through the destruction of the nuclear family, dependence on government social welfare, media manipulation and all other manner of lies.

If Zimmerman is righteously acquitted, as it seems will be the case, you can virtually guarantee that the media is going to essentially headline it as "Murderer of the son Obama never had walks!" and they will get exactly the racial discord, violence, division and hatred they want and which we all know will happen if that occurs.

I think it's a disgrace...

Maybe it's violence they wanted all along. I find it reprehensible and utterly disgusting.

 

[Barbella]

Could responses like that that are in opposition to the very root of our justice system "innocent until proven guilty" have been accidental? Were those people ignorant of the very thought of innocent until proven guilty when they uttered those provoking lines?
Did we elect the ignorant?

If not....................... then they did it on purpose to provoke violence. And I haven't figured out why either.

I doubt it was ignorance.....there IS a purpose behind all this race mongering....

UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL....and our "leaders" would rather see us fall before them......

 

[fairsheet]

I never really saw this one as being specifically about Zimmy or Martin. So, the issue of Zimmy's being whitish VS. Martin's being black, was never the crux.

I always been more interested in the fact of Sanford law enforcement not bringing any charges whatsoever against Zimmy, after what everyone agrees was a most cursory review. The fact of the victim's being black, can't be dismissed out of hand.

I have no idea whether Zimmy is guilty of the alleged crimes or he isn't. On the other hand, I'd not be the least bit surprised if the jury isn't overwhelmed by the prosecution and finds him not guilty.

If they do though, it won't excuse the local law enforcement, since at the time, theyonly knew 5% of what we know now.

 

[Jen]

I never really saw this one as being specifically about Zimmy or Martin. So, the issue of Zimmy's being whitish VS. Martin's being black, was never the crux.

I always been more interested in the fact of Sanford law enforcement not bringing any charges whatsoever against Zimmy, after what everyone agrees was a most cursory review. The fact of the victim's being black, can't be dismissed out of hand.

I have no idea whether Zimmy is guilty of the alleged crimes or he isn't. On the other hand, I'd not be the least bit surprised if the jury isn't overwhelmed by the prosecution and finds him not guilty.

If they do though, it won't excuse the local law enforcement, since at the time, theyonly knew 5% of what we know now.

It also doesn't excuse the people in our Congress who paraded around and screeched about Zimmerman's guilt before there was even a trial. Race deserved a rightful place in it............ and it should have been questioned and discovered whether or not Zimmerman did anything that he did with racial motives. But to put race into the whole thing in such a way that black people across the nation will feel they've been cheated if Zimmerman is not found guilty was an utterly reprehensible thing for anyone to do. Yet, they did it anyway.

If those people I linked have any ANY integrity at all, they should stand up publicly and apologize for what they did before a trial was conducted and before they knew the facts. Everyone makes mistakes and they should be forgiven. But not to stand up and say something before violence erupts puts the blood of any violence directly on their shoulders. They will be the cause of whatever violence comes from this.

 

[fairsheet]

It also doesn't excuse the people in our Congress who paraded around and screeched about Zimmerman's guilt before there was even a trial. Race deserved a rightful place in it............ and it should have been questioned and discovered whether or not Zimmerman did anything that he did with racial motives. But to put race into the whole thing in such a way that black people across the nation will feel they've been cheated if Zimmerman is not found guilty was an utterly reprehensible thing for anyone to do. Yet, they did it anyway.

If those people I linked have any ANY integrity at all, they should stand up publicly and apologize for what they did before a trial was conducted and before they knew the facts. Everyone makes mistakes and they should be forgiven. But not to stand up and say something before violence erupts puts the blood of any violence directly on their shoulders. They will be the cause of whatever violence comes from this.

The baldfaced lie that any Congressperson worth a shit, paraded around screeching about Zimmy's guilt, doesn't get any truer with the retelling.

And...your whine is especially odd in the context of all the parading around and guilt-screeching the Issa/GOP's been doing of late!

 

[Jen]

The baldfaced lie that any Congressperson worth a shit, paraded around screeching about Zimmy's guilt, doesn't get any truer with the retelling.

And...your whine is especially odd in the context of all the parading around and guilt-screeching the Issa/GOP's been doing of late!

So let me get this straight. I am not allowed to say (with links to prove what I am saying) that someone paraded around and screeched about Zimmerman's guilt unless I also add in an irrelevant part about someone you hate behaving badly? Really? Is that your criteria for my being able to state what is true? And exactly what part of what I said was a "baldfaced lie"? [oh, and just listen to Fredericka and tell me she's not 'screeching']

 

[NinaS]

So let me get this straight. I am not allowed to say (with links to prove what I am saying) that someone paraded around and screeched about Zimmerman's guilt unless I also add in an irrelevant part about someone you hate behaving badly? Really? Is that your criteria for my being able to state what is true? And exactly what part of what I said was a "baldfaced lie"? [oh, and just listen to Fredericka and tell me she's not 'screeching']

Considering you poked fun of others who posted about this case from the get-go and NOW come in to state YOUR case...that Zimmerman is guilty of all charges, evidently, you may well be "allowed" just like we were, but it's highly hypocritical of you as well, especially giving out "likes" and cozying up to someone who came in here and tossed you under the bus.

 

[Jen]

Considering you poked fun of others who posted about this case from the get-go and NOW come in to state YOUR case...that Zimmerman is guilty of all charges, evidently, you may well be "allowed" just like we were, but it's highly hypocritical of you as well, especially giving out "likes" and cozying up to someone who came in here and tossed you under the bus.

Yes .........it is SO hypocritical to say I didn't want to make this into a circus and still have an opinion when it's over with. HUH? C'mon Nina.

And you just can't understand how two people who had differences in opinion and insulted each other at some point in time could actually be mature enough to "like" each other's posts? I believe I've given you "likes", Nina. And I am certainly not cozying up to you. If I like your post you'll get a "like" just like anyone else here. There is not one single person here that I feel compelled to cozy up to for any reason. Not one. I have no need to do that. Thank goodness.

 

[PhilFish]

The media and especially the politicians made this whole thing a racial bomb going off.
Testimony shows that it does not rise to the level of Second Degree murder
It was a horrible case of self defense.

However, since the politicians, joined by left-wing media had already convicted Zimmerman before the trial began and revved up anyone in the nation who wants to "prove" that black people are hunted down like rabid dogs and killed"........ this became a racist proving ground. Why?

So I am sure that if the jury is brave enough to follow the evidence and find Zimmerman not guilty...........there will be trouble. And who do we have to blame? That's easy. The politicians who convicted Zimmerman without any trial and the media that put it out there. The same politicians and media that ignore the black on black and even brown on black violent deaths that happen every single day in Detroit, Chicago, Los Angeles, NYC and in other cities around our country. Why?

Fredericka Wilson

Congressman with Hoodie

Trayvon executed for walking while black

It is obvious that someone in this country wants/ needs for the races to be at each others' throats. Who do you think it is? Why do you think it's so?
Why would our elected lawmakers do this?
I find it frightening that anyone, especially our elected lawmakers, would sabotage our laws like that. Were they caught up in the emotion of the moment? Or are they really delusional and feeling that the country needs the riots that they set up for happening?

I am hoping for mature discussion here. I know some of you disagree with what I've said.............tell me why and remember it's not about me. Thanks.

If a not guilty verdict comes. First the jury will be castigated. Then those who feel NG is the correct objective conclusion will be castigated. Then the race baiters and fomenters will arise.

 

[PhilFish]

So let me get this straight. I am not allowed to say (with links to prove what I am saying) that someone paraded around and screeched about Zimmerman's guilt unless I also add in an irrelevant part about someone you hate behaving badly? Really? Is that your criteria for my being able to state what is true? And exactly what part of what I said was a "baldfaced lie"? [oh, and just listen to Fredericka and tell me she's not 'screeching']

In all fairness...he does state..congressperson 'worth a shit'. which, is arguably the correct cast...

 

[Minotaur]

I think it just gets down to why the Sanford police department let this slip under the rug until it was an issue. Trayvon's mom and dad are like the parents of the child who had a double lung transplant in that both did all they could to bring attention to the child they each love.

The people responded to both. You may not like it that Congressional folks speak up about the death of a teenager or a potential death of a pre-teen but they did for both. If parents don't shout their outrage, no one does. I never saw this as a race issue but simply a miscarriage of justice. Nothing is new under the sun. I give credit to each set of parents doing every thing they can to draw attention to their loved ones. I may not like that the road to get there is messy but I appreciate their strength and love.

 

[NinaS]

Considering you poked fun of others who posted about this case from the get-go and NOW come in to state YOUR case...that Zimmerman is guilty of all charges, evidently, you may well be "allowed" just like we were, but it's highly hypocritical of you as well, especially giving out "likes" and cozying up to someone who came in here and tossed you under the bus.[/qu

Considering you poked fun of others who posted about this case from the get-go and NOW come in to state YOUR case...that Zimmerman is guilty of all charges, evidently, you may well be "allowed" just like we were, but it's highly hypocritical of you as well, especially giving out "likes" and cozying up to someone who came in here and tossed you under the bus.

Some people SCREECH. Have you ever heard Sarah Palin talk without screeching...whether she's talking about her "rack" or Paul Revere warning the British. or someone dissing her wayward kids.

 

[EatTheRich]

OK, first of all, in a self-defense case, the burden of proof is on the defendant, who thus is no longer "innocent until proven guilty" but just the opposite. Zimmerman admitted killing Martin, and now it is up to his defense team to prove that that killing was justified.

Second of all, there is voluminous testimony to the effect that Zimmerman's various contradictory accounts of the event are all huge steaming piles of horse shit. That this is the case has been apparent from the beginning to all but those who are willfully blind to what happened.

I don't think it's at all irresponsible for members of Congress to object when an unarmed child who is doing nothing illegal is hunted down and executed by an armed adult with a history of aggression, who was advised by law enforcement not to engage the child, but did so anyway, violating the policy of his own organization in the process ... and no charges are brought.

 

[PhilFish]

OK, first of all, in a self-defense case, the burden of proof is on the defendant, who thus is no longer "innocent until proven guilty" but just the opposite. Zimmerman admitted killing Martin, and now it is up to his defense team to prove that that killing was justified.

Second of all, there is voluminous testimony to the effect that Zimmerman's various contradictory accounts of the event are all huge steaming piles of horse shit. That this is the case has been apparent from the beginning to all but those who are willfully blind to what happened.

I don't think it's at all irresponsible for members of Congress to object when an unarmed child who is doing nothing illegal is hunted down and executed by an armed adult with a history of aggression, who was advised by law enforcement not to engage the child, but did so anyway, violating the policy of his own organization in the process ... and no charges are brought.

Baloney. Taken as a whole, Z's account, and the accounts as taken by varied law enforcement persons ..are consistent. That's a fact. So much so that the police released him initially.

The question....is did his legal team meet the self defense standard and convince a jury of that...vs man2.

 

[Jen]

In all fairness...he does state..congressperson 'worth a shit'. which, is arguably the correct cast...

I agree with that part of his statement so I left it alone.

 

[Jen]

I think it just gets down to why the Sanford police department let this slip under the rug until it was an issue. Trayvon's mom and dad are like the parents of the child who had a double lung transplant in that both did all they could to bring attention to the child they each love.

The people responded to both. You may not like it that Congressional folks speak up about the death of a teenager or a potential death of a pre-teen but they did for both. If parents don't shout their outrage, no one does. I never saw this as a race issue but simply a miscarriage of justice. Nothing is new under the sun. I give credit to each set of parents doing every thing they can to draw attention to their loved ones. I may not like that the road to get there is messy but I appreciate their strength and love.

Speaking up is one thing. Saying things that are obviously baiting and untrue is quite another. The parents of Trayvon were respectful and classy. Fredericka Wilson was quite the opposite and should have been an embarrassment to all on her side of the aisle.

My post did not disparage the parents in any way. I spoke specifically of the media and of the three embarrassing Congress people who stood there and lied to incite violence.