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Discussion in 'Latest Political News and Current Events' started by Queen Titania, Oct 19, 2019.

  1. Queen Titania

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    I am still smiling --- thank God for Boris.

    OK so today, Saturday, the House sat to discuss the 'new deal' that Boris has negotiated with Brussels and then vote on it. The House has only ever sat on a Saturday before in times of war. Serious sh'it!

    Our political set up is different to yours in many ways including that the executive comes out of the legislature. The Speaker of the House is very powerful and is, by convention, supposed to be neutral. The Order paper - order of discussion in the House - is the Gov's prerogative by convention.

    Because there cannot be a 'hard border' on the only land border between the UK and the EU ( Good Friday Agreement) in Ireland May's deal had trapped the whole of the UK under EU laws until the EU decided we could go. Her deal was voted down by Parliament twice. May left No 10 and Boris stepped in. The EU had said they would not negotiate further. Boris said 'OK then we shall leave under WTO on the 31st Oct 2019' - exit day by Art 50. The EU opened up the negotiations again. Meanwhile back in Parliament the Speaker gave the Order Paper to the opposition who drafted and passed a law ( in 1 day!) forcing Boris to beg the EU for an extension if a new deal had not been found and approved by the EU and Parliament by 19th Oct 2019. An agreement between Gov and the EU was found - it isn't perfect, by any means, but it is a beginning to a Brexit end with no hard border in Ireland - It is over 60 pages long so i shan't bore you with it.

    The new deal was put before the house today --- BUT yesterday an amendment to the deal, drafted by Oliver 'poll tax' Letwin ( spit spit) was allowed by the Speaker --- the amendment demands that Boris beg for an extension even if the Bill/deal is approved by Parliament. Parliament decided on the amendment first and being a Remoaner Parliament voted for it --- making the vote on Boris's deal void.

    The Gov after a courteous few words from Boris, just got up and walked out saying 'leave them too it' - loooooooooool Bercow's ( Speaker) face was a picture - he was flummoxed! The Leader of the House ( Mogg) said, in a short point of order, that the Gov would bring this back to the House on Monday ( well a part of it ) - and soon after that he also walked out. Bercow was dumbfounded! looooooooooool For the next 1 1/2 hours the Remoaner's whined --- until a very very learned MP stood up and said that 'it used to be perfectly normal that the Gov set out the next days discussion the day before'. Bercow was put in is place --- he is a bully who as trampled all over our constitution and Parliamentary conventions and think's he is god!

    Remoaners and Bercow have been going back and forth to Brussels begging them not to deal with Boris.

    This is the best game of Chess ever played out in Parliament - Boris's move ;)
     
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  2. The Thinker

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    Thanks for boiling it down for us. I had read a deal was made, but remained skeptical. I'm a little more hopeful that the will of the people be honored now.
     
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  3. Queen Titania

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    I don't like the deal but it is a start.

    I shan't to into them all because they are all quite complex --- as in; need to much explanation --- but there are ways around the Benn ( Surrender) Act which demands Boris send a drafted letter to the EU asking for an extension - mainly that EU law ( Art 50) is supreme, not UK law, in this matter. Plus many voices in the EU, including Macron and Junker, have said we wouldn't get it anyway.

    Sadly though we are so integrated into the EU after 50 years we are a mess. Not one thing or the other and most have forgotten what we had - our old internal structures I mean..

    If Boris does not have to send the letter are the Remoaners, by rejecting the deal, pushing us into a no-deal Brexit though?

    He is funny though --- saved us all from mass suicide ;)
     
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    Background to the insane state of affairs: When there was a coalition Gov - Con and Libdems - neither party trusted the other not to call an election when they were more popular so Oliver 'poll tax' Letwin drafted and the House passed a bill = the 'Fixed Term Act' which means that a Gov must stay in Gov for five years unless certain criteria are met - like the whole of Parliament agreeing to a GE.

    Boris has asked 2-3-4 times for a GE the House have refused him - refused also to call for a vote of no confidence ( which would trigger a GE) SO he is forced to Govern with a minority Brexit Gov. Most of Parliament and the Speaker are Remoaners; a most gastly bunch of spitting things you would not want to meet alone on a dark night.

    The Letwin amendment being passed today means that Boris had to comply with the Benn ( Surrender) Act and send the letter drafted by 'Benn' ( whose Pa, Tony Benn, hated the EU and will be turning in his grave) asking for an extension if the EU and Gov and Parliament had not agreed a deal by the 19th Oct 2019.

    Boris sent the letter unsigned by him ; because it isn't from him but Parliament -and told the EU so and that he did not think further delay beneficial to the EU or the UK. Tusk has said he wants to see what Parliament votes next week - But I think the EU will delay their decision and or refuse an extension --- the whole thing is too flawed - in UK and EU and International law - even for the EU.

    Everyone wants an election to get these traitors OUT of our Parliament - those who voted Remain too - but they refuse to budge.
     
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  7. Queen Titania

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    I don't think it is cute - people who read the Guardian, I mean - not cute! One should keep well away from them poppet, it is a nasty disease which could be catching - becareful.
     
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    For the same reason Russia helped Trump get elected.....to help Putin undermine western democracies.
     
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  10. Queen Titania

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    Oh God help us all!

    Wrong Julie - wrong. We are fighting for our independence from a monsterous, greedy, cruel, bureaucratic Empire which rules over us from another land - has plundered and pillaged and destroyed all that was good in our unique systems of being.

    I mean really! Here we are trying to scrabble our way out of the impossible and all you can emit is a 1960s war cry!
     
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    God! Anything that is not about Trump is off the page in an instant - or made to be about Trump!

    I give up!
     
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    It is this Trump infection that is going around Dawg - an epidemic me thinks - almost as bad as the Russian bug
     
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    Y'all want to overfish the Atlantic and the EU doesn't allow overfishing.
     
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    Pogue Mahone Legalize it.

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    If you ask a leftist or a globalist they would say you voted to leave because you are racist and therefore your will should not be honored because racists have no rights in the New World Order.
     
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  16. Queen Titania

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    Wrong. We want to fish our own island waters which the EU does not allow us to do. Though every huge Netherlands or Spanish trawler can!

    There is one just anchored down the road --- my God it is like the Queen Mary - it is massive. We won't have any fish in our waters soon 'cos of the EU.

    Not that I eat fish myself.
     
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    Especially when they are indigenous white people! No rights at all!

    When Brown ( PM after Blair) was asked by the UN if there were any native peoples in the UK he said - yes in Scotland ( he is a Scot) Wales and Cornwall - I think he said yes to Ireland too - when asked about the English he said NO! There are none - which isn't quite true.
     
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    They voted to leave the EU because they want to self-harm.
     
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    Where was I?

    Everyday a new twist.

    Boris sent the 'surrender' letter with two others - one explaining the legal questions and one from Boris saying he/Gov do not want the extension etc.


    Boris put the withdrawal bill before the House for approval - 1st stage of the journey for an Act of Parliament - then he put forward the time table in order to get the bill through both Houses before 31st Oct 2019 ( Brexit day).

    The House approved the bill by a majority of 30 - then refused the timetable - Boris pulled the bill. It is now in limbo -



    He tried to bring it back on the Monday - Bercow refused to let it be heard - have I got that the right way around? - Ummmmm dunno now. Anyway yes the bill is in limbo. It was pulled because Parliament will want to amend it, an international treaty, right back to Remain. Saying that they have no time to scrutinize it - which is a lie - but for 100 pages they have had a year to scrutinize it. DUP were ok with the bill but are now being pressurized at home, over bs, so are now also in limbo :)

    The EU Council are thinking about Parliaments request for an extension. Whilst we are waiting Boris has said that on Monday, coming, he will ask Parliament again for a GE on the 12th Dec 2019. So far Corbyn is saying no and telling Labour MPs to abstain. Parliament has to give a 2/3 Aye vote for there to be a GE under Camerons terrible Fixed Term Act.

    Macron is holding out - the Council want to give a 3mth extension Macron says no more than a couple of weeks - ( of course he wants access to our fishing waters and our car manufacturing) - but he is holding out. They are all putting pressure on Corbyn who isn't budging -

    And so the circus continues ----

    hey ho :)
     

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